Afterglow Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: A vote for an empty-headed husk like Joe Biden is a wasted vote. He's not going to have 60 Democrats in the Senate. He's not going to even have a Senate majority at all once Manchin's seat is lost. And Democrats will probably never get a Senate majority again anyway, given they only have what they have barely by the skin of their teeth because of a dying breed of Blue Dogs that have been losing their seats to Republicans since the Obama shellacking of 2010. So realistically, nobody's gonna be fighting anything. Especially not Joe Biden, who remains an institutionalist and won't support getting rid of the filibuster for something like gun legislation. There's no substance here. Not a single person can give a coherent argument as to how not voting for the correct (BLUE) side here and/or wasting your vote by not voting isn't doing direct harm to this country. If you're not voting the right way, or period, please keep it to yourself and don't inject that idiocy into other people's brains. These are dangerous times, stop playing with people's lives because of what wrong opinion you've developed from twitter and look at real daily life for fcks sake y’all no matter what, vote blue end of story. 3 4
teresaguidice Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Afterglow said: Will they be contributing to them? no, they'll be at an impasse like they are now. it's a random issue to single out as the one to convince non-voters when the outcome will be identical regardless of the election. 1 hour ago, Afterglow said: And dont bring up that BS about "black on black crime" weirdo strawman...
Afterglow Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, teresaguidice said: no, EXACTLY 1
ClashAndBurn Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, Afterglow said: There's no substance here. Not a single person can give a coherent argument as to how not voting for the correct (BLUE) side here and/or wasting your vote by not voting isn't doing direct harm to this country. If you're not voting the right way, or period, please keep it to yourself and don't inject that idiocy into other people's brains. These are dangerous times, stop playing with people's lives because of what wrong opinion you've developed from twitter and look at real daily life for fcks sake y’all no matter what, vote blue end of story. The point is that expecting outcomes from voting blue, when that would require states where Republican representation is 100% guaranteed to be locked in to flip blue, is fantasy. There's no democratic solution to gun violence, especially since a lot of Democrats oppose gun control to begin with.
Afterglow Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: The point is that expecting outcomes from voting blue, when that would require states where Republican representation is 100% guaranteed to be locked in to flip blue, is fantasy. There's no democratic solution to gun violence, especially since a lot of Democrats oppose gun control to begin with. Sis at one time it was a fantasy that slavery and segregation would end. The point here is education. It's quite obvious things won't change in our lifetime, but what can help slowly turn the tides is educating people on ways citizens can have a better, safer life provided by our government. And voting accordingly. It’s absolutely the right stepping stone. 1
teresaguidice Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Afterglow said: EXACTLY exactly what? if an issue is at an impasse, neither party is improving or contributing to the situation. republicans say "wrong" things (guns aren't the issue) and democrats say the "right" things (something must change) but when nothing changes, that doesn't mean anything. between trump and biden administrations, nothing changed besides a toothless bipartisan gun bill that did absolutely nothing. politicians at the national level have proven unequivocally that they will not solve the gun problem even under public pressure. my larger point is that this is probably not the hill to die on in the "blue no matter who" argument. i think abortion is the issue of choice for that at the moment. 4
Communion Posted October 28, 2023 Author Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Afterglow said: Imma be 1000% honest, Im concerned that we had yet another mass shooting basically down the road If you hate guns, wait until you find out what Biden's is endorsing the Israeli national government giving its citizens. "The Republicans are VERY BAD" is not really an inspiring rallying calls when Biden endorses the GOP of Israel:
Afterglow Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Communion said: If you hate guns, wait until you find out what Biden's is endorsing the Israeli national government giving its citizens. "The Republicans are VERY BAD" is not really an inspiring rallying calls when Biden endorses the GOP of Israel: You must've missed the most important part of my comment 1 1
GhostBox Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) Tell us again how just letting Trump win or hoping he does is so great for everyone including the people some here say they care about 💀 Edited October 29, 2023 by GhostBox 1 1
Cyanide Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Afterglow said: Your conscience isn't very bright then. If any of you let Biden lose this election you truly hate your fellow Americans, especially those of color. I’m an immigrant person of color, you’re probably not, this is the same gaslighting white liberals come up with every election 😭 5 hours ago, Communion said: Nope, sorry, not gonna work this time. Gotta come up with something better. 1 1 2
Delirious Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, Cyanide said: I’m an immigrant person of color, you’re probably not, this is the same gaslighting white liberals come up with every election 😭 Exactly and the fact that you're a immigrant POC and you're gonna let the opposite side win goes to show how even more delusional you are. Like at this point what's the point of even arguing with people like you. Trump HATES immigrants. If he could deport every single one, he would. And other western countries might even follow suit. Do you really think that's a good idea? 1 2
Delirious Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: Tell us again how just letting Trump win or hoping he does is so great for everyone including the people some here say they care about 💀 The people in this thread don't care. They made their statement clear as day. One goes to say that if Trump win, we 'deserve' it. Same person called me an Islamophobic Zionist and said I had no right to speak and once I told them I am an ex Muslim they stopped replying to me because there's nothing to say without embarrassing themselves especially when they're a NON MUSLIM. 2 2
Communion Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Afterglow said: You must've missed the most important part No, I'm telling you that you don't understand how voting works. Your understanding of people and why they do or do not vote is childlike and ultimately rooted in a place of privilege. You're the same user who still denies that low-income black voters not voting in the rust belt was why Hillary lost in 2016, seemingly unable to actually come to terms with the claims you make about non-voters being privileged not being materially supported by real life. Voting is transactional. Maybe you care about guns. Good for you. Lots of groups the Democrats need to win care that Biden is pushing genocide denial and actively supporting arming Israel in its genocide of Palestinians. If Joe Biden wanted to win, he'd take these concerns seriously, but he loves Israel more than he wants to beat Trump, so you either better ensure he loses the primary or accept you have an unlikable Zionist as your candidate who *YOU* need to convince - convince HIM, not US - to change his entire worldview to become electable again. Good luck! 7
Communion Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Delirious said: Stop trying to silence us. You know who probably feel silenced? The 7,000 Gazans killed by Israel since 10/07 who Joe Biden said were made up numbers.
Delirious Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, Communion said: You know who probably feel silenced? The 7,000 Gazans killed by Israel since 10/07 who Joe Biden said were made up numbers. We are really going to trust numbers provided by the Hamas now? A terrorist organisation known for lying and storing all their supplies for themselves. And of course the org which still has 200 Israelis kidnapped? And yes, Ex Muslims are silenced by Muslims but also a lot from NON MUSLIMS & non POC like you. So yea, stop trying to silence us & devalue our experiences. 6
Communion Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Delirious said: We are really going to trust numbers provided by the Hamas now? FYI - denying genocide is not going to just make people not vote, but actively make them radically polarized against you! Veering real close to ******* around and finding out! Edited October 29, 2023 by Communion 1
DAP Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) I bet you these white liberals claiming people/leftists abstaining from voting (based on legit grievance) “hate their fellow Americans, especially those of color” don’t even speak to any person of color for their input, let alone enough to take seriously or even arrive at that conclusion. Because no one that does would be so brazen as to use “black on black crime” as a non sequitur in an argument. No one f*cking brought that up or was preparing to other than you, like b*tch what are you talking about? Edited October 29, 2023 by DAP 4 5
St. Charles Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 I feel like things have a chance to turn around in a year. 1
Delirious Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Communion said: FYI - denying genocide is not going to just make people not vote, but actively make them radically polarized against you! Veering real close to ******* around and finding out! Noone is denying that there isn't a genocide happening right now. This goes for both ways however. The IDF are evil for killing innocent Palestinian civilians. The Hamas just killed 1400 Israelis 2 weeks ago & are still holding 200 captive. They're both committing genocide. What do you think Israel should do to free the 200 hostages which the Hamas aren't willing to free? How should Israel prepare for future attacks from Hamas? Does Israel have a right to defend itself from a terrorist attack? The Hamas are right now are stopping people from leaving Gaza, keeping resources for themselves & firing thousands of rockets non stop to Israel however they great anti missile systems that lessens the impact of them. The Hamas need to be eradicated for the future of Israel and Palestine. Edited October 29, 2023 by Delirious 2
Danny789 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 If they were smart they would have an open primary. Then certain members wouldn’t feel like they are being completely silenced.
Communion Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Delirious said: What do you think Israel should do to free the 200 hostages which the Hamas aren't willing to free? By agreeing to the terms Hamas proposed of releasing the 8000 Palestinian civilians trapped as political prisoners in Israel for the 224 Israeli civilians currently held as political prisoners within Gaza, which the Israeli families are demanding Bibi do. Israel's commitment to genocide - the only party doing such here - means though it would rather kill Israelis being held in Gaza as political bargaining chips for fuel, water, food, etc. than veer away from its mission of ethnically cleansing all Palestinians, not just Hamas, which is why dozens of Israeli political prisoners have died already from Israeli airstrikes alongside thousands of Palestinians. You seem to not realize everything that comes out of your mouth only further radicalizes any sane person against both the genocidal state of Israel and the genocide enablers like Joe Biden who support it. Edited October 29, 2023 by Communion 4
GhostBox Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, St. Charles said: I feel like things have a chance to turn around in a year. The people who vote in America have the attention span of a child. What’s ever in the news the last month of the election will decide it. that will be inflation, gas prices, abortion, ect. Things that affect each voter personally. Nothing more . 1
Delirious Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Communion said: By agreeing to the terms Hamas proposed of releasing the 8000 Palestinian civilians trapped as political prisoners in Israel for the 224 Israeli civilians currently held as political prisoners within Gaza, which the Israeli families are demanding Bibi do. Israel's commitment to genocide - the only party doing such here - means though it would rather kill Israelis being held in Gaza as political bargaining chips for fuel, water, food, etc. than veer away from its mission of ethnically cleansing all Palestinians, not just Hamas, which is why dozens of Israeli political prisoners have died already from Israeli airstrikes alongside thousands of Palestinians. You seem to not realize everything that comes out of your mouth only further radicalizes any sane person against both the genocidal state of Israel and the genocide enablers like Joe Biden who support it. So are we going to pretend that the Hamas didn't just kill 1400 Israelis and blasting rockets 24/7? Isn't that literally genocide? It baffles me how you aren't going to call Hamas a genocidal party. Edited October 29, 2023 by Delirious 2
Communion Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, Delirious said: Isn't that literally genocide? Again, the only genocide occurring is that of the Palestinian people under Israeli occupation, with such an occupation being the cause for the 1.4k Israelis who died on 10/07, the now 8k Palestinians who have died since 10/07, the 100,000+ Palestinians Israel killed before 10/07, the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced from their homes, and the Palestinian diaspora that exists of millions of Palestinians ethnically cleansed from the borders of their home. By committing itself to genocide, Israel puts its own Jewish population at risk while also inflicting immeasurable death and destruction in its attempt to commit ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. By siding with Israel and offering unconditional support, Biden has co-signed genocide. The electoral fallout from Arab Americans is a natural consequence of supporting ethnic-supremacist ideologies. 5 2
Cyanide Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, DAP said: I bet you these white liberals claiming people/leftists abstaining from voting (based on legit grievance) “hate their fellow Americans, especially those of color” don’t even speak to any person of color for their input, let alone enough to take seriously or even arrive at that conclusion. Because no one that does would be so brazen as to use “black on black crime” as a non sequitur in an argument. No one f*cking brought that up or was preparing to other than you, like b*tch what are you talking about? People like that probably cross the street when they see POC on the sidewalk, and only bring us up as a shield or to win an argument 😭 10
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