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[CarCAL22]

3 minutes ago, XSuperior said:

I thought it sold 9 million according to her fans but it’s already on discount? Weird. It’s hilarious that she had someone else read her audio book, on brand truly. I’m still deciding if I want a copy but I’ll wait until it’s even more discounted since they obviously overestimated the demand. I’m happy for her success, 400k debut is great. 

Why even troll at this point? Discounted books first week of release is nothing new to big releases.. but you would know if you actually have ever bought and read books, but it seems you probably don’t even read.  
 

400k sold in ONE day is more than any project xtina will sell in its lifetime twice over because she simply is not that girl. 
 

please keep it moving. 

[slw84]

5 hours ago, Antikythera said:

it is more like Britney is the American Billie since she debuted feel months earlier. She now has a series about a former teen pop singer who is going crazy, much based in some of her experiences, I think she writes it too it is called "I Hate Suzie" and its on HBO Max, I liked it. She was on Dr Who, and she started at a series about a woman who paid her university costs by prostituting called "Secret Diaries of a Call Girl" that was pretty good.

 

 

No disrespect to Biliie but outside of being young, dancing, and having her first single do better than anticipated I'm not getting the comparison. I remember in the moment people saying Britney was the BAmerican billie and billie was the British Britney but I just watched her visuals and listen to her singles for her two albums.

First, her first few singles were originally for black r&b artists and they used her racially ambiguous appeal to whitewash those r&b songs into disco tracks.

 

There's no unique vision that set her apart and most f her singles sound like whitewashed r&b. They knew what they were doing with her look because she appealed to different groups.

Also, outside of her handful of hit singles her album sales didn't match but I  do see why they selected her but she essentially was what people figured Britney would be before she kept shifting her sound and viusals to keep it unique and one of a kind like (Oops, Slave, Toxic etc.)

 

If Britney didn't have a vision of modernizing pop music she'd likely have had a Billie esque career.

 

And why does one of her song sound like they tried to remake an All Saints classic "Never Ever" my goodness. 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by slw84

[XSuperior]

4 minutes ago, CarCAL22 said:

Why even troll at this point? Discounted books first week of release is nothing new to big releases.. but you would know if you actually have ever bought and read books, but it seems you probably don’t even read.  
 

400k sold in ONE day is more than any project xtina will sell in its lifetime twice over because she simply is not that girl. 
 

please keep it moving. 

It’s funny how Britney fans make stats up, like it’s not that serious. Claiming the book sold 9 million is so cringe 

 

im glad the book is doing ok though considering how much people make fun of her online 
 

 

[Antikythera]

14 minutes ago, slw84 said:

No disrespect to Biliie but outside of being young, dancing, and having her first single do better than anticipated I'm not getting the comparison. I remember in the moment people saying Britney was the BAmerican billie and billie was the British Britney but I just watched her visuals and listen to her singles for her two albums.

First, her first few singles were originally for black r&b artists and they used her racially ambiguous appeal to whitewash those r&b songs into disco tracks.

 

There's no unique vision that set her apart and most f her singles sound like whitewashed r&b. They knew what they were doing with her look because she appealed to different groups.

Also, outside of her handful of hit singles her album sales didn't match but I  do see why they selected her but she essentially was what people figured Britney would be before she kept shifting her sound and viusals to keep it unique and one of a kind like (Oops, Slave, Toxic etc.)

 

If Britney didn't have a vision of modernizing pop music she'd likely have had a Billie esque career.

 

And why does one of her song sound like they tried to remake an All Saints classic "Never Ever" my goodness. 

 

She and Britney were performers first. I wont get into whitewash cause i think its silly. She done the sound popular on that time and if im not mistaken is swedish produced like Britney. bomt was also very whitewashed r&b.

 

This could totally be a Britney song:

 

 

This could be a bomt era performance

 

 

 

[CarCAL22]

17 minutes ago, XSuperior said:

It’s funny how Britney fans make stats up, like it’s not that serious. Claiming the book sold 9 million is so cringe 

 

im glad the book is doing ok though considering how much people make fun of her online 
 

 

Comedian Heather McDonald was who threw that 9 million number out there, obviously a few fan twitters ran with it who cares. 

This book is the opposite of underwhelming. It’s already in the top 5 best sellers of 2023 on Amazon and it’s not even been a week. That’s big. 
 

No matter how much you hate to see her succeed, it’s happening. I suggest you stop wasting energy hating on this woman. 

[slw84]

42 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

 

She's starting...

[discotraxxx]

is this the general topic of britneys book?

why her manager larry barely exists in *that world

 

 

[slw84]

6 minutes ago, Antikythera said:

She and Britney were performers first. I wont get into whitewash cause i think its silly. She done the sound popular on that time and if im not mistaken is swedish produced like Britney. bomt was also very whitewashed r&b.

 

This could totally be a Britney song:

 

 

This could be a bomt era performance

 

 

 

Fair enough. BOMT was originally made for TLC but they passed on it.

 

My point was the documentary I linked shows that Billie was a cute girl who gave Mariah Carey ambiguity and did push dancing more than singing BUT she didn't have a vision beyond putting out songs that actually sound similar to Mandy Moore's Candy and Xtina's Come on over.

 

I remember in 1999 when I first stanned Britney they were discussing Billie Piper and outside of the fact that her debut song hit #1 on UK and made history and that she pushed dancing more than singing I'm not seeing how the comparison kept coming as Biliie's albums didn't do well despite her single success and she was dropped after album #2 underperformed even though her debut album underperformed for having 2 #1s and 2 top 3 hits.

 

What i HAD to remember is that even in hindsight rolling stone magazine and other outlets started giving her flower over the last 5-10 years.

 

In 1999, despite Baby one more time revamping the teen pop blueprint most people dismissed it as no big deal...which makes sense why Billie comparisons existed. I mean the compared Britney to Debbie gibson at one point.

 

No disrespect to Billie but it seemed like they didn't see that there was a stark difference in someone changing the game and someone being young and having hits.

 

Maybe that's why Britney was such an underdog even when she was the top pop star.

 

Thank you for reminding me of Billie because after watching her documentary it only reinforces what could have happened to Britney had she just put out for the moment disposable pop songs. Of course she had a few but most of her songs shifted pop music in a direction.

 

Britney could have easily been Billie had they pushed I will be there (the original first single) or went with the label's idea for BOMT.

 

I hope volume 2 covers more in depth detail about her music and her take on how people downplayed her early in her career.

[slw84]

10 minutes ago, CarCAL22 said:

Comedian Heather McDonald was who threw that 9 million number out there, obviously a few fan twitters ran with it who cares. 

This book is the opposite of underwhelming. It’s already in the top 5 best sellers of 2023 on Amazon and it’s not even been a week. That’s big. 
 

No matter how much you hate to see her succeed, it’s happening. I suggest you stop wasting energy hating on this woman. 

Exactly and she didn't say it as a fact. She's not a Britney stan either.

 

I just know the people wanted this to flop because of her Instagram account and the fact she didn't do a sitdown interview but she doesn't need a sitdown interview or a carefully crafted image. The world has been on a journey with her and wants to know her take.

 

This book helps connects the dots without giving it all away.

 

It's almost as if they intended to cover the surface with a few moments of diving deep but is probably saving the true deep dive for volumes 2 and possibly 3.

 

Genius.

 

Can't wait for volume 2 next year.

[XSuperior]

39 minutes ago, CarCAL22 said:

Comedian Heather McDonald was who threw that 9 million number out there, obviously a few fan twitters ran with it who cares. 

This book is the opposite of underwhelming. It’s already in the top 5 best sellers of 2023 on Amazon and it’s not even been a week. That’s big. 
 

No matter how much you hate to see her succeed, it’s happening. I suggest you stop wasting energy hating on this woman. 

I don’t hate Britney I want what’s best for her and I’m sad her life is so tragic tbh. 

[Antikythera]

2 minutes ago, slw84 said:

Fair enough. BOMT was originally made for TLC but they passed on it.

 

My point was the documentary I linked shows that Billie was a cute girl who gave Mariah Carey ambiguity and did push dancing more than singing BUT she didn't have a vision beyond putting out songs that actually sound similar to Mandy Moore's Candy and Xtina's Come on over.

 

I remember in 1999 when I first stanned Britney they were discussing Billie Piper and outside of the fact that her debut song hit #1 on UK and made history and that she pushed dancing more than singing I'm not seeing how the comparison kept coming as Biliie's albums didn't do well despite her single success and she was dropped after album #2 underperformed even though her debut album underperformed for having 2 #1s and 2 top 3 hits.

 

What i HAD to remember is that even in hindsight rolling stone magazine and other outlets started giving her flower over the last 5-10 years.

 

In 1999, despite Baby one more time revamping the teen pop blueprint most people dismissed it as no big deal...which makes sense why Billie comparisons existed. I mean the compared Britney to Debbie gibson at one point.

 

No disrespect to Billie but it seemed like they didn't see that there was a stark difference in someone changing the game and someone being young and having hits.

 

Maybe that's why Britney was such an underdog even when she was the top pop star.

 

Thank you for reminding me of Billie because after watching her documentary it only reinforces what could have happened to Britney had she just put out for the moment disposable pop songs. Of course she had a few but most of her songs shifted pop music in a direction.

 

Britney could have easily been Billie had they pushed I will be there (the original first single) or went with the label's idea for BOMT.

 

I hope volume 2 covers more in depth detail about her music and her take on how people downplayed her early in her career.

You are getting this the wrong way. I didnt say they were the same person, but similar. They debuted around the same time, around the same age, breaking same records on their countries, doing pop music with R&B flavor, heavily choreographed, heavily limp synched, both were great dancers and performers.

 

They both had their lives turn into a nightmare because of the unfair press coverage, they both were treated like untalented trash who cant sing, they both were overworked till burnout by their record companies. They both developed mental health issues due their carreer dynamics and public lives.

 

Britney was a hit from day one, Billie also. Their markets were super different. In that time it made a lot of difference if u were American or English, ur work would already have less power if not American. The Spice Girl got a hit on America and this was so big because it was so rare. So naturally Billie never had a fair chance to be a global superstar and her market was mainly Europe and some places in Asia and Oceania. I remember she even got airplay here (Brazil) and did some interviews for our market but that was it.

 

Her being dropped after her second album was routine in the UK. The UK market was much more unforgiven, many UK girls from the time had their carreers over if a single didnt hit #1, example: Samantha Mumba "the black irish Britney" who had a hot 100 top 5 on her debut single, she was let go after the lead of her sophomore was only top 5 in the UK, they scrapped her second album and she never had another chance, this was someone who at her peak we chosen by Steven Spilberg to stat at the high budget movie "The Time Machine" with no prior act experience, meaning she was big promise and her carreer was done before a second album.

 

So, they are similar. BOMT, no only the song is pretty much whitewashed r&b, hell eveb Britney is whitewashed r&b, pop is a genre where you pick a "pure" style and make it palatable for the general public, in a sense everything in pop music is whitewashed or "popularized" even black pop artist will do that, this is pop. I never get it what white pop girls should sing, opera? And wasnt classical european music who really laid out modern music? All the theory and chords progression, not saying they invented, but they organized into a way it is still being used now? Thats why I find silly talking about whitewashed pop. If it was a white girl faking black culture like Iggy did or even black people like Drake who never led a gangster life at any moment of his life, ok I would think its cultural appropiation, even though I think u can built a person and a fantasy through music. I grew up listening to r&b, im white, but r&b is a big part of my life, if I was to do music it would have that influence, it means I was trying to whitewash a culture?

 

Britney and Billie both grew up with Michael Jackson, Mariah, Whitney, Toni Braxton and many others.

 

Now, I see the Mariah physical similarities.  Also Britneys and Billies voices are totally different.

 

U talk about Mandy, but she was also very similar to Britney, that whole sound was what was in at that time. The thing is Mandy was never a performer and her oversinging gave way to a much more sweet voice in her later works.

 

All of them tried to havr something unique but all of them were part of the same pop music scenery, so a lot of similarities because every record company wanted their Bille/Britney.

 

The thing is Billie and Britney happaned almost simultaneously, so they didnt copy each other.

 

If u wanna really talk about copy, Robyn was the first popstar to have that sound and it was created by Max Martin in 1996/1997. Robyn was not a performer. Billie and Britney brought the whole MJ, Madonna, Janet to the mix. Then u can name Aaliyah who was another very young girl bring that pop r&b with performance. But she was the product of, in part, R Kelly who made a lot of pop hits in the 90s with that r&b vibe.

 

So everything comes full circle if u go listening to what was hot, who was behind it and all.

[slw84]

11 hours ago, Antikythera said:

You are getting this the wrong way. I didnt say they were the same person, but similar. They debuted around the same time, around the same age, breaking same records on their countries, doing pop music with R&B flavor, heavily choreographed, heavily limp synched, both were great dancers and performers.

 

They both had their lives turn into a nightmare because of the unfair press coverage, they both were treated like untalented trash who cant sing, they both were overworked till burnout by their record companies. They both developed mental health issues due their carreer dynamics and public lives.

 

Britney was a hit from day one, Billie also. Their markets were super different. In that time it made a lot of difference if u were American or English, ur work would already have less power if not American. The Spice Girl got a hit on America and this was so big because it was so rare. So naturally Billie never had a fair chance to be a global superstar and her market was mainly Europe and some places in Asia and Oceania. I remember she even got airplay here (Brazil) and did some interviews for our market but that was it.

 

Her being dropped after her second album was routine in the UK. The UK market was much more unforgiven, many UK girls from the time had their carreers over if a single didnt hit #1, example: Samantha Mumba "the black irish Britney" who had a hot 100 top 5 on her debut single, she was let go after the lead of her sophomore was only top 5 in the UK, they scrapped her second album and she never had another chance, this was someone who at her peak we chosen by Steven Spilberg to stat at the high budget movie "The Time Machine" with no prior act experience, meaning she was big promise and her carreer was done before a second album.

 

So, they are similar. BOMT, no only the song is pretty much whitewashed r&b, hell eveb Britney is whitewashed r&b, pop is a genre where you pick a "pure" style and make it palatable for the general public, in a sense everything in pop music is whitewashed or "popularized" even black pop artist will do that, this is pop. I never get it what white pop girls should sing, opera? And wasnt classical european music who really laid out modern music? All the theory and chords progression, not saying they invented, but they organized into a way it is still being used now? Thats why I find silly talking about whitewashed pop. If it was a white girl faking black culture like Iggy did or even black people like Drake who never led a gangster life at any moment of his life, ok I would think its cultural appropiation, even though I think u can built a person and a fantasy through music. I grew up listening to r&b, im white, but r&b is a big part of my life, if I was to do music it would have that influence, it means I was trying to whitewash a culture?

 

Britney and Billie both grew up with Michael Jackson, Mariah, Whitney, Toni Braxton and many others.

 

Now, I see the Mariah physical similarities.  Also Britneys and Billies voices are totally different.

 

U talk about Mandy, but she was also very similar to Britney, that whole sound was what was in at that time. The thing is Mandy was never a performer and her oversinging gave way to a much more sweet voice in her later works.

 

All of them tried to havr something unique but all of them were part of the same pop music scenery, so a lot of similarities because every record company wanted their Bille/Britney.

 

The thing is Billie and Britney happaned almost simultaneously, so they didnt copy each other.

 

If u wanna really talk about copy, Robyn was the first popstar to have that sound and it was created by Max Martin in 1996/1997. Robyn was not a performer. Billie and Britney brought the whole MJ, Madonna, Janet to the mix. Then u can name Aaliyah who was another very young girl bring that pop r&b with performance. But she was the product of, in part, R Kelly who made a lot of pop hits in the 90s with that r&b vibe.

 

So everything comes full circle if u go listening to what was hot, who was behind it and all.

Yeah Robyn had a sound but was pushed more in the R&B lane and I remember seeing them book her for r&B shows.

 

Britney was teen pop so it's not the same. Britney wouldn't have smashed with Show me love. Max also worked with BSB but it wasn't until Baby one more time that he hit his stride...

 

Yes, I can see some surface level similarities with Billie and Britney but it goes back to my point. The reason people were comparing was because of those surface level similarities.

 

They wrote Britney off. asa one hit wonder, then a one album wonder, then only hot for teen pop dominance.

Britney Spears without Baby one more time, You drive me crazy, Oops, Slave, Boys remix, MATM, Toxic, Everytime would have been just like Billie, Atomic kitten, Jessica, Mandy etc.

So I get at the time they just considered Britney the leader. of the pack but Britney was different and that kept her ahead for that long.

 

I have nothing against Billie. I listened to her singles and saw her little dance moves nd thought they were cute but I could see why they marketed her. I'm just shocked how quickly they drop artists over in the UK. They really don't give you a chance to flop flop. Just an underperformance is enough to cute you. That was sad to watch in her documentary.

 

Britney was not whitewashed R&B. BOMT is the only song as that was meant for TLC but her other singles in teen pop were bubble gum/teen pop. Even Slave for you is not R&B...it might have undertones but it was very much pop and dance and rhythmic. Robyn was. Billie was. Her singles for her first album sound like Mandy Moore Candy/Xtina Come all over. For her second album, it sounded like Jessica Simpson's Irresistible. 

 

that said, I hope volume 2 covers some of this stuff because it would be interesting to see how she took comparisons and competition.

 

 

[BGood2Me]

Sold 91k first week in UK

 

She had a #1 book in UK more fast than a fkn #1 album 

[BGood2Me]

https://www.thebookseller.com/bestsellers/its-britney-spears-memoir-tops-the-uk-charts-and-sets-ss-record

 

 

Faster than a #1 album

 

Also #1 in Germany  with 120k first week

#1 in France

https://www.tf1info.fr/culture/la-femme-en-moi-britney-spears-ne-fait-pas-d-ombre-au-prince-harry-en-librairies-mais-fait-deja-rever-hollywood-2274898.html

 

#1 Australia

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by BGood2Me

[kataraqueen]

giving the UK its best memoir right after giving it its best monument? A legend I know that's right

[Hector]

Yas, great sales

[slw84]

22 minutes ago, BGood2Me said:

https://www.thebookseller.com/bestsellers/its-britney-spears-memoir-tops-the-uk-charts-and-sets-ss-record

 

Faster than a #1 album

[geddymonster]

And that’s only print copies? Wow.

[slw84]

Can't wait for the #1 on NYT best seller's list tomorrow.

[Richie.Valdez]

The second best-selling memoir of the year just after 1 week of sales and just behind Prince Harry? 
 

Britney the LEGEND that you are 

[crf13]

Living legend you can look but don’t touch 

[naval23]

A #1 UK book not everyone has that 

[Odette Violet]

Princess of Pop and Literacy 

[Keeandga]

You can’t spell British without Brit(ney) 

[Cain]

33 minutes ago, kataraqueen said:

giving the UK its best memoir right after giving it its best monument? A legend I know that's right

Ah yes I love the Big Ben!