discussion you listen to too much music

[Contessa]

 

summary: he argues that listening to music while doing other tasks (work, eating, commute, etc.) can distract us and prevent us from being present during those tasks, hindering our ability to cognitively and emotionally experiencing those parts of life to the fullest. he argues that instead we should treat listening to music as a task itself, taking time during the day to fully experience the music you intend to enjoy.

 

atrl, do you agree? is the overconsumption (im looking at your last.fm scrobbles) of music detrimental to your mental health? does this overindulgence in music create the toxic stan culture we all seem to want to get away from? if so, maybe listening to less music (and being more present in life's fleeting moments) could help you overcome the stan mentality that is haunting you...

 

discuss!

 

 

Spoiler

also he's a snack 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Contessa

[WokeEqualist]

The world is literally rotting before our eyes, music makes life more bearable for many  if that's wrong then I don't wanna be right 

[Revolution]

there is too much music and too little time during the day 

[Devin]

no SOCIAL MEDIA is what distract/prevent us from being present, hindering our ability to cognitively and emotionally experiencing parts of life to the fullest

 

prob wouldn’t made this far in life w/o music 

[perpetual novice]

same garbage as people who constantly complain about phones over books. if you spend so much time figuring out how to live life to the fullest then you’re not enjoying life. Do what you want.

[SLUTTVFTV]

I listen to music whenever I get the chance too, it's like a soundtrack to my life! It makes the boring moments seem less boring, and it helps me get through ****. It's my lifeline, honestly. 

[mystery]

**** that, I enjoy music so much and it adds a lot to life. It should not be relegated to some "task" that you have to devote yourself to. The argument that it also distracts you from the things you are doing is also quite strange considering a ton of people use music to help them focus. I personally find it inspiring, instrumental music and soundtracks especially allow me to let my creative juices flow and lead to new ideas.

I find these videos that try to offer some groundbreaking insight on topics that are very much a matter of personal opinion and preference so dumb. Just because something works for that person doesn't mean it will work for another. It gives "I'm 14 and this is deep".

Life is too short to restrict yourself from things that make you happy just because someone else told you it is wrong and that you should feel guilty for doing it.

Edited November 1, 2023 by mystery

[Big Bad Wolf]

I agree. As a Lana stan, this is something I've always practiced, as her music requires you to pay attention to detail  Love stanning raw talent

[suburbannature]

As a mental health professional, I can confirm that he is incorrect. 

 

Conversely, it's one of the most common coping mechanisms and is vital for many people in maintaining their mental health. 

[Alldeezy]

I listen to music 24/7

 

 

Past 4 weeks

[Sheep]

I guess we should remove scores from movies and video games too since it takes us out of the moment 

[Bosque]

He made some points. Anyone who has ever listened with complete focus to a complex piece of music (the latest pop radio #1 probably doesn’t count) could know that. Idk why some people here are acting like he’s trying you to ban you from listening to music altogether. In general people are way too comfortable multi tasking, which is scientifically proven to result in less than the sum of its parts

[suburbannature]

4 minutes ago, Dephira said:

He made some points. Anyone who has ever listened with complete focus to a complex piece of music (the latest pop radio #1 probably doesn’t count) could know that. Idk why some people here are acting like he’s trying you to ban you from listening to music altogether. In general people are way too comfortable multi tasking, which is scientifically proven to result in less than the sum of its parts

Actually, music has been proven to aid focus for individuals with various diagnoses as well as for neurotypical groups. 

 

This Youtuber's myopic vignettes don't hold up. 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by suburbannature

[LCTV]

Well music keeps me alive so I'll continue doing that.

[Contessa]

ok you guys are taking it way too far.. clearly the sensational title got to you. if you watch the video he's arguing for a "better" way (in his opinion) of engaging with music compared to the mindless consumption (which is not "bad" in comparison by any means) we are used to. Of course soundtracks are a vital part of movies; of course music can help us cope with things we are not yet capable of; of course the mere consumption of music is in no way "bad;" but too many of us are only used to music as a "distraction." not only is it a possible hinderance to meaningful progress in the longterm, it also makes it harder to enjoy music for what it is. he is simply offering a different relationship to music that we can play with, but i get why it is so controversial on a "music" forum.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Contessa

[Bosque]

5 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Actually, music has been proven to aid focus for individuals with various diagnoses as well as groups of neurotypical populations. 

 

This Youtuber's myopic vignettes don't hold up. 

Those studies mostly have mixed results depending on the people (and small sample sizes to boot). Furthermore they are often focused on classical and/or instrumental music which isn’t exactly the main focus of ATRL users. 

 

He never claimed to speak for people with any sort of specific diagnosis, or that his argument applies to everyone equally. What’s myopic is your blanket statements which don’t do justice to the complexity of research on this topic. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Dephira

[Dancehall Queen]

18 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Actually, music has been proven to aid focus for individuals with various diagnoses as well as groups of neurotypical populations. 

 

This Youtuber's myopic vignettes don't hold up. 

He does say music helps him focus on writing and he listens to music while exercising. I jumped around and played less than a minute of the video but sounded more like he thinks people shouldn’t use music as a barrier to interacting with other people/the world around them.. but that’s totally the point of some people having AirPods/earphones in. 
 

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I hate this format of video. Both oversimplified and needlessly convoluted  

[GentleEarthquake]

I study while listening to Bjork's Utopia and I can still concentrate, actually, I believe it helps me focus better 

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, Contessa said:

ok you guys are taking it way too far.. clearly the sensational title got to you. if you watch the video he's arguing for a "better" way (in his opinion) of engaging with music compared to the mindless consumption (which is not "bad" in comparison by any means) we are used to. Of course soundtracks are a vital part of movies; of course music can help us cope with things we are not yet capable of; of course the mere consumption of music is in no way "bad;" but too many of us are only used to music as a "distraction." not only is it a possible hinderance to meaningful progress in the longterm, it also makes it harder to enjoy music for what it is. he is simply offering a different relationship to music that we can play with, but i get why it is so controversial on a "music" forum.

The way he articulated it is still incorrect.

[Contessa]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

The way he articulated it is still incorrect.

that's the formula that all these influencers and youtubers adhere to unfortunately.

[suburbannature]

3 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Those studies mostly have mixed results depending on the people (and small population sizes to boot). Furthermore they are often focused on classical and/or instrumental music which isn’t exactly the main focus of ATRL users.

 

He never claimed to speak for people with any sort of specific diagnosis, or that his argument applies to everyone equally. What’s myopic is your blanket statements which don’t do justice to the complexity of research on this topic. 

I said that research reflects improved focus for both numerous diagnoses and neurotypical populations. And no, our field has a wealth of contemporaneous studies about the use of popular music to focus and for coping. I've both facilitated and studied extensively. 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by suburbannature

[Gladiator]

I disagree entirely. I am more focused and productive listening to music and I can actually recall things a lot easier if I associate them with something like a song or album.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Gladiator

[JoeAg]

if i'm not listening to music, I'm likely either making music, talking to friends, watching something, or reading

 

other than those moments, I love music and how it makes me feel. music can help me focus, inspire me, motivate me... not to be platitudinous but music is my life. for real, music saved/saves my life, music helps me connect with people. you can find out so much about people through their relationship with music. maybe i'll watch the whole video once I'm less exhausted (4 hours of sleep last night, saw Eras movie a few hours ago like 5 towns over, just got back from the gym) but I disagree on principle at the moment. you can't listen to too much music! 

[The Man Who]

I couldn’t really understand what he was saying during the video as the music I was playing was too loud, but great scenery, beautiful scenery!

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by The Man Who

[Bacardo Royale]

The defensiveness in here lets me know there's some truth to what he's saying .