Archetype Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Gaga and Katy never feuded, and Gaga has never publicly said anything bad about Katy. It was only the fanbases that fought due to how both artists weirdly release albums and drop singles around the same time. Regarding Taylor, Bad Blood was definitely a statement against Katy, and it could have caused a general fallout with the GP against Katy. I don’t think this is the *main* cause, but it might have contributed to her image souring with the GP. The main culprit was Katy herself and the Witness rollout. It must have been a very humbling experience for her to realize that her success was always tied to her image, and when she lost that, her ability to score back to back hits ended. That’s why she seems to be so content living a more private life with her family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_d_22 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Not really but Katy wrote Swish Swish about it which is an awful song and I think is why Witness failed so like kind of but at no fault of Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptique Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Katy contributed to Gaga's downfall during ARTPOP Era but Gaga has nothing to do with Katy's demise I believe Taylor has something to do with it tho.. Taylor captured Katy's Teenage Dream demographic by releasing 1989 (an era similar to TD).. Releasing Taylor's discog on Spotify during Witness' release week was a petty move but it never contributed to the grand scheme of things.. The majority is due to Katy's own doings tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Me Apart Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Gaga was just as irrelevant as Katy during the Witness era if not more, she had just come out of the Joanne era which was her biggest and most disappointing flop. When she regained enough momentum to be considered relevant Katy was already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Self Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Katy ended herself and we all know it. Though feuding with Taylor never fares well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burninredhot Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Katy did it to herself. It was fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnightdawn Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No her issue was going out hard to support Hillary, releasing that horrible Rise and performing it at the DNC. After Hillary's shock and Trump's win Katy took it personally and tried to move into "purposeful pop" which was a disaster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Stratus Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, differentkindahigh said: Don't doubt it, considering Gaga also had a direct contribution of what they did to Christina during Bionic Gaga is not responsible for Perez actions Chridtina had been warned in 2008 when she jacked Gaga’s swag that people who follow pop saw she was copying Gaga. She came back two years later still copying. People didn’t respond to that lol 34 minutes ago, KMO said: I’m hoping Witness is used as a case study for other labels and artists in how not to market and roll out an album. It was all Katy and Capitol’s doing, I’m afraid. Being 30+ and Putting an album out full of mall fodder is literally a streaming and longevity poison but the swish swish sample is still being used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolce Vita Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 her time was up as a relevant pop girl it’s as simple as that, the stupid career moves she made during witness accelerated that decline tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marry The Gods Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, Archetype said: Gaga and Katy never feuded, and Gaga has never publicly said anything bad about Katy. It was only the fanbases that fought due to how both artists weirdly release albums and drop singles around the same time. Regarding Taylor, Bad Blood was definitely a statement against Katy, and it could have caused a general fallout with the GP against Katy. I don’t think this is the *main* cause, but it might have contributed to her image souring with the GP. The main culprit was Katy herself and the Witness rollout. It must have been a very humbling experience for her to realize that her success was always tied to her image, and when she lost that, her ability to score back to back hits ended. That’s why she seems to be so content living a more private life with her family. This. I also don't think this is necessarily thread worthy. Gaga and Katy are two grown woman who put their past behind and came forward to support one another. They're not men in their 20s and 30s kiking about flop sales and chart positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_love_pop_girls_ Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 At least Gaga can sellout a decent sized stadium tour. I mean if Gaga had added more euro, asian and Latin american shows she could have gotten a $200M plus tour... while Katy is stuck in a half sold vegas theatre 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman4life Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Katy is what happened to Katy she never established a loyal fanbase despite her many hits and yes her image change wasn't a good idea and didn't help at all. However like many have already stated she's doing more than fine right now in her post relevant popstar career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Not at all. She failed to rebrand herself successfully and didn't have strong singles anymore. It had nothing to do with either Taylor or Gaga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale9001 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Oh gosh people here should understand 80% of pop mainstream careers just work for 6-7 years than bye. Gaga reinvented herself at the right Moment as actress and with the right music-movie project or right now probably she would be more a kinda of las Vegas legacy act too. Katy never reinvented herself...changing your hair or making another kind of pop music doesn't mean being different, every One of her albums Is Always the same stuff for the same audience, It's not like you make an euro pop inspired album instead of a swedish rock pop album that changes your career trajectory (something Taylor did with 1989 and then again with folklore, Gaga with a star Is Born). Still her career Is going good in terms of star Power. She still makes live shows, TV shows, TV ads etc . She didn't disappear as most other popstars of the past. She still works a lot as entertainer. Edited October 24, 2023 by vale9001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenager Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) I do think Taylor asserting herself as THE pop girl with 1989 and surging popularity hurt Katy indirectly yes, in addition to the publicity around the whole dancer situation. She had been replaced at the pop stratosphere and perhaps that contributed to some of her existential conflict. HOWEVER, I still think Katy could have bounced back with that and continued to be successful had she handled the situation much differently however every decision made was pretty much a miss. From the messy interviews, to the roll out and performances. Edited October 24, 2023 by teenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peroxide Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Katy has herself to blame. She wasn’t able adjust to streaming and never solidified a strong enough base to carry her through such a steep commercial decline. This is the problem when you’re an artist that relies on radio hits without a devoted fanbase… people like Gaga were able to weather the storm and bounce back because her fans are incredibly dedicated. That said. It probably it didn’t help… Taylor was gunning for Katy when she was experiencing her first major it-girl era and I’m sure she might have said probably bad-mouthed her to people behind the scenes. The fact she dropped her entire catalog on streaming the day Witness came out was next level petty. She's my fave and all but come on Tay... But on a whole? Nah. Whether these “feuds” happened or not… I think Katy’s commercial downfall was kind of inevitable. Edited October 24, 2023 by Peroxide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingYourCareer Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No for Gaga, since she was doing even worse back then. As for Taylor, she just gave her publicity, so she contributed positively while Katy was on a break in the end. Katy did it all to herself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Punky Rooster said: Gaga no as she was over as a pop star well before Katy declined, but Taylor’s fans and their hate campaign definitely had a part in it. Apparently swifties are *that* powerful enough to make "the female MJ" making terrible music, being a cringy mess 24/7 on stream and then flopping to oblivion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosensparkles Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 y'all seem to erase Gaga too easily in 2017, she was headlining the Super Bowl, experiencing yet another SOLDOUT arena tour with an album that was extremely local and didn't have the smash hits of her previous albums, she was the first woman in years to headline Coachella, she was filming her acclaimed and Oscar winning movie A Star is Born... Katy was on her YT series crying and doing therapy, trying to dig up the grave of Snakegate to come back at Taylor with a song that was not even 1/4 catchy as Bad Blood with terrible visuals and calling Bon Appetit "purposeful pop". 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 They added to it (especially Taylor), but the main direct contributor of Katy's demise was Katy herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Wolf Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) No one forced Katy to: -Shave her head -Mock Britney Spears -Look embarrassing as hell trying to be hip with the Migos on SNL -Release that cringy album Hitless -Livestream a mental breakdown It was all her own doing. Let’s be honest now, there was no public feud between either party until that itty bitty drama with Taylor and the dancers or whatever. But only stans cared about that. Whatever happened BTS didn’t matter, Katy was the Killer Queen of her own career. Edited October 24, 2023 by Big Bad Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Wolf Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, chosensparkles said: y'all seem to erase Gaga too easily in 2017, she was headlining the Super Bowl, experiencing yet another SOLDOUT arena tour with an album that was extremely local and didn't have the smash hits of her previous albums, she was the first woman in years to headline Coachella, she was filming her acclaimed and Oscar winning movie A Star is Born... Katy was on her YT series crying and doing therapy, trying to dig up the grave of Snakegate to come back at Taylor with a song that was not even 1/4 catchy as Bad Blood with terrible visuals and calling Bon Appetit "purposeful pop". This thread is about Katy. What made you want to list Gaga’s achievements? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalism Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No but the more delulu people in those fan bases probably pat themselves on the back thinking they did end her 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaggedGalaxy Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No, if anything those feuds kept her in the spot light. She ruined her own career when she decided to cosplay as Ellen Degeneres and release awful music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naval23 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Taylor yes, Gaga no 1989 was basically Teenage Dream on steroids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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