news Update: State of emergency declared in France after terrorist attack kills teacher

[réveuse]

Absolutely horrifiying. Rest in peace to the victim.

Edited October 13, 2023 by réveuse

[myself1981]

Religion of pea... Pieces. 

[Konril]

As someone who lives in constant fear of sudden terrorist insurgency based on extreme views of religion that resulted in countless deaths, and Martial Laws being declared, I can understand France's fears.

[LikeATattoo]

And like clockwork, the usual suspects will saunter into this thread to imperiously denigrate the people expressing anger at this crime, omitting commentary on the actual perpetuator and the Medieval hellhole of a culture from which he spawned.

 

RIP to the victim.

 

Edit: Well damn…I’m shocked that I only received a mere downvote from ATRL’s resident king of intellectual dishonesty and straw man fallacies.

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by LikeATattoo

[Aethereal]

3 hours ago, Delirious said:

As of 2021, there were ten Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death.

 

increasing in disbelief – Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way.

— 4:137

... whoever trades belief for disbelief has truly strayed from the Right Way.

— 2:108

You are not ˹there˺ to compel them ˹to believe˺, But whoever turns away, persisting in disbelief, then Allah will inflict upon them the major punishment.

— 88:22–24

But if they repent, perform prayer, and pay alms-tax, then they are your brothers in faith. This is how We make the revelations clear for people of knowledge. But if they break their oaths after making a pledge and attack your faith, then fight the champions of disbelief – who never honour their oaths – so perhaps they will desist.

— 9:11–12

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them.

— Quran 4:89

Is this in context of war, where religion determined your political/war affiliation? Likely a de-convert would mean joining the enemy of Muslims. Obviously I don't support this and Islam is quite of an abusive religion (more than Christianity) but not to that extend that terrorist organizations make it to be. Non-Muslims under Muslim rule are permitted to pay a tax as second class citizens but Islam does not call for Nazi-like persecution/genocide/extermination of non-believers. 

 

Times where genocides were committed by Muslims were usually in terms of political/territorial claims like the Armenian genocide of Ottomans was no different than the genocide of Algerians committed by the French. Not many call the genocides committed by European powers as Christian derived and they shouldn't. 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Aristotle

[Aethereal]

R.I.P to victim.

[Europe]

And once more, absolutely nothing will be done about this

[Anthinos]

We need an open and honest discussion about Islam in left wing/progressive circles and left wing politicians need to stop being so weak when it comes to Islamism. This is one of the main reasons why the right is so strong in Europe. Many people are scared of Islamism and for good reasons. Conservative Islam and right wing populism are both growing and both are a danger to progressive movements. 

[Brunette Ambition]

Rest in peace to the victim. What a senseless death that could’ve been prevented :( 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Brunette Ambition

[MingYouToo]

The liberals in this thread trying to backwards ass themselves into defending the systematic violence a religion like Islam does to Western civilization.

 

At this point idgaf if they have kind refugees, or if they have non murderous children or women, at a systemic level, allowing Muslims into the Western hemisphere without proper and forced reformation is a death sentence for the West's ideologies. If the peace of the people means blocking anyone else from getting in, so be it. None of this 'b-But there are kind people in these subsect of people! Don't lump them into one!' Like society should give a ****. People are dying because of en masse immigration.

 

Out of the generosity of a nation, letting these people in, them refusing to assimilate and having them on a track record basis, hurt and kill their own citizens? Close those ******* borders. 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by MingYouToo

[MingYouToo]

52 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

We need an open and honest discussion about Islam in left wing/progressive circles and left wing politicians need to stop being so weak when it comes to Islamism. This is one of the main reasons why the right is so strong in Europe. Many people are scared of Islamism and for good reasons. Conservative Islam and right wing populism are both growing and both are a danger to progressive movements. 

The problem with leftist ideology is that we're so focused on trying to appease and 'be kind' to everyone that we're watching the people we're being kind to/extend generosity to actively harm the other people we're trying to help.

 

Leftist ideology in today's age is the definition of 'tolerance of intolerance will result in pure intolerance one day' because the people letting **** like this slide will one day no longer have the voice to fight/care, its going to be the oppressors who were 'tolerated' who will soon go after them. 

[TROJAN]

40 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

Rest in peace to the victim. What a senseless death that could’ve been prevented :( 

This. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

[Shelter]

Quote

 

According to BFMTV, the suspect cried “Allahu Akbar“

Of course.  does hearing that not scare anyone else 

[Weld_E]

The Quran is so incoherent and inconsistent that you recite certain verses for whatever narrative you have. Whilst there are verses that promote peace (that Mohammed “received” at the start of Islam when he held no power), there are other verses that call for death and violence (ones he “received” at the height of his power).

Edited October 14, 2023 by Weld_E

[Delirious]

9 hours ago, Carter said:

doesn’t look like it.

i think your household taught to fear god and religion 

 

I STUDIED ISLAM, so your household and trauma means nothing here

Why is it ALWAYS the non Muslims speaking for other people who actually grew up Muslim? The absolute audacity and delusion.

[Carter]

1 hour ago, Delirious said:

Why is it ALWAYS the non Muslims speaking for other people who actually grew up Muslim? The absolute audacity and delusion.

how did you assume im not habibi?

[Delirious]

17 minutes ago, Carter said:

how did you assume im not habibi?

Because a real Muslim would support their brothers and sisters instead of trashing someone else's experience.

 

And you would state that you are a Muslim but you didn't.

[Genius1111]

Louvre museum evacuated for 'security reasons' as France remains on high alert after knife attack (msn.com)

 

 

[truthteller]

again with the Chechen origin and “Allahu Akbar" attack

 

YIKES

 

Edited October 14, 2023 by truthteller

[Ayanaa]

On 10/13/2023 at 9:07 PM, Buffy said:

 

My friend is Muslim and she told me the Quran says killing is a sin because killing one human life is killing all of humanity. Is this true? 
 

I’m a Christian and I’ve learned it’s important to understand the context when reading verses. I think many people take verses out of context from both the Bible and Quran.

Partly. Killing in the name of jihad (holy war) is allowed, to spread the islamic faith. Killing ex Muslims, gays and Jews is also justified in the Quran.