Communion Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. Sure, but he has more power than most… he is the POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. He’s the one who has promised unconditional aid to Israel. His press secretary denounced calls for de-escalation as “repugnant.” Please be serious 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. Him not giving his unequivocal backing to the Israeli government as he recently did would already help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letemtalk Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 The US has sent Israel a total of $158 billion (not adjusted for inflation) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding since 1948. https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/how-us-tax-dollars-have-supported-israel-and-its-military-for-75-years-and-whats-next-for-american-aid/articleshow/104400105.cms When bombs and missiles are exploding in Gaza, they are funded by the US taxpayer. The US President has a huge amount of leverage with Israel. and the people that voted for the president, voted for those bombs too. 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 The entire political spectrum show-ponying support for Israel because they think that's the popular option. **** all politicians tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropez Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Letemtalk said: The US has sent Israel a total of $158 billion (not adjusted for inflation) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding since 1948. https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/how-us-tax-dollars-have-supported-israel-and-its-military-for-75-years-and-whats-next-for-american-aid/articleshow/104400105.cms When bombs and missiles are exploding in Gaza, they are funded by the US taxpayer. The US President has a huge amount of leverage with Israel. and the people that voted for the president, voted for those bombs too. Exactly. Americans are at fault for this. And the continued bloodshed worldwide with arms purchased from the US, Americans have blood on their hands. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Trees Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 The same HRC that said Raytheon was the top LGBT workplace? Well done activist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share Posted October 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Reports are showing that the Biden admin is literally trying to bribe the Egyptian government to take in 2M Gazans as perpetual refugees and allow Israel to complete a mission of ethnically cleansing Gaza. And once Palestinians no longer live in Gaza, what do some of you think will happen to the rest remaining in the West Bank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveisdead9582 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) I’m certainly not saying Biden has done a great job by any stretch of the definition, but given the shitshow he walked into and the massive amount of red tape he has to deal with - he has done… better than his predecessor and better than Bush. Not a high bar, but not the worst. Idk what agreements the USA has signed with Israel. Some of them are public record and some aren’t. I don’t agree with what Hamas/Gaza has been doing but Israel has also done some really shitty things (very recently) so idk. I’m not connected or as educated on the whole situation over there so I can’t comment on all of it but to sit here and blame Biden for what is effectively a contractual machine set in motion by his predecessors isn’t fair. Addendum: @ClashAndBurn since you downvoted, I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter. Yes Biden promised all the unconditional aid he is able to give to Israel. I’m certainly not okay with all that Israel has done in regards to Palestinians but in this particular situation, what would you suggest and why? Edited October 15, 2023 by loveisdead9582 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 The US is the enemy of progress and we can only create a better world when it is held accountable for the immense violence and destruction inflicted. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said: I’m certainly not saying Biden has done a great job by any stretch of the definition, but given the shitshow he walked into and the massive amount of red tape he has to deal with - he has done… better than his predecessor and better than Bush. Not a high bar, but not the worst. Idk what agreements the USA has signed with Israel. Some of them are public record and some aren’t. I don’t agree with what Hamas/Gaza has been doing but Israel has also done some really shitty things (very recently) so idk. I’m not connected or as educated on the whole situation over there so I can’t comment on all of it but to sit here and blame Biden for what is effectively a contractual machine set in motion by his predecessors isn’t fair. "Not fair" when he's the most committed Zionist president we've ever had. He's not doing this out of obligation. He enthusiastically supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. He deserves ALL of the blame and more. **** Joe Biden. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zendayababes Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Biden has been the biggest zionist since the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. He could stop giving them weapons and funding their terrorism. That might be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I really do want to commend and show solidarity to all the jewish people out there standing up for what is right and standing with palestine. It really does take tremendous intelligence and guts to go against the dominant Zionist ideology in that entire religious community, especially when several of them are out here calling for and justifying genocide. My good Jewish friend is disgusted and feeling gaslit by her entire community rn and is considering renouncing her faith which is heartbreaking to hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodflowers. Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 It's powerful to see Jewish voices being brave and speaking up to stop massacre in Gaza, hopefully more join too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Great speech from Biden. Literally the most pro lgbt president we have ever had 👏🏼👏🏼🤷🤷 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 14 hours ago, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. Agreed. Also if Biden was seen as anything less than supporting Israel he would be trashed by every media outlet in this country. (Unlike Trump who can say anything he wants like praising hamas and the media ignores it) 💀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hétérosexuelle Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 “…but let me drop another billion dollar at their doorstep and some weapons” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 18, 2023 ATRL Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 9:57 PM, Sannie said: Do people think Joe Biden controls everything around the world? Even if he called for a ceasefire, the Israeli gov't would not fall in line. Of all things to say this about regarding what the presidency should or shouldn't do, foreign policy isn't one of them. This is literally the area of action the president has the most power to make moves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 18, 2023 ATRL Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 12:07 PM, GhostBox said: Agreed. Also if Biden was seen as anything less than supporting Israel he would be trashed by every media outlet in this country. Ahh, the big scary media, I'm sure the people in Gaza being bombed will understand. Part of being a leader is standing up for the right thing, even if it isn't the easiest thing to do. This is a pitiful excuse. As an example, Biden's decision to withdraw out of Afghanistan was lambasted by the media and, despite that, the majority of Americans still viewed the decision favorably. Do you think Biden should have stayed in Afghanistan due to the fear of getting pushback from the media? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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