base talk Did Gaga overwork herself too Much?

[AvadaKedavra]

Lately, I've been reading and researching about Gaga's early career years, and I noticed that she technically worked tirelessly from 2008 to 2013 lookin at the dates on wikipedia. The breaks she had were practically rare. She had to do extensive promo on radios and tv shows to be listened and supported, attend celebs events, create her unique music videos concepts and outfits, produce her albums, and endure long and grueling tours, commercials and brand deals  Her ambitiousness was all-time high and her work ethic too.....
but the commitments were too much? where was the time for herself?


 

At times as an old stan, I feel that this was the worst for her.
It severely affected her mental / physical health
Lady Gaga's standards were incredibly high, so she couldn't just put anything basic-generic out there.
Dealing with fame even if it looks easy is not.
Traveling and Traveling with no rest is hard too.
She  dealed with drug addiction (coke-weed)


 

The bullying she suffered was intense i remember it very well.
Britney, Bieber, Gaga, Taylor – all of them faced huge backlash above some of their peers
They were constantly mocked by millions worldwide.  Calling them Gay or Unstable or A Flop-She's Over or ManEater-S-L-U-T

I still don't understand how Taylor Swift managed to survive that and not be as damaged. She's more ambitious than ever today 
For Brit-Bieber-Gaga it had long term consequences
Maybe Taylor was protected by her Parents and that helped a lot???  they were traveling with her

After those horrible situations all the ambitiousness Brit-Bieber-Gaga  for their music careers was lost. 
They still love music but they clearly dont feel as hyped-attached to it as before

 

 

 

Sometimes, I feel that a better path for Gaga would have been to take a break after her debut, "The Fame" and the Tour



return late in 2011-2012 with "The Fame Monster" or something totally new
(a Whole-Long Spooky Studio album, not an EP) (Mixing BTW-The Fame Monster)
Go on Tour, take a big break again, and then continue with her career.

I'm sure if she had taken more time for it, she would be more in love with her music career today and would have had more time to plan her projects-vision and execute them well. 

  

 

What do you think? Do you believe Gaga lost her musical ambition due to so much work and hate? 

Should Gaga have taken a break and had more time to execute her projects more perfectly?
Were some of her bad decisions in the BTW and ARTPOP eras due to not having enough time to plan everything properly?

Has anyone here ever wondered what it would have been like if Gaga had that tour with Kanye West?

Are you angry that the world didn't appreciate her art and wanted to destroy her? 
people used to mock her HIGH COUTURE DRESSES and over-the-top things. We didnt appreciate that

All this overworking leaded her to not pay attention to the flareups and her fibro turned into chronic disease?

Thanks for your future comments sugarcubes 

Edited October 22, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[lonnie]

I think she's just getting older, and people tend to want more stable and less volatile lives after a certain point. It's unrealistic the way stans expect popstars to always be active until they drop dead, and selfish as well. She worked really hard and went through some rough times and if she needs some rest, she should take it.

[wulmite]

I think so. It is kind of hard to explain how big she was when she first blew up but she was every-*******-where and had not only commercial success, but also artistic and social impact, and she had literally just started. When you reach that level of success so fast, you'll definitely work your ass off to keep it.

 

The Monster Ball was her first major tour and it had over 200 dates, like... that's insane. The success she had on her first album was on a level that an artist expects to reach on maybe their third or fourth.

 

[LCTV]

Yes didnt her hip snap.

[GraceRandolph]

4 minutes ago, wulmite said:

The success she had on her first album was on a level that an artist expects to reach on maybe their third or fourth.

 

LBR, most people never reach that level of success PERIOD.

[AvadaKedavra]

9 minutes ago, wulmite said:

I think so. It is kind of hard to explain how big she was when she first blew up but she was every-*******-where and had not only commercial success, but also artistic and social impact, and she had literally just started. When you reach that level of success so fast, you'll definitely work your ass off to keep it.

 

The Monster Ball was her first major tour and it had over 200 dates, like... that's insane. The success she had on her first album was on a level that an artist expects to reach on maybe their third or fourth.

 

I love Taylor with all my heart and she's also impressive in so many ways but when people act like 1989 was bigger i laugh so much  (Have seen some comments like that here)

Gaga in 2009-2010 was  a huge cultural phenomenon WORLDWIDE. Michael Jackson levels of huge.

She was not only a music star. She was a fashion icon. A Visual-Music Videos Innovator. Everyone was confused with her. She invented so many concepts. All The flashmoobs honoring her. The Little Monsters thing. She helped EDM to be more trendy. Doin extravagant costumes and things was COOL thanks to her..........ETC

Edited October 22, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Solaria]

Yeah absolutely she did. Combine that with her fibromyalgia and the pain she was experiencing due to trauma it makes sense why she started slowing it down. 

[Shimenawa]

Yeah she gave so much but now it's crickets.. her passion for pop music seems lost

[J-esper]

Yes, but she also kinda had to. Gaga rise to fame started rocky, but she was catapulted to a height that also would not have been able to be stopped easily.

We are talking about a time where physical/recorded promo was still needed for basically any act. A lot of tour legs were aligned with promo oppertunities in different regions.

I think anyone in her shoes would have wanted to work that full 150% even if unhealthy because the entertainment industry is fickle, your 'spot' can be taken sooner than later.

She literally was at top of the world and I doubt anyone around her, including herself wanted the train to stop since it is hard to predict what the future brings.

 

I think you can say the same for Justin Bieber or even Britney who at a young age was catapulted into a global idol. Everybody around him/her wanted to milk that as much as they could. Not saying that is right, but with the way they rose to fame there is also less time to sit still and look outside the bubble created. And it also is easy to take advantage of someone who is inside such bubble when they are flown to 3 different continent in one week.

 

The example of Taylor is also very different since she had a complete different trajctory. Taylor started out as a country pop star and her career was big in the US when she started but internationally she slowly grew into what she is today. She had more room to gradually take the needed steps and to also search for the right people and protection when needed. Despite also facing enough negativity and events down the line. And I am not underestimated the hate or path she walked but it was very different to the other people mentioned

[wulmite]

8 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

I love Taylor with all my heart and she's also impressive in so many ways but when people act like 1989 was bigger i laugh so much  (Have seen some comments like that here)

Gaga in 2009-2010 was  a huge cultural phenomenon WORLDWIDE. Michael Jackson levels of huge.

She was not only a music star. She was a fashion icon. A Visual-Music Videos Innovator. Everyone was confused with her. She invented so many concepts. All The flashmoobs honoring her. The Little Monsters thing. She helped EDM to be more trendy. Doin extravagant costumes and things was COOL thanks to her..........ETC

I know MTV and is dead and gone nowadays but I remember when they reserved 15min of their schedule to show the Telephone video in full, it was crazy 

 

[Kayseri Mantisi]

[AvadaKedavra]

4 minutes ago, Shimenawa said:

Yeah she gave so much but now it's crickets.. her passion for pop music seems lost

Looks like she really had a rough time in 2019-2020.   She was totally exhausted with Fame and livin in a Golden Cage....but after the Pandemic i think she appreciates her life more and is not bothered about solitude and the bad perks of fame  Maybe her love for Music is here again and she's cooking something great????  
Of course....Something more akin to her taste today. More maturer Gaga. Less dancey maybe?


Everytime i watch Gaga interviews i feel like shes a beautiful human being with so much kindness but a haunted soul. She's been through a lot since childhood  
I feel like Depressive moments are part of her life and she's always trying to rise above them  Her Love Life has clearly damaged her a lot



I wouldnt discount how disease can affect her mood too. I think Selena Gomez have the same problem. Havin a Chronic disease can be really bad for your mental health
You miss your old healthy self and you can get bitter.  All those pain medications are also mood changers   

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Yes absolutely. Janet also said during the height of "The Fame" era that she loves Gaga but she worries for how much she works.  Janet also said she had to slow down a little. Tbh, Gaga didnt start taking it slowly until she broke her hip on the Born This Way ball.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by KatyPrismSpirit

[Heldenzeit]

But she lives for the applause 

[John Slayne]

yes, but this is common knowledge and one of the reasons why the ARTPOP era was such a disaster for her. it was the culmination of her exhaustion, drug use, and being surrounded by money-hungry people who didn't actually care about her outside of her best-selling career. i love ARTPOP as an album, but i understand why she says things like 'i don't remember artpop'. it was a dark time in her life and she 100% deserves better, even if it means less content for her fans. i'd rather wait 6 years for her next pop album than watch her overwork herself and damage her health even more. 

[Abracadabra]

Yeah she was overworked and exhausted after her first 5/6 years, but I also don't buy that she doesn't care about her music career anymore just because she hasn't released a studio album in three years. She's just in a different phase of her career where she is trying new things and opening more avenues for herself, I don't get why people seriously think that an artist is going to be on the same schedule of a new album every 1/2 years for their entire career. Gaga's gap between albums aren't even that long anyway.

[BrokenMachine]

Yes. Just the way the Monster Ball Tour wasn't even over yet when she kicked off the Born This Way era 

 

She was everywhere, she was the moment, but also I feel this is why she parted ways with her manager right at the start of the Artpop era

[GraceRandolph]

The idea that Gaga doesn't have passion or work ethic now is ridiculous. She has toured, done residency shows, released music, filmed movies, and more. She just isn't overworking herself like she did when she was with Troy Carter. Also, she is an established name now so it doesn't make sense to do as much promotion as she did during her debut.

[BODERLINE]

I mean yeah, she 100% overworked herself. I mean she only stopped cause her hip literally forced her to

[Antikythera]

Her whole Gaga persona from the first albums is what killed her for the general public. No one could stand that BS no more and she waited to long to ditch the character and wardobre.

 

Then she went totally bland with that boring Joanne stuff.

 

She should focus in being an actress cause her musical career is pretty much done.

[Artur]

15 minutes ago, Antikythera said:

Her whole Gaga persona from the first albums is what killed her for the general public. No one could stand that BS no more and she waited to long to ditch the character and wardobre.

 

Then she went totally bland with that boring Joanne stuff.

 

She should focus in being an actress cause her musical career is pretty much done.

How?  

 

She just had a successful sold out Stadium tour for her latest album, her Vegas residency is earning her millions of dollars (ranking her as one of the top touring artists of the year) and her catalogue streams are really good. Everyone respect her voice and talent, music legends collab with her and younger artists have her as a big influence. Just because she is not on top of the charts anymore doesn't mean she is over musically. She is far from being done and will keep releasing, writing and performing music forever.

 

Let's not forget that Chroma won her another Grammy and last year she was nominated for BOS at the Oscars for a third time.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Artur

[AvadaKedavra]

6 minutes ago, Artur said:

How?  

 

She just had a successful sold out Stadium tour for her latest album, her Vegas residency is earning her millions of dollars (ranking her as one of the top touring artists of the year) and her catalogue streams are really good. Everyone respect her voice and talent, music legends collab with her and younger artists have her as a big influence. Just because she is not on top of the charts anymore doesn't mean she is over musically. She is far from being done and will keep releasing, writing and performing music forever.

There's so many unexplored roads for her.

We need a strong synthpop-experimental album. A rock one. Something urban maybe?  its very exciting. She could take so many routes this decade.
Cant wair for next year

[Popboi.]

Gaga had an abusive team and has an autoimmune disease stopping what SHE wanted to do with her career, that’s probably more draining and frustrating to her than the overworking part.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Popboi.

[Artur]

13 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

There's so many unexplored roads for her.

We need a strong synthpop-experimental album. A rock one. Something urban maybe?  its very exciting. She could take so many routes this decade.
Cant wair for next year

Yess!  

 

I would love something chill from her next, her latest releases were so "loud and shouty". A moody R&B-ish album could be amazing. Or maybe lots of mid tempos / pure-pop songs (seeing how these are the kind of songs from her catalogue that usually go viral). Rock album when she is 45 and an album full of gorgeous ballads in her late 40s/early 50s!

 

She still has the "Christmas album" card in her hands too. 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Artur

[nostalgic]

Artists grow up, it's part of life. I never expected her to still be pulling the same antics she was pulling in 2009 15 years later. She's had a natural career progression as she's gotten older for someone of her calibre and passion for the arts. I appreciate her for what she was, is and will evolve to be as time goes on. Mistakes were made along the way, big whoop - that's the way it goes. 

Edited October 22, 2023 by nostalgic