charts discussion Mariah sells almost 150,000 tickets in 9 days for Xmas Tour 2023

[suburbannature]

6 minutes ago, Queen. said:

the only time you here at Mariah is around Christmas

And yet had more streams than every other 80s/90s diva act on Spotify/YouTube for the first six months of the year. goes viral with a new TikTok song each month.

 

She’s 54-years-old. The fact that her Christmas music is THIS big is not some kind of drag because no other popular artist had been able to do this with their holiday music despite most trying. This annual domination is just the cherry on top of a legendary career.

 

5 hours ago, tiagol88 said:

She never had a tour selling $20M over the past decade?

And she needed to promote it as a Xmas tour, which is her strong point? omg 

#1s to Infinity (2015-2017) limited residency grossed 24 million. 
 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by suburbannature

[exfactor003]

13 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

It literally says the completed tour sold 30 million but North American figures were declined to be posted. The NA data we have is for the first leg. So Stevvy was correct in saying the $40 total. It’s actually closer to $45 million.

 

Is math not your strong suit? 

no, what it says word-for-word is, "he (her agent at the time) declined to specify the U.S. gross." you seem to for some reason be under the impression that that means that he doesn't know what it was. mind you, this article was published less than two months after the tour's end. we have since been made aware of almost all of the North American data, including that of 5 out of 8 dates of the second U.S. leg (which you appear to think went entirely unreported).

 

$45 million? please.

[ctlp27]

I'm tempted to buy one but not sure what is her vocal status now?

[suburbannature]

Just now, exfactor003 said:

no, what it says word-for-word is, "he (her agent at the time) declined to specify the U.S. gross." you seem to for some reason be under the impression that that means that he doesn't know what it was. mind you, this article was published less than two months after the tour's end. we have since been made aware of almost all of the North American data, including that of 5 out of 8 dates of the second U.S. leg (which you appear to think went entirely unreported).

 

$45 million? please.

Again, stevyy said the tout grossed 40 million. Your source lists the international gross as $30 million. The first leg of the NA tour sold around $7 million. In total, the NA legs added together (est.) were around 13-14 million. Total - $42-45 million. $40 million absolute lowest.

 

Stay in school.

 

 

[stevyy]

28 minutes ago, Queen. said:

the only time you here at Mariah is around Christmas

That's only been somewhat the case this year. However, in 2023 she gave us Music Box30, a new It's a Wrap EP and performed on 2 Festivals in the summer. 

 

Last year, she had a hit single, called Big Energy Remix which charted in Ireland, UK, Australia and NZ. <3

 

Maybe R&B Hip Hop is not your genre of music. 

[exfactor003]

48 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Again, stevyy said the tout grossed 40 million. Your source lists the international gross as $30 million. The first leg of the NA tour sold around $7 million. In total, the NA legs added together (est.) were around 13-14 million. Total - $42-45 million. $40 million absolute lowest.

 

Stay in school.

I'm just not sure on what planet 'the complete tour grossed $30 million' means the same thing as 'the international dates grossed $30 million.' I'm bound to believe a pretty finite statement from her agent at the time over a random lamb who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

in any case, $13-14 million from the North American legs? you're going to have to provide something to back up such a wild claim, because I guarantee that even stevyy doesn't agree with that. we have individual box scores from 25 of the 33 North American dates that add up to $6,552,157 - are we to believe that the remaining 8 (Morrison, San Diego, Orlando, Mashantucket, Cincinnati, Tucson, Las Vegas (second show), and Costa Mesa) grossed the same amount?

[suburbannature]

7 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

I'm just not sure on what planet 'the complete tour grossed $30 million' means the same thing as 'the international dates grossed $30 million.' I'm bound to believe a pretty finite statement from her agent at the time over a random lamb who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

in any case, $13-14 million from the North American legs? you're going to have to provide something to back up such a wild claim, because I guarantee that even stevyy doesn't agree with that. we have individual box scores from 25 of the 33 North American dates that add up to $6,552,157 - are we to believe that the remaining 8 (Morrison, San Diego, Orlando, Mashantucket, Cincinnati, Tucson, Las Vegas (second show), and Costa Mesa) grossed the same amount?

Because the article is about the international tour and basic reading comprehension can tell you that the $30 million figure he provided excludes the NA figures he declined to provide. 
 

30 million international, 6.5 million first NA leg - 36.5 million and yet you scoffed at Stevvy’s CORRECT 40 million figure. If you go by averages (350k), the tour lands at almost exactly 40 million.

deflect all you want but your original attempt at being cute and shady was invalid. I think it’s telling you chose to hyperfocus on a post-Glitter mostly theater and amphitheater NA tour. 
 

 

[exfactor003]

3 hours ago, suburbannature said:

Because the article is about the international tour and basic reading comprehension can tell you that the $30 million figure he provided excludes the NA figures he declined to provide.

 

30 million international, 6.5 million first NA leg - 36.5 million and yet you scoffed at Stevvy’s CORRECT 40 million figure. If you go by averages (350k), the tour lands at almost exactly 40 million.

deflect all you want but your original attempt at being cute and shady was invalid. I think it’s telling you chose to hyperfocus on a post-Glitter mostly theater and amphitheater NA tour. 

no, basic reading comprehension tells us that the article is about the tour as a whole, and how the U.S. dates and those elsewhere contrast. I'd suggest that you read it again.

 

funny that I am the one who is allegedly deflecting (literally where?), when you never bothered to address my request for the updated ticket count from Touring Data that you are so sure he posted.

 

I chose to focus on that laughable Charmbracelet World Tour sum because there is something wrong with inventing nonsense numbers in an attempt to brag. regarding it being 'telling,' don't bother trying that with me when I am seeing her twice next month (my 10th and 11th Mariah concerts).

[Virtual_Insanity]

Excellent Christmas performance as expected from Mariah. 

 

She should really capitalize on the hype and launch a new era/ album and tour in January. 

[suburbannature]

5 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

no, basic reading comprehension tells us that the article is about the tour as a whole, and how the U.S. dates and those elsewhere contrast. I'd suggest that you read it again.

 

funny that I am the one who is allegedly deflecting (literally where?), when you never bothered to address my request for the updated ticket count from Touring Data that you are so sure he posted.

 

I chose to focus on that laughable Charmbracelet World Tour sum because there is something wrong with inventing nonsense numbers in an attempt to brag. regarding it being 'telling,' don't bother trying that with me when I am seeing her twice next month (my 10th and 11th Mariah concerts).

And at the end of the day stevvy was correct with his 40 million figure and you look desperate coming into this thread trying and failing for a shady moment. 

[exfactor003]

3 hours ago, suburbannature said:

And at the end of the day stevvy was correct with his 40 million figure and you look desperate coming into this thread trying and failing for a shady moment. 

now this is a deflection if ever I have seen one. 

[suburbannature]

Just now, exfactor003 said:

now this is a deflection if ever I have seen one. 

It’s a redirect to the original argument you made and tried to divert from 

[exfactor003]

5 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

It’s a redirect to the original argument you made and tried to divert from 

except that I’m not even the one who brought the Charmbracelet World Tour up in the first place, I merely corrected a laughable inaccuracy about it.

 

still waiting on you to do the very simple task of sharing the updated ticket count from Touring Data (which was your original argument towards me). you’ve had over nine hours to do so.

[Power love]

I’m excited to go 

[suburbannature]

24 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

except that I’m not even the one who brought the Charmbracelet World Tour up in the first place, I merely corrected a laughable inaccuracy about it.

 

still waiting on you to do the very simple task of sharing the updated ticket count from Touring Data (which was your original argument towards me). you’ve had over nine hours to do so.

Lol at you still in denial about stevyy being correct after having the receipts shown to you. And yes, YOU jumped in to try to contradict him and ended up looking like boo-boo the fool.

[exfactor003]

3 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Lol at you still in denial about stevyy being correct after having the receipts shown to you. And yes, YOU jumped in to try to contradict him and ended up looking like boo-boo the fool.

this doesn't compute, when neither you nor stevyy have provided a single receipt for this alleged $40 million gross (or $45 million, as you claim). but by all means, please share them! @stevyy

Edited October 17, 2023 by exfactor003

[suburbannature]

26 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

this doesn't compute, when neither you nor stevyy have provided a single receipt for this alleged $40 million gross (or $45 million, as you claim). but by all means, please share them! @stevyy

You couldn't even comprehend your own source, love. It was referring to global tours. 

 

The lead-in on the cover:

 

Quote

Euro Tours Are in the Pink
With American music fans more fickle and forgetful than ever, many acts are increasingly scoring their biggest paydays overseas. Veterans Mariah Carey, Bon Jovi, and Lionel Richie are among the attractions and continue to do well on the global circuit.

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(Image caption) Although Mariah Carey's career is on the wane in the United States, she is still a top attraction in European and Asian countries.

...

EURO TOURS
(cont from page 1)

 

Carey's agent specified that the global tour grossed 30mil and declined to specify the US total. 

 

Yet you blatantly insisted that the article was about touring as a whole when it very clearly specifies that it is about global touring for American acts. I will find a Hooked on Phonics link for you so you can avoid this type of embarrassment again. 

[exfactor003]

5 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

You couldn't even comprehend your own source, love. It was referring to global tours. 

...a.k.a. what I have been saying this entire time. the global total (marked by the words 'the complete tour') was $30 million as per her agent at the time, but he declined to specify how much the U.S. dates contributed to that (probably because the sum is very much underwhelming). we have since been made privy of 24 of the 32 individual U.S. box scores, totaling $6,192,836.

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

...a.k.a. what I have been saying this entire time. 

 

5 hours ago, exfactor003 said:

no, basic reading comprehension tells us that the article is about the tour as a whole

 

 

 

 

The focus of the article was on global touring for American veteran acts. The context of the word "complete" refers to the global legs referenced in the article and excludes US figures that he did not provide. 

 

Again, you chose to die on the hill of negating @stevyy's figures associated with Mariah Carey's post-Glitter tour since her current success in selling out arenas doesn't fit the petty narrative you attempted to push. 

[exfactor003]

20 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

 

 

The focus of the article was on global touring for American veteran acts. The context of the word "complete" refers to the global legs referenced in the article and excludes US figures that he did not provide. 

 

Again, you chose to die on the hill of negating @stevyy's figures associated with Mariah Carey's post-Glitter tour since her current success in selling out arenas doesn't fit the petty narrative you attempted to push. 

apparently, you are under the impression that 'global' and 'non-U.S.' mean the same thing. funny, seeing as how on three separate occasions in this thread you have insinuated that I need to return to school.

 

my 'narrative' is nothing but realistic. the only reason why you view it as petty is because it doesn't align with what you want it to. either way, this can easily be put to rest once you share the updated ticket count from Touring Data (granted, this request will be ignored for a fourth time).

[exfactor003]

@stevyy, in an attempt to figure out where the $40 million sum for the Charmbracelet World Tour originated, I came across this 9 year-old post of yours on UKmix that suggested that it grossed $65.6 million. in order for you to have bumped your estimation down by $25.6 million, you must have seen a reputable source to suggest that it grossed $40 million. I am wondering if you would please share it, then this can be put to rest.

[suburbannature]

6 minutes ago, exfactor003 said:

apparently, you are under the impression that 'global' and 'non-U.S.' mean the same thing. funny, seeing as how on three separate occasions in this thread you have insinuated that I need to return to school.

 

my 'narrative' is nothing but realistic. the only reason why you view it as petty is because it doesn't align with what you want it to. either way, this can easily be put to rest once you share the updated ticket count from Touring Data (granted, this request will be ignored for a fourth time).

Lmaooo it does for US artists and their first-page blurb solidifies that. Oh, sweetie, you've truly gotten lost in the weeds this time trying to double down on misunderstanding your own source. Sad, huh

[exfactor003]

11 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Lmaooo it does for US artists and their first-page blurb solidifies that. Oh, sweetie, you've truly gotten lost in the weeds this time trying to double down on misunderstanding your own source. Sad, huh

the first page blurb states that Mariah is an act to still have done well on the global circuit. a $30 million global, a.k.a. worldwide, gross is nothing to scoff at (in her case anyway), and I never said otherwise.

 

I haven't misunderstood anything, besides why you have ignored my request for the updated Christmas ticket count a fourth time.

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, exfactor003 said:

the first page blurb states that Mariah is an act to still have done well on the global circuit. a $30 million global, a.k.a. worldwide, gross is nothing to scoff at (in her case anyway), and I never said otherwise.

 

I haven't misunderstood anything, besides why you have ignored my request for the updated Christmas ticket count a fourth time.

You're talking in circles to avoid the fact that the article was referring to international touring for American acts and the 30 mil gross was associated with that discussion. You're continuing to be shady to mask the embarrassment of you misinterpreting your own source. 

[Yuanyu]

13 hours ago, suburbannature said:

The way you had to move the goal post now that she's selling out arenas with her 1994 catalogue (who else is doing that with 30 year old Christmas music?). that's quite sad. 

 

She sold out stadiums in her prime and her impact on the industry is well-documented so your petty shade looks quite desperate.  

I don't think it's that complicated, I'm talking about nowadays, not what happened 30 years ago. 
You know what is also well documented? Ticket sales of caution tour