Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Delirious said: Yes it is, but according to them, as long you murder a non-believer it is ok. Same reason why apostasy = death is accepted and why families target and kill ex Muslims even overseas. literally false 😭😭😭😭
Delirious Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Carter said: literally false 😭😭😭😭 Please shut up. I grew up in a Muslim household. You know nothing. 1
Delirious Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 As of 2021, there were ten Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death. increasing in disbelief – Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way. — 4:137 ... whoever trades belief for disbelief has truly strayed from the Right Way. — 2:108 You are not ˹there˺ to compel them ˹to believe˺, But whoever turns away, persisting in disbelief, then Allah will inflict upon them the major punishment. — 88:22–24 But if they repent, perform prayer, and pay alms-tax, then they are your brothers in faith. This is how We make the revelations clear for people of knowledge. But if they break their oaths after making a pledge and attack your faith, then fight the champions of disbelief – who never honour their oaths – so perhaps they will desist. — 9:11–12 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. — Quran 4:89 6 1
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Delirious said: Please shut up. I grew up in a Muslim household. You know nothing. doesn’t look like it. i think your household taught to fear god and religion I STUDIED ISLAM, so your household and trauma means nothing here 1 21
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said: any muslim here? isn't it murder forbidden on the quran? Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" But it could mean something I don't understand. Maybe they can explain. Tho the bible is just as violent. You know about the bible I assume. Fanatics of either religion don't really care when it was written. This is some religious fanatic acting out. The same way Hamas is a group of religious fanatics. Read their Hamas Covenant. All Jews should be killed. From the Hamas Covenant "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews)" I don't really think this person that killed this teacher represents all muslims.
Dialamba Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ScorpiosGroove said: wbk France doesn’t posses any of that we can hardly be shocked tho when we have active ministers proudly proclaiming that "it’s better to have the terrorists in France than in their home countries for easier surveillance”… seems like that’s going great One of them has been accused of sexual assault they don’t even care Edited October 13, 2023 by Dialamba
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Delirious said: As of 2021, there were ten Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death. increasing in disbelief – Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way. — 4:137 ... whoever trades belief for disbelief has truly strayed from the Right Way. — 2:108 You are not ˹there˺ to compel them ˹to believe˺, But whoever turns away, persisting in disbelief, then Allah will inflict upon them the major punishment. — 88:22–24 But if they repent, perform prayer, and pay alms-tax, then they are your brothers in faith. This is how We make the revelations clear for people of knowledge. But if they break their oaths after making a pledge and attack your faith, then fight the champions of disbelief – who never honour their oaths – so perhaps they will desist. — 9:11–12 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. — Quran 4:89 taking verses about war and self defense to try point this… post the whole “sora” not what serves you and funny you brought up the translated version of the quran context matter 4
Riverbank Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Carter said: doesn’t look like it. i think your household taught to fear god and religion I STUDIED ISLAM, so your household and trauma means nothing here Many verified Hadiths and even the Quran explicitly say that the penalty for apostasy is death. It's enforced by law in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, even today. What kind of Muslim scholar are you? Edited October 13, 2023 by Riverbank 2
Emperor Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Islam is a danger to Western society , it should be a priority for these governement to fight against it, muslim will never assimilate to our culture 6 1
Dialamba Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" But it could mean something I don't understand. Maybe they can explain. Tho the bible is just as violent. You know about the bible I assume. Fanatics of either religion don't really care when it was written. This is some religious fanatic acting out. The same way Hamas is a group of religious fanatics. Read their Hamas Covenant. All Jews should be killed. From the Hamas Covenant "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews)" I don't really think this person that killed this teacher represents all muslims. It doesn’t talk about disbelievers but polytheists In Islam it’s the biggest shirk however, we need to keep in mind it was written thousand years ago. We cannot applicate word for word this to nowadays, because killing is a sin
JustLikeHoney Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Dialamba said: It doesn’t talk about disbelievers but polytheists In Islam it’s the biggest shirk however, we need to keep in mind it was written thousand years ago. We cannot applicate word for word this to nowadays, because killing is a sin I agree. The problem isn't normal muslims or even normal christians. The problem is religious fanatics that do take it word for word and apply to today.
Riverbank Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Carter said: i never believe in hadith plus saudi in the 70s were open and liberal untill something like 9/11 happened there changed the course of history and made people fear everything tradtions isnt religion There was never a point, in Saudi Arabia's history, where apostasy wasn't punished by death. Hadiths are literally the sayings of the prophet Muhammad and used as guidance for a vast majority of Muslims. And even if you somehow don't believe in them, there are various passages in the Quran declaring death as the penalty for apostates. Muhammad himself issued a death sentence against Al-Sarh for apostasy after conquering Mecca. And that was even after he reverted to Islam. But sure 9/11 and stuff... 3
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 @Riverbank instead of hiding behind emojis educate yourself a bit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_revival
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Riverbank said: There was never a point, in Saudi Arabia's history, where apostasy wasn't punished by death. Hadiths are literally the sayings of the prophet Muhammad and used as guidance for a vast majority of Muslims. And even if you somehow don't believe in them, there are various passages in the Quran declaring death as the penalty for apostates. Muhammad himself issued a death sentence against Al-Sarh for apostasy after conquering Mecca. And that was even after he reverted to Islam. But sure 9/11 and stuff... this is the 9/11 i was talking about, idk if it has subtitles but if you speak arabic i wish you watch it they sieged the holy mosque for few days demanding an islamic state. in 2018 everyone who participate in this attack went to jail after 30 years EDIT: https://youtu.be/fktEkUfd6Z0?si=RMzCPKsVpgY6NXSQ i found an english version Edited October 13, 2023 by Carter
Take Me Apart Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 @VOSS France declares emergency alert for whole nation as imminent attack feared | World | News | Express.co.uk You might wanna add this to the Title/OP This feels so dystopic
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Take Me Apart said: @VOSS France declares emergency alert for whole nation as imminent attack feared | World | News | Express.co.uk You might wanna add this to the Title/OP This feels so dystopic damn i dont wanna go into a world war 😭😭😭😭😭😭 we already live in hell imagine if world war started omg stay safe everyone
Eóghan Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 wasn't the last attack on a teacher also a chechen? why do they all come from there? sadly giving those people such bad reputation ... 1
ScorpiosGroove Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dialamba said: One of them has been accused of sexual assaults they don’t even care i hate him so bad a whole government full of abusers, pedos and racists
Buffy Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Carter said: taking verses about war and self defense to try point this… post the whole “sora” not what serves you and funny you brought up the translated version of the quran context matter 54 minutes ago, Dialamba said: It doesn’t talk about disbelievers but polytheists In Islam it’s the biggest shirk however, we need to keep in mind it was written thousand years ago. We cannot applicate word for word this to nowadays, because killing is a sin My friend is Muslim and she told me the Quran says killing is a sin because killing one human life is killing all of humanity. Is this true? I’m a Christian and I’ve learned it’s important to understand the context when reading verses. I think many people take verses out of context from both the Bible and Quran.
Johnny Jacobs Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 Why do i feel like more is to come? Scary.
SlowGinFizzzz Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Ayanaa said: Islam needs a reformation badly More like a complete ban until that reformation finally happens. Why do innocent people have to die just because the ideology in whose name those barbaric murders are committed is taking its sweet time to get out of the Dark Ages? 3 1
ontherocks Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Emperor said: Islam is a danger to Western society , it should be a priority for these governement to fight against it, muslim will never assimilate to our culture So strange, my parents never had that issue 1
Carter Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Buffy said: My friend is Muslim and she told me the Quran says killing is a sin because killing one human life is killing all of humanity. Is this true? I’m a Christian and I’ve learned it’s important to understand the context when reading verses. I think many people take verses out of context from both the Bible and Quran. yes my friend read it as a history book and you will shocked how you gonna see things differently
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