base talk Taylor Swift's rival in commercial success is only The Beatles, agree?

[Johnny Jacobs]

Another taylor Beatles success thread

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Johnny Jacobs

[FailSafe]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said:

Another taylor Beatles success thread

 

They world didn't rename "Swifties" to "Taylormaniacs" for nothing

 

[bluebirdsforever]

I am again confused why the question of commercial success always comes back to "but she has no impact" and "her music is (subjectively) not as good."

 

Those are different questions - if you want to ask those questions, make a thread and debate them sincerely. But "if she took more risks she wouldn't be as succes-" is a dishonest statement to make, because it implies that a lot of those culture-shifters were always taking genuine commercial risks when they switched it up when in reality those switch-ups directly fed into their hype - in the same way that Taylor shifting stylistically (and visually) has directly fed into hers.

 

it feels to me as if the goalpost has to constantly change in order to falsify plausible deniability of the cold hard facts: 'Taylor is massively successful, and I don't like it / don't think that success is deserved.' Just say that.

[FailSafe]

9 minutes ago, qegqeg said:

Ain’t y’all tired 

Swifties? No. OTH? They are definitely in for at least another DECADE  of Taylor's nonstop slaying

 

[WildHeart]

37 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Guinness listed her as the 4th biggest selling female of all times. 

 

The RIAA doesn't have her in the top 3 of biggest albums artists either. Shouldn't she be #1 on both if she were to rival The Beatles who rank as the biggest group literally on all these alltime lists? How can there (still) be other females ahead of Taylor when they never "sold" 15 million units per annual like Taylor currently does?

 

 

Guinness list is only pure sales and she is undercertified in the US since she sold almost 83M units as of now

 

39 minutes ago, stevyy said:

But they always say that she has 8 charting albums simultaneously in Germany... however, why does she not have a #1 song or just 6 top 10 hits? I believe that she also never had a #1 song in France. 

Is a #1 hit more impressive than charting 8 different albums? 

 

Is Sam charting Unholy or Doja charting PTTR at #1 is more impressive than Taylor charting 8 albums in the US weekly for example? 

 

48 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

People discredit (imho rightfully) Taylor because her output pales in comparison to these legendary artists. Easy as that. If you do a 1vs1 regarding her biggest hits compared to the Rihannas, Beyonces, Madonnas, MJs, etc, her discography literally pales.

To you when in reality she has one of the most acclaimed catalogues of all time with 3 AOTYs and multiple decade end and all time best albums 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[RideOrDie]

good morning america. some of you are incredibly stupid, y'all are literally the conspiracy theorists of stan worlds, you know the flat earthers who double down on their outrageous takes no matter the amount of evidence presented to them, some of you literally serve that mindset and i feel bad for the sane sistrens who try for pages to talk some sense into you. you are not special, unique or smarter than everyone else when you try to go against facts and downplay the achievements of the biggest artist on the planet just because you don't really like them. it's serving 4chan incel in the basement jerking their dicks to nonsense conspiracy theories believing they are smarter and better than everyone else because they feel oppressed by society, that's what some of you give when you spend pages trying to dispute real world facts. your subjective and frankly inaccurate opinions and delusions do not matter, you think you cracked some code and you aren't sheep like the rest of us when in fact you are what society leaves behind. seek employment.

Edited November 4, 2023 by RideOrDie

[CaptainMusic]

6 hours ago, Taylena said:

Many music experts and even major publications have said that Taylor has surpassed legends like Madonna or MJ but if user LittleStarmen on ATRL.net says NO then it's a NO.   

Any publications saying that Taylor has surpassed Madonna and especially MJ globally are not to be taken seriously. She is still 70M units behind Madonna and 150M units behind MJ. 
 

There are countries where Taylor only started smashing in the past 2 years, she is still far behind them in most of the world.

[istan4badgalriri]

Rumor has it Taylor is "undercertified" everywhere except on chartmasters

[Hot Volcano]

The way so many Swifties here stan her mostly for commercial success

 

No, Taylor can re-record all of her albums five more times and yet she won't come close to MJ, The Beatles, Elvis or Madonna

[WildHeart]

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Germany

#1 1989 TV

#20 Midnights 

#25 Folklore 

#28 Lover

#35 Speak Now TV

#38 Reputation 

#45 Evermore

#47 1989

#60 Red TV

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Spain (as of last week) 

#22 Midnights 

#43 Evermore 

#53 Speak Now TV

#57 Red TV

#85 Fearless TV

 

(1989, Reputation and Lover went recurrent after charting for 156 weeks) 

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Netherlands

#1 1989 TV

#6 Lover

#10 Midnights 

#17 Folklore 

#32 Reputation 

#41 1989

#51 Red TV

#56 Evermore

#57 Speak Now TV

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Belgium (as of last week) 

#10 Midnights 

#12 1989

#13 Folklore

#18 Lover

#20 Reputation 

#26 Evermore 

#27 Speak Now TV

#37 Red TV

#92 Fearless TV

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Portugal (as of last week) (top30) 

#10 Midnights 

#12 Lover 

#18 Folklore

#19 Speak Now TV

#21 1989 

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Switzerland (as of last week) 

#24 Midnights 

#26 Lover

#31 Reputation 

#32 1989

#43 Folklore

#55 Speak Now TV

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

France

#1 1989 TV

#53 Midnights 

#104 Speak Now

#139 Evermore

#140 Red TV

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Denmark (as of last week) (top 40)

#10 Midnights 

#11 Lover 

#14 1989

#22 Folklore

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Mexico (Spotify) 

#5 1989 TV

#34 Lover

#45 Midnights 

#60 1989

#65 Reputation 

#94 Folklore 

 

7 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Brazil (Spotify) 

#1 1989 TV

#40 Lover

#51 Midnights 

#61 1989

#63 Reputation 

#78 Folklore 

#158 Speak Now TV 

#182 Red TV

 

BONUS 

Philippines (Spotify) 

#1 1989 TV

#2 Lover

#4 Midnights 

#5 Speak Now TV 

#7 Folklore 

#8 1989

#9 Reputation 

#10 Red TV

#11 Fearless TV

 

Indonesia (Spotify) 

#2 1989 TV

#11 Lover

#27 1989

#28 Folklore 

#29 Fearless TV 

#42 Midnights

#71 Red TV 

#84 Speak Now TV

#96 Reputation 

 

Singapore (Spotify) 

#1 1989 TV

#2 Lover

#4 Midnights 

#5 1989

#13 Folklore 

#14 Reputation 

#19 Red TV

#24 Fearless TV

#58 Evermore 

#94 Speak Now 

 

But she is not charting a random 1989 track in the top 20!!! 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Avenger]

6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

#1 1989 TV

#20 Midnights 

#25 Folklore 

#28 Lover

#35 Speak Now TV

#38 Reputation 

#45 Evermore

#47 1989

#60 Red TV

 

#22 Midnights 

#43 Evermore 

#53 Speak Now TV

#57 Red TV

#85 Fearless TV

 

(1989, Reputation and Lover went recurrent after charting for 156 weeks) 

 

#1 1989 TV

#6 Lover

#10 Midnights 

#17 Folklore 

#32 Reputation 

#41 1989

#51 Red TV

#56 Evermore

#57 Speak Now TV

 

#10 Midnights 

#12 1989

#13 Folklore

#18 Lover

#20 Reputation 

#26 Evermore 

#27 Speak Now TV

#37 Red TV

#92 Fearless TV

 

#10 Midnights 

#12 Lover 

#18 Folklore

#19 Speak Now TV

#21 1989 

 

#24 Midnights 

#26 Lover

#31 Reputation 

#32 1989

#43 Folklore

#55 Speak Now TV

 

#1 1989 TV

#53 Midnights 

#104 Speak Now

#139 Evermore

#140 Red TV

 

#10 Midnights 

#11 Lover 

#14 1989

#22 Folklore

 

#5 1989 TV

#34 Lover

#45 Midnights 

#60 1989

#65 Reputation 

#94 Folklore 

 

#1 1989 TV

#40 Lover

#51 Midnights 

#61 1989

#63 Reputation 

#78 Folklore 

#158 Speak Now TV 

#182 Red TV

 

BONUS 

Philippines 

#1 1989 TV

#2 Lover

#4 Midnights 

#5 Speak Now TV 

#7 Folklore 

#8 1989

#9 Reputation 

#10 Red TV

#11 Fearless TV

 

Indonesia 

#2 1989 TV

#11 Lover

#27 1989

#28 Folklore 

#29 Fearless TV 

#42 Midnights

#71 Red TV 

#84 Speak Now TV

#96 Reputation 

 

Singapore 

#1 1989 TV

#2 Lover

#4 Midnights 

#5 1989

#13 Folklore 

#14 Reputation 

#19 Red TV

#24 Fearless TV

#58 Evermore 

#94 Speak Now 

 

But she is not charting a random 1989 track in the top 20!!! 

You really work overtime lmao. 

[WildHeart]

26 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Rumor has it Taylor is "undercertified" everywhere except on chartmasters

and Bilboard/HDD where she officially sold 15M units this year which is reflected as 0 (ZERO) sales for RIAA, makes you wonder... 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Axelios]

46 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Rumor has it Taylor is "undercertified" everywhere except on chartmasters

You don't believe Billboard and IFPI numbers?

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, Avenger said:

You really work overtime lmao. 

all this takes like 5 mins to look it up and CTRL C lol. But that must be "work overtime" for ya.

[PoisonedIvy]

5 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Can you please easily disprove with logic why Swift is N/A on charts worldwide with songs from

her latest album

Taylor Swift as an artist has never been singles driven. It took her four albums to get her first #1 in the US. And yet she’s ALWAYS been moving albums at a rate higher than Beyonce, Gaga, Rihanna, etc. were capable of. You’re misrepresenting Taylor Swift as an artist by asking why her songs aren’t charting high — especially considering this batch of songs are re-recorded tracks from a nearly decade old album. 

 

We are not claiming she’s as big as she is because she gets hit singles — we’re claiming she’s as big as she is because she’s the first artist since the Beatles to factually have her ENTIRE catalogue consumed across a plethora of countries at such a massive scale. This is backed up by both the official album charts of most countries AND the Spotify charts.

 

And if you claim it’s only because of streaming I challenge you with the fact that she is embarking on the largest European stadium tour for a woman in history. 

 

_______

 

LMAO at the person saying Taylor will be forgotten after her peak  She peaked during Fearless and people said that, then she peaked again during 1989 and people said it, what the hell makes you think it’s gonna happen this time around? 17 years is a hell of a lot of staying power and 99.999999% of people in the music industry do not reach NEW heights of this magnitude this far into their career. She’s not going to fall off the face of the earth and be forgotten no matter how badly you want that to be the case. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by PoisonedIvy

[gardendreams]

I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet but the human population has doubled since the 70s. From 4 billion to 8 billion. 

 

I don't know their numbers well enough to compare their success but I feel like literal human inflation should be taken account of

[Erreur2 La Nature]

This website never fails to show its ignorance by comparing pure sales from years ago to streams.

[narid]

This site is getting polluted by these kind of threads, which just keep repeating the same thing in different ways, and the response is always the same. 

[Breathe On Moi]

6 hours ago, Avenger said:

Mess of a thread. 

like what is going on in here

[Feanor]

No, not yet.

 

She certainly is, by far too, the most successful artist to debut in the 21st century and nne of her peers can match her level of success anymore, but some of the 20th century legends still can.

However if Taylor can somehow keep up this insane level for the remainder of the decade, we'd be looking at the most dominant decade by an artist in music history since The Beatles in the 60s, only then would she have really risen high enough to become their only peer.  

[SwiftLover]

Yes. 
 

COPE 

[Finkypop]

3 hours ago, RideOrDie said:

good morning america. some of you are incredibly stupid, y'all are literally the conspiracy theorists of stan worlds, you know the flat earthers who double down on their outrageous takes no matter the amount of evidence presented to them, some of you literally serve that mindset and i feel bad for the sane sistrens who try for pages to talk some sense into you. you are not special, unique or smarter than everyone else when you try to go against facts and downplay the achievements of the biggest artist on the planet just because you don't really like them. it's serving 4chan incel in the basement jerking their dicks to nonsense conspiracy theories believing they are smarter and better than everyone else because they feel oppressed by society, that's what some of you give when you spend pages trying to dispute real world facts. your subjective and frankly inaccurate opinions and delusions do not matter, you think you cracked some code and you aren't sheep like the rest of us when in fact you are what society leaves behind. seek employment.

 Drag them lmaooo

[Arrows]

Lmao

 

1. MJ

2. Beatles

3. Elvis

4. Madonna

5. Taylor

 

Everyone happy now?

[Eternium]

11 hours ago, taylorrrr said:

Good, where's the evidence? Or have you not touched grass for the past 10 years that you became delusional and came up with that in your brain? 

Taylor’s sales in the U.S.:

1989 - 6,400,000 (5 hits, 1 underperformance, 1 flop)

Reputation - 2,415,000 (2 hits, 2 underperformances, 1 flop)

Lover - 1,710,000 (3 hits, 1 flop)

folklore (deluxe) (the long pond studio sessions) - 2,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Evermore (deluxe) - 1,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Midnights (Deluxe) (3 AM Edition) (Til Dawn) (Late Night) - 2,465,000 (1 hit, 2 underperformances)

 

The sales have been significantly worse despite being bolstered by constant re-releases and editions and she’s scoring fewer hits. It’s clear she’s using the same tactics that artists like Drake are to boost their streaming stats. 

11 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

I remember back in 2022 a while after Taylor had released Folklore and Evermore she had 44 million monthly listeners and Gaga - who had just released Hold My Hand - had 41 million monthly listeners 

It’s funny because the Taylor stans used to be so united against payola and fraudulent Spotify streams, but now if you mention anyone defrauding streaming, they go psycho. I posted about Drake getting caught on both Spotify and YouTube for payola with “Life Is Good” and the entire fanbase had a meltdown  

10 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Can you post her streams from 2016-2019, when she actually scored hits, and compare them to 2020-2023? 

 

While you’re at it, would you post the records for largest drops on US radio to prove Taylor Swift would never use payola?  

[Axelios]

Just now, Eternium said:

Taylor’s sales in the U.S.:

1989 - 6,400,000 (5 hits, 1 underperformance, 1 flop)

Reputation - 2,415,000 (2 hits, 2 underperformances, 1 flop)

Lover - 1,710,000 (3 hits, 1 flop)

folklore (deluxe) (the long pond studio sessions) - 2,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Evermore (deluxe) - 1,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Midnights (Deluxe) (3 AM Edition) (Til Dawn) (Late Night) - 2,465,000 (1 hit, 2 underperformances)

You are so delusional it's insane