celeb news GWR- Madonna still biggest selling and touring female artist of all time

[jesus del rey]

The dupes are FIGHTIIIIIIING

[Mystic Boy]

25 minutes ago, jesus del rey said:

The dupes are FIGHTIIIIIIING

Right?

Dont know what happened these last few days but there's a big wave of them....

[LOTF]

I was going to reply to that one user again but it's just not worth it.

Imagine thinking being rebutted equals being insulted. The intelligence and maturity is just not there.

[The7thStranger]

12 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Like a prayer era was prime example of her using media stunts. Then erotica. Etc. In the name of artistic expression to cover her lack of evident talent. 

So, in your opinion, Like a Prayer, Express Yourself, and Cherish were only hits because of “media tactics” (which you have yet to name) and not because of her talent. Yet, she was the chief songwriter behind those songs, her previous world tour had incredible turn-out, and all of her most recent singles preceeding 1989—Live to Tell, Papa Don’t Preach, Open Your Heart, Who’s That Girl, Causing a Commotion, Look of Love, La Isla Bonita, and Spotlight—were all Top 10 hits in their respective demographics…

 

I mean, it’s okay to admit you don’t have a full grasp of music history or Madonna’s career. You don’t need to keep returning to the thread.

[Jay07]

Congrats to Madonna, the one and only Queen, with a career spanning 40 years. She is an artist and a pioneer and her bold artistic statements are now being hailed as paving the way for all females in the industry and that is even more important than sales (which she has anyway). Others can use gimmicks like discounts and remixes because numbers is all they will ever have.

[Solaria]

That user having a complete and utter meltdown 

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

As a matter of fact madonna was the first pop star from the 80s who did the stadium tour worldwide. She was the only pop female from the 80s who kept making the tour markets  grow bigger as in stadiums and expanding the rooms for females while rock bands and male artists were doing competively and mostly. And she changed the pop concert formats and set the bar for female performances in them by the blond ambition tour in 90.

I think if female successors in pop are not out of their minds, they'd  better have nothing but appreciation and genuine respects for the one and only queen of pop madonna.

 

I'm not even mentioning her activism towards female equality and sexuality LGBTq human rights or social impacts.

Now she's again at  a battle against  sexism, agism, and misogyny from the patriarch society. I'm.sure she's paving the way for female successors in the future as she always did. 

 

Her influence is enormous and could be seen in so many parts of our society.

 

 

That will never be bought by cheap money.

 

Edited October 29, 2023 by thequeenofpopmadonna

[AvadaKedavra]

Her Tours are above everyone. The concepts. The stage. Theyre dont look like a theather show. Her shows look expensive.
She also was the pioneer of these larger than life tours. She started it all. The Queen of Touring 
Her choreos and dancing when  she was able (healthier younger body) was also insane. A gifted dancer
 

Edited October 29, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[GlamSlam]

11 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

I never denied her initial success at all? But later on she started doing all cheap media stunts ro stay relevant. It is fact. Look it up. She made a whole career on her stunts to hide her lack of talent. 

 

I don't follow others to comment on.. For mj , I have worse views as person.  Madonna was also street smart business person and knew how to sell her product. 

 

Taylor is doing for current industry. It's like saying Madonna surpasses aretha when their impacts are different. Taylor impact is her own. Like speaking for small musicians, billions of economic effect etc. Impact can't be counted. Taylor catalog sells like hot cakes even after all these years. Whereas most pop stars leave charts after some years. Madonna's most hits have terrible stats compared to previous legacy artists. Most songs are forgotten.. So I have to disagree. What u see as groundbreaking, others don't. 

So you still refuse to answer to my question, which makes me think you don't have one and you're really just coasting on your own false narratives.

 

According to you, Like a Prayer and Erotica were cheap stunts, but in reality they were simply two forms of art in the same way Prince, MJ and so many others were creating art, so why are you singling Madonna out while ignoring others?

 

What controversy and cheap stunts surrounded Bedtime Stories upon it's release?

What about Ray of Light and Something to Remember? Evita was a movie soundtrack, so how exactly were any of these cheap stunts?

 

You said she got by on very little talent, which is exactly what people say about TS, and yet you're talking as if TS's the greatest artist alive. Madonna's hits are still remembered today, otherwise she wouldn't have a sold out tour on her hands.

 

As for MJ, how is his personal life relevant to his music and what we were discussing?

 

11 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

She couldn't because she didn't have demand for 150 stadiums.

Her shows/concerts are much more physically demanding than those who pout, flick their hair and walk from one side of the stage to the other. That woman you stan barely even moves or sings anyway, so it's not as if she's doing much in those three hours. Now compare that to someone who puts a lot of effort into her heavyily choreographed dance routines, flies around the stage on wires and does forward rolls in her 50's and it shouldn't even be a question as to why she doesn't do 150 date tours. It's not though lack of demand, it's because her shows are much more physically demanding. Michael Jackson didn't even do 150 dates either, so are you saying there was no demand for him?  Let me ask you this, has your fave ever had an audience of 131,100 in Paris like Madonna did on the WTG tour? If your answer is "She can do that easily" then you're falling into your own trap of "Could, would and shoulda's". The only people who go on excruciatingly long tours are people like TS, Ed Sheeran and Elton John because they do very little on stage with regards to movement, which is convenient considering they're known for their competetive streak and shameless desires to beat other people's records. That's not a drag as such, just the truth.

 

Those who dump on Madonna's legacy, and try to lecture lifelong fans (when they weren't born to witness her peak) make me laugh, because they simply don't have a clue how massive she was. Her peak btw, was between 1984-1991, and not 2000. Although, she did have quite a few smaller resurgences in 1996, 1998, 2000, 2005, 2008 which proved she could capture lightning in a bottle on more than one occasion. Others aren't so lucky.

Edited October 29, 2023 by GlamSlam

[ricardoazevedo]

17 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

So you still refuse to answer to my question, which makes me think you don't have one and you're really just coasting on your own false narratives.

 

According to you, Like a Prayer and Erotica were cheap stunts, but in reality they were simply two forms of art in the same way Prince, MJ and so many others were creating art, so why are you singling Madonna out while ignoring others?

 

What controversy and cheap stunts surrounded Bedtime Stories upon it's release?

What about Ray of Light and Something to Remember? Evita was a movie soundtrack, so how exactly were any of these cheap stunts?

 

You said she got by on very little talent, which is exactly what people say about TS, and yet you're talking as if TS's the greatest artist alive. Madonna's hits are still remembered today, otherwise she wouldn't have a sold out tour on her hands.

 

As for MJ, how is his personal life relevant to his music and what we were discussing?

 

Her shows/concerts are much more physically demanding than those who pout, flick their hair and walk from one side of the stage to the other. That woman you stan barely even moves or sings anyway, so it's not as if she's doing much in those three hours. Now compare that to someone who puts a lot of effort into her heavyily choreographed dance routines, flies around the stage on wires and does forward rolls in her 50's and it shouldn't even be a question as to why she doesn't do 150 date tours. It's not though lack of demand, it's because their shows are much more physically demanding for the artist. Michael Jackson didn't even do 150 dates either, so are you saying there was no demand for him either?  Let me ask you this, has your fave ever had an audience of 131,100 in Paris like Madonna did on the WTG tour? If your answer is "She can do that easily" then you're falling into your own trap of "Could, would and shoulda's".

 

Those who **** on Madonna's legacy and try to lecture lifelong fans (when they weren't born to witness her peak) make me laugh, because they simply don't have a clue how massive she was. Her peak btw, was between 1984-1991, and not 2000. Although, she did have quite a few smaller resurgences in 1996, 1998, 2000, 2005, 2008 which proved she could capture lightening in a bottle on more than one occasion. Others aren't so lucky.

Well said. And i think if Taylor read the stupid things some stans write about other artists just to defend her, she would be sad. She has a lot of respect for Madonna. Last year Grammys she was the only one who applauded M entrance on foot. She knows M legacy and respects.

[Sweetness]

6 hours ago, BnPac said:

Even Jay-Z has said over and over again that Forbes does not know how much he is worth and he doesn't know where they get his numbers from. Just like Giselle said back in the day. But I am sure those are madly rich and billionaires anyway. 

 

OT : Congrats! Of course M is the QoP.

Some Swifties need to learn how to appreciate other female artists' success and give them their flowers. 

How would anyone know, these celeb would have to sit down and discuss everything with these reporters about there finances and every business transactions and who's doing this?

[spree]

3 hours ago, Love Again said:

That user having a complete and utter meltdown 

and I thought some Monsters were bad, this user takes the cake!!  "No demand!!" "No star power!!"  "No talent!!" "Gimmicks!!" 

[GlamSlam]

I don't understand how artistic expression combined with controversial / political subjects discussed on and off the stage can be classed as a stunt?

 

The subject matter of teenage pregnancy in Papa Don't Preach opened up a huge worldwide public debate that was long overdue. Justify My Love and Erotica mocked those who acted like sex and sexual fantasies was dirty and something to be ashamed about, while the same people (including politicians and people in power) often took part in sordid sex acts with more than one person, which reeks of hypocrisy. Surely it's good to open up a debate than not at all, which Miss Vanilla herself doesn't seem capable of doing outside of who she's f*cking and what color lipstick she's wearing.

 

While we're on the subject of stunts -  isn't TS known for writing songs about her ex boyfriends when the relationship goes sour?  Say what you like about Madonna, but I don't think she's ever presented herself as a victim who constantly bleats on about her exes to sell music.

Edited October 29, 2023 by GlamSlam

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

she deserves 

[spree]

3 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

I don't understand how artistic expression combined with controversial / political subjects discussed on and off the stage can be classed as a stunt?

The subject matter of teenage pregnancy in Papa Don't Preach opened up a huge worldwide public debate that was long overdue. Justify My Love and Erotica was mocking those who acted like sex and sexual fantasies was dirty and something to be ashamed about, while the same people (including politicians and people in power) often took part in sex acts themselves behind closed doors and sometimes quite sordid, which reeks of hypocrisy.

While we're on the subjects of stunts -  isn't TS known for writingsongs about her ex boyfriends after the realtionship goes sour?  Say what you like about Madonna, but I don't think she's ever presented herself as a victim who constantly bleats on about her exes.

 

we all know who is the better, more important, historical female musician.  Taylor can have her "units", but that's all she has. 

[Chris]

10 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Her choreos and dancing when  she was able (healthier younger body) was also insane.

[Chris]

7 hours ago, GlamSlam said:

I don't understand how artistic expression combined with controversial / political subjects discussed on and off the stage can be classed as a stunt?

Even if they were, so what?

 

Let them continue to seethe.