discussion ATRLers into conspiracy theories. How do you feel about the "gay agenda?"

[Terrielle]

It's simply homophobia

[ScorpiosGroove]

i’m all for a good conspiracy theory and there’s many things that are more than weird (celebs acting strange, changing personalities, so many films and series pushing the "evil elite sacrifices children/are satanists” narrative that comes up in TONS of media and which is pretty questionable etc) but the linked channel is just some stupid loser who peddles tiktok nonsense mixed with straight up lies for an audience of gullible boomers who think the moon is fake & beyoncé’s a 67 year old woman who gave birth to her baby sister  

 

most "conspiracists" are just complete idiots who make normal people who just question things look bad (you could argue that’s done on purpose but that’s a story for another time)

[mons†er]

'the gay agenda' was built off fragile masculinity starting in the hip-hop/r&b community. remember people like Elton John, Little Richard and Prince were able to be incredibly successful and become legends while being flamboyant in their music and execution of their craft. 

 

the idea is that anything that deviates from what has been established as masculine, you have to be gay. it is a tool to reinforce homophobia and hate within the world. all in all, there are many people who are gay in the music industry who have fallen and forced themselves to be in heterosexual lifestyles instead of living their authentic lives. and now they're projecting onto those who have decided to be themselves authentically whether it be queer or heterosexual. 

 

[JennyWayne]

 

It's a theory from the extreme right that has become more and more prominent in the recent years as the acceptance of LGBTQ+ has increased drastically and the existence has normalized these past 15 years.

 

This has led to more widespread media attention to the community which led to pushback from those rightwingers. A lot of them are in the "I'm okay with gay people, as long as they don't shove it in my face" group of homophobia.

 

As the community gets more mainstream, this pushback is becoming more and more obvious. A lot of them seem to think that since the existence of LGBTQ+ is widely accepted nowadays, the community doesn't need to protest for their rights and that any of that is just "shoving it in people's faces". Since children now get educated about the existence of the LGBTQ+ community, they claim they get "indoctrinated" and force the "gay agenda" upon them when it's merely education. (This similar to how a lot of rightwingers thought race wasn't an issue anymore when Obama got elected in 2008)

 

Than there's the large of people (including some gays) who only support gay and lesbian rights and not transgender rights, which is a whole issue in itself.

[brazil]

The "gay agenda" is a conservative talking point to disguise bigotry and homophobia. LGBTQ+ are over 15% of any given society, so I'm not sure what people mean with it being a small minority.

 

If anything, there is underepresentation of LGBTQ+ people in media and society. How many openly gay, lesbian or trans actors have won an Oscar out of the total amount given? And we're talking about acting, a field where queer people have historically been more welcomed and active in than in others. How many board members in major companies are openly LGBTQ+? None in the companies that I've worked for. 

 

There is no such thing as "the gay agenda". Seeing a couple of the same-sex in a movie, doesn't make anyone gay, it just might make people who are gay feel more ok with it. Conservatives are just angry that we're not pushed to the sides and shunned like complete outsiders and less-than so they came up with this rethoric of "the gay agenda".

[Headlock]

14 hours ago, BrentB said:

Not all of these conspiracy theories are about attacking the LGBT

A conspiracy about the "gay agenda"... is not attacking LGBTQ+ people? 

 

13 hours ago, ImsoLOUD said:

You are being too generous by even explaining yourself to that 🤡

The way you can't even pull up with these weak ass sub-posts when you started it, a clown indeed.

[ImsoLOUD]

2 minutes ago, Headlock said:

A conspiracy about the "gay agenda"... is not attacking LGBTQ+ people? 

 

The way you can't even pull up with these weak ass sub-posts when you started it, a clown indeed.

Pull up to what?  girl just shut the **** up and stop crying

[Domination]

1 hour ago, brazil said:

LGBTQ+ are over 15% of any given society

[Headlock]

1 minute ago, ImsoLOUD said:

Pull up to what?  girl just shut the **** up and stop crying

Considering this entire thread is filled with people disagreeing with/laughing at the nonsense in the OP, and that you have decided to insert yourself into BrentB and mine's conversation twice now, there seems to be one person crying in here and it ain't me 

[ImsoLOUD]

8 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Considering this entire thread is filled with people disagreeing with/laughing at the nonsense in the OP, and that you have decided to insert yourself into BrentB and mine's conversation twice now, there seems to be one person crying in here and it ain't me 

The constant (completely off topic) meltdowns   i love it

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[BrentB]

5 minutes ago, Headlock said:

A conspiracy about the "gay agenda"... is not attacking LGBTQ+ people? 

 

14 hours ago, BrentB said:

Have you not been around when all of our faves have been accused in one way, shape or form of being in the Illuminati? Heck, even black people have had to face the brunt of BLM (as recent as 2020) being accused of being a sinister agenda to overthrow the white majority.

.... so like I was trying to communicate earlier, every group of people out there have conspiracy theories (whether there is any truth to them or not is neither here or there) that unfortunately are peddled by their detractors in an attempt to discredit & villainize them while others (again, devil's advocate) are simply attempting to make connections where they may,  or may not, be ultimately. 

 

AGAIN, uninvited guests can EXIT STAGE LEFT. Or perhaps I should just relocate this to the conspiracy base chile cause whew...  

[Headlock]

45 minutes ago, BrentB said:

them while others (again, devil's advocate) 

Which is the weakest and most spineless position to take 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

14 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

If there really is a gay agenda I feel like I missed that memo 

 

Are there a certain quota of children we're supposed to force convert to homosexuality each month? 

 

Am I missing my invitation to the elite gay sex rituals? 

LMAO honestly. It's so weird seeing some gay people falling into these conspiracies as someone like me who isn't living in the west

 

Like, why do they assume that the upper echelon is pushing the gay agenda just because male celebrities painting their nails pink or maybe, because of gay-theme movies & TV shows becoming popular these days? Are they talking about femininity in men, capitalism, or are they trying to gatekeep gay culture?

 

It's all just conservatism in a cute alien blanket

[BrentB]

37 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Which is the weakest and most spineless position to take 

You know what, this is the LAST time I address you (and I mean EVER). Next time you see me open a thread & the demographic of ATRLers I'm addressing is not you, you know what to do, which I've hinted at multiple times. 

 

People play devil's advocate all the time. I've encountered MANY threads on here where one person was conveying this position in one way, shape or form. So you can be all reactionary in your posts and call it spineless, but I and many others would agree that it's actually a strength in itself to know exactly where your detractor's ideologies and train of thought originates from (hence the "devil"). You learn something new today sweetie?

 

Once again, you can LEAVE the party that you weren't invited to . Either way, you're not getting another peep from me, sis. Bye Pumpkin! 

 

[ImpressMeMuch]

uh

 

this is a case where I am very okay with shooting the messenger bc let's not spout offensive bullshit?

[Badger]

2 hours ago, BrentB said:

 

.... so like I was trying to communicate earlier, every group of people out there have conspiracy theories (whether there is any truth to them or not is neither here or there) that unfortunately are peddled by their detractors in an attempt to discredit & villainize them while others (again, devil's advocate) are simply attempting to make connections where they may,  or may not, be ultimately. 

 

AGAIN, uninvited guests can EXIT STAGE LEFT. Or perhaps I should just relocate this to the conspiracy base chile cause whew...  

Honey you can’t gatekeep an Internet forum thread.  Not sure what worth discussing this specific subject is other than calling out for the bullshit it is.

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, BrentB said:

You know what, this is the LAST time I address you (and I mean EVER). Next time you see me open a thread & the demographic of ATRLers I'm addressing is not you, you know what to do, which I've hinted at multiple times. 

 

People play devil's advocate all the time. I've encountered MANY threads on here where one person was conveying this position in one way, shape or form. So you can be all reactionary in your posts and call it spineless, but I and many others would agree that it's actually a strength in itself to know exactly where your detractor's ideologies and train of thought originates from (hence the "devil"). You learn something new today sweetie?

 

Once again, you can LEAVE the party that you weren't invited to . Either way, you're not getting another peep from me, sis. Bye Pumpkin! 

 

You have to be either 12 or 65, there is no in-between 

[BrentB]

OK, so I don't need to write another novel explaining myself & the gurls who know, know. But I, for some reason, feel the need to ARTICULATE myself further so perhaps one of y'all would just get an inkling of what I'm trying to get across.

 

So, as far as the gay agenda conspiracy theories, as someone who somewhat believes in a few conspiracies, I'll just say this. The gay agenda conspiracy of the elite trying to turn all, or a certain subset of, men gay, IS BULLSHIT. Let's just get that out of the way. You heard it from me. So for all those parroting the same tired-ass "ThIs Is BuLlShIt, We'Re JuSt CaLlInG yOu OuT oN YoUr Bs! " and not adding anything else to the conversation, trust me, I'm team you . This is why I didn't want any oversensitive, overreactionary users commenting on this thread. But hey, I guess I can't gatekeep these kinds of discussions after all, like someone else said.

 

However, and you may disagree, that's fine, this doesn't change my belief that in the entertainment industry, there are gay sex rituals that occur for whatever motives (it could be positive or negative, so it's not ALL sinister). It's not just gay sex rituals and it's not even just sex rituals that occur. Sex magic is a real thing & heavily practiced within many industries (cue the faceplants & dead banana emojis). Sex is seen as the highest and most powerful connection that humans can have with each other, hence why it's seen as such an effective means of manifesting. It's kinda the same idea as Christians praying & New Age people following horoscopes, but on much higher level.

 

Also, I'm not equating all these rituals as to the sole reason why there's been a heavy push for men wearing drag in the media. However, it's been said that the elite does, and have used, every single group of people (including, yes, regular-degular str8s) to push whatever agenda it is that they want for said group. It's obviously not to say that every disenfranchised group of people's fight is a sinister agenda (feminism is another thing that is "agenda'd" by conservatives), however perhaps the upper echelons want to put their own little devious twist to it. 

 

So yeah, I hope this clarifies every last grievance, although I doubt it will. Just hoping this could be a teachable moment tbh.

Edited October 23, 2023 by BrentB

[brazil]

1 hour ago, BrentB said:

OK, so I don't need to write another novel explaining myself & the gurls who know, know. But I, for some reason, feel the need to ARTICULATE myself further so perhaps one of y'all would just get an inkling of what I'm trying to get across.

 

So, as far as the gay agenda conspiracy theories, as someone who somewhat believes in a few conspiracies, I'll just say this. The gay agenda conspiracy of the elite trying to turn all, or a certain subset of, men gay, IS BULLSHIT. Let's just get that out of the way. You heard it from me. So for all those parroting the same tired-ass "ThIs Is BuLlShIt, We'Re JuSt CaLlInG yOu OuT oN YoUr Bs! " and not adding anything else to the conversation, trust me, I'm team you . This is why I didn't want any oversensitive, overreactionary users commenting on this thread. But hey, I guess I can't gatekeep these kinds of discussions after all, like someone else said.

 

However, and you may disagree, that's fine, this doesn't change my belief that in the entertainment industry, there are gay sex rituals that occur for whatever motives (it could be positive or negative, so it's not ALL sinister). It's not just gay sex rituals and it's not even just sex rituals that occur. Sex magic is a real thing & heavily practiced within many industries (cue the faceplants & dead banana emojis). Sex is seen as the highest and most powerful connection that humans can have with each other, hence why it's seen as such an effective means of manifesting. It's kinda the same idea as Christians praying & New Age people following horoscopes, but on much higher level.

 

Also, I'm not equating all these rituals as to the sole reason why there's been a heavy push for men wearing drag in the media. However, it's been said that the elite does, and have used, every single group of people (including, yes, regular-degular str8s) to push whatever agenda it is that they want for said group. It's obviously not to say that every disenfranchised group of people's fight is a sinister agenda (feminism is another thing that is "agenda'd" by conservatives), however perhaps the upper echelons want to put their own little devious twist to it. 

 

So yeah, I hope this clarifies every last grievance, although I doubt it will. Just hoping this could be a teachable moment tbh.

[Theshigo Washidu]

On 10/23/2023 at 5:56 AM, Machete said:

I'm not a conspiracy theorist in any way but I do think there is some validity to it. Specifically for BIPOC.

 

Disclaimer: I myself am a black person who identifies as LGBT

 

I do believe there is some type of emasculation of black men going on and it does kind of have racist undertones. For instance I have noticed in a lot of new shows now the "token black character" has morphed into token LGBT one too. A lot of the black men that mainstream media do push on the public are either gay or lean into their femininity. Even if there is a stereotypical manly black man being marketed, they will have photoshoots of them holding flowers or what not. It feels like they deem the traditional straight black man to be something too aggressive so they have to remove the "threat" by emasculating it. It is a complex subject, that I am torn about. Obviously gay black people do deserve representation, but at the same time it seems like the "manly" straight black archetype is non-existent. It doesn't seem like there's a place for positive "manly" black men, it's either being portrayed as gangsters or effeminate.

Agreed.

Even with the "token Black character" thing, it's corporations trying to kill two or multiple birds by getting double/triple minorities (Black or Asian, gay and disabled) to represent. Could be cheaper that way too.

 

Even with representation for Black gay men, it's usually entertainment jesters like Lil Nas or Saucy Santana that they would bring out to the mainstream which leads back to your point - the straight Black male archetype being seen as threatening, especially if they don't look a certain way.

(Mentioned this because straight-passing queer men will be seen as straight men to most).

[Damien M]

There is no such thing.