album P!nk – 'TRUSTFALL (Tour Deluxe Edition)'

[spiritboy]

1 hour ago, Liafen said:

Was it though? It has a successful tour going for it (but then again, the tour wasn’t even branded as the albums’ ) but nothing else. NGNDA was a failed attempt of replicating Can’t Stop The Feeling’s success. Trustfall (which, again was born out of a previous success - but at least Pink’s own w/ What About Us) kind of made no noise. 
 

And yeah, it does its job better than H2BH & there are some hidden gems — Turbulence and Runaway are highlights (albeit the second one is again an attempt of cashing in on the Dua Lipa’ed sound, it is basically a Future Nostalgia reject). 

Trustfall has become a hit for her, plus the album charted well in UK. I'd say it's a win for a veteran act in 2023.

[Underdogs]

1 hour ago, Liafen said:

No, I think rose ave is a better album by light years and that one was forgotten the second it came out.  

And let's not forget about her best album Try This!

 

TRUSTFALL (song) was kind of a hit, though. It dominated radio in her main markets and managed to chart without playlisting. 

[Shijimathesilentman]

55 minutes ago, Underdogs said:

And let's not forget about her best album Try This!

 

TRUSTFALL (song) was kind of a hit, though. It dominated radio in her main markets and managed to chart without playlisting. 

serious? I thought she had gone far from the top 10 with Trustfall (single). It's a shame that now she only releases two singles with videos per album.

[A.X.E.L]

It's really funny how opinions and taste work. What you think of her carreer and her albums is not "the truth", it's just your opinions and that's ok. 

 

Personally, I love Trustfall the album and I listen to it a lot! I think she's doing what she wants and that's ok. And to be honest, I don't know what "edgy" or "different" even looks like nowadays, and I'm 32, so I can't really imagine how she must feel regarding music and what she could do. 

 

On the other hand, I wish we had at leat 4 new songs or something, but hey! Regardless of it all, it's new music by P!nk 

[bruninho]

8 hours ago, Braz said:

The whole thing still feels very generic and disjointed. If she wanted to do dancing and crying at the end of the world like she said in most interviews, not even half the album hit that register. Something written by someone else can indeed fit on an album and feel personal and Pink's done that many times, like GTPS or Try. She delivered some highlights on Trustfall like the title track, Turbulence, Hate Me, Runaway, Last Call but on the whole, it feels she had a deadline, put some songs together and called a day.

well, maybe you're not connecting to her anymore, and that's ok.
It's very rare for a songwriter to HIT THE SAME WAY as they used to when they had the feelings of a very emotional and angry young person lol

[SchmoodRing]

2 hours ago, Shijimathesilentman said:

serious? I thought she had gone far from the top 10 with Trustfall (single). It's a shame that now she only releases two singles with videos per album.

she gave us multiple videos this era and last though?

 

[Anonimate]

I'm about to split the whole here: some fans are trying very hard to change the reality that her material and career are far below what is expected from a singer like her.

 

No, I'm dont want her to write 100% of the songs (Try is one of her best songs and she didn't touch a pen), but rather that she deliver actually GOOD QUALITY MATERIAL, which in general hasn't been happening since... 2015 with Just Like Fire? 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Since 2017, she has been going through troubled moments that are ammunition for powerful music: the harassment from the media, the exposure of her children, the fact of going on tour and not having time for her family, she and her son almost dying from Covid, the fact of isolation itself, and the loss of the father.

 

She had COUNTLESS artistic opportunities to express her feelings, but she was unable to do so. The fact that she sounds so much more mature FIFTEEN YEARS AGO than she does now is something that shocks me. Apart from the fact that she hasn't delivered something truly iconic since 2012.

 

I don't want her to act like she's a crazy teenager, but the songs she's delivering are totally generic. I'm sorry, but let's be honest: any song on this latest album could be sung by a beginner artist.

 

And there are still bad career decisions. Poor launch planning, lack of investment and market vision, recycling of several past tour ideas...

Unfortunately it has become a pastiche of what it once was.

 

But… I guess the important thing is how money she gets from the tour and that the fans need to accept (even  knowing that she will not leave the North America/Canada/Europe/Oceania axis…)

[SchmoodRing]

5 hours ago, Liafen said:

Was it though? It has a successful tour going for it (but then again, the tour wasn’t even branded as the albums’ ) but nothing else. NGNDA was a failed attempt of replicating Can’t Stop The Feeling’s success. Trustfall (which, again was born out of a previous success - but at least Pink’s own w/ What About Us) kind of made no noise. 
 

And yeah, it does its job better than H2BH & there are some hidden gems — Turbulence and Runaway are highlights (albeit the second one is again an attempt of cashing in on the Dua Lipa’ed sound, it is basically a Future Nostalgia reject). 

a success is still a success no matter what the regard. how is trustfall born out of something else? i like how you keep saying positive things about pink only to then be like BUT like either you **** with her or her you don't? and for you to say runaway is a like a dua lipa fn reject is ******* wild

 

[Hiphopper]

Chill guys

 

Either we are happy with what she's doing now or want her to be better. The fundamental thing is we love her, right? So let's just relax and have a lovely conversation

[Hiphopper]

34 minutes ago, Anonimate said:

I'm about to split the whole here: some fans are trying very hard to change the reality that her material and career are far below what is expected from a singer like her.

 

No, I'm dont want her to write 100% of the songs (Try is one of her best songs and she didn't touch a pen), but rather that she deliver actually GOOD QUALITY MATERIAL, which in general hasn't been happening since... 2015 with Just Like Fire? 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Since 2017, she has been going through troubled moments that are ammunition for powerful music: the harassment from the media, the exposure of her children, the fact of going on tour and not having time for her family, she and her son almost dying from Covid, the fact of isolation itself, and the loss of the father.

 

She had COUNTLESS artistic opportunities to express her feelings, but she was unable to do so. The fact that she sounds so much more mature FIFTEEN YEARS AGO than she does now is something that shocks me. Apart from the fact that she hasn't delivered something truly iconic since 2012.

 

I don't want her to act like she's a crazy teenager, but the songs she's delivering are totally generic. I'm sorry, but let's be honest: any song on this latest album could be sung by a beginner artist.

 

And there are still bad career decisions. Poor launch planning, lack of investment and market vision, recycling of several past tour ideas...

Unfortunately it has become a pastiche of what it once was.

 

But… I guess the important thing is how money she gets from the tour and that the fans need to accept (even  knowing that she will not leave the North America/Canada/Europe/Oceania axis…)

I think she did express herself about these topics, not all but some, otherwise we won't have What About Us ,Trustfall and of cos Irrelevant. 

[The Man Who]

I thought Dreaming was the only new song we were getting, but I've just seen that we're also getting a song called All Out of Fight 

I'm excited to hear it as I really liked TRUSTFALL 

[P!nk]

8 hours ago, Anonimate said:

I'm about to split the whole here: some fans are trying very hard to change the reality that her material and career are far below what is expected from a singer like her.

 

No, I'm dont want her to write 100% of the songs (Try is one of her best songs and she didn't touch a pen), but rather that she deliver actually GOOD QUALITY MATERIAL, which in general hasn't been happening since... 2015 with Just Like Fire? 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Since 2017, she has been going through troubled moments that are ammunition for powerful music: the harassment from the media, the exposure of her children, the fact of going on tour and not having time for her family, she and her son almost dying from Covid, the fact of isolation itself, and the loss of the father.

 

She had COUNTLESS artistic opportunities to express her feelings, but she was unable to do so. The fact that she sounds so much more mature FIFTEEN YEARS AGO than she does now is something that shocks me. Apart from the fact that she hasn't delivered something truly iconic since 2012.

 

I don't want her to act like she's a crazy teenager, but the songs she's delivering are totally generic. I'm sorry, but let's be honest: any song on this latest album could be sung by a beginner artist.

 

And there are still bad career decisions. Poor launch planning, lack of investment and market vision, recycling of several past tour ideas...

Unfortunately it has become a pastiche of what it once was.

 

But… I guess the important thing is how money she gets from the tour and that the fans need to accept (even  knowing that she will not leave the North America/Canada/Europe/Oceania axis…)

I’m just so bored of her piano ballads that she’s been shoving out since BT. They fall flat for me and don’t have that personal, emotive feel of her older work. I’m also not asking her to be the person she once was as we do all change as we grow older but her material just feels flat, almost lifeless these days, both in her rarer upbeat moments and her downbeat stuff. The passion isn’t there.

[P!nk Forever]

12 minutes ago, P!nk said:

I’m just so bored of her piano ballads that she’s been shoving out since BT. They fall flat for me and don’t have that personal, emotive feel of her older work. I’m also not asking her to be the person she once was as we do all change as we grow older but her material just feels flat, almost lifeless these days, both in her rarer upbeat moments and her downbeat stuff. The passion isn’t there.

Her ballads are like she wants to try to outdo Adele so much lately. But We Lost It, You Get My Love, My Attic, Circle Game or Lost Cause could all be Adele‘s songs and you wouldn‘t notice. It feels like Ava Max trying to continue where Lady Gaga‘s old self left over.

 

Nobody Knows, The Great Escape, Eventually or Catch Me While I‘m Sleeping sounded like herself at least. Ballads in general aren‘t anyway her lane on which she builds her career.

[Underdogs]

I really like But We Lost It and Circle Game. More is another great one, still surprised it was relegated to be a Japanese exclusive. 

[Liafen]

She always curses her greatest work to be just Japanese bonus tracks, we been knew. The King Is Dead, sweetie, you were ahead of your time. 

[A.X.E.L]

11 hours ago, Anonimate said:

I'm about to split the whole here: some fans are trying very hard to change the reality that her material and career are far below what is expected from a singer like her.

 

No, I'm dont want her to write 100% of the songs (Try is one of her best songs and she didn't touch a pen), but rather that she deliver actually GOOD QUALITY MATERIAL, which in general hasn't been happening since... 2015 with Just Like Fire? 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Since 2017, she has been going through troubled moments that are ammunition for powerful music: the harassment from the media, the exposure of her children, the fact of going on tour and not having time for her family, she and her son almost dying from Covid, the fact of isolation itself, and the loss of the father.

 

She had COUNTLESS artistic opportunities to express her feelings, but she was unable to do so. The fact that she sounds so much more mature FIFTEEN YEARS AGO than she does now is something that shocks me. Apart from the fact that she hasn't delivered something truly iconic since 2012.

 

I don't want her to act like she's a crazy teenager, but the songs she's delivering are totally generic. I'm sorry, but let's be honest: any song on this latest album could be sung by a beginner artist.

 

And there are still bad career decisions. Poor launch planning, lack of investment and market vision, recycling of several past tour ideas...

Unfortunately it has become a pastiche of what it once was.

 

But… I guess the important thing is how money she gets from the tour and that the fans need to accept (even  knowing that she will not leave the North America/Canada/Europe/Oceania axis…)

That's funny cause you seem to speak the "ultimate truth" and I would take Trustfall or even NGNDA over Just Like Fire any time. I never liked that song and I don't consider it to be a "good quality" song. So all of this is your opinion on the matter. 

 

What I do hate is the recycling of the tours and her only staying in NA, Europe and Oceania. That's fact  

[Liafen]

Art is, of course, subjective - but there are certain objective truths.

 

The one that we're talking about here is one: you just cannot compare the quality of her earlier work to her last two albums. Up to Beautiful Trauma, each era of hers was sonically cohesive, well thought out, largely self-written with consistent imagery and planned steps to sustain the body of work(!) in the long run. 

 

Her last two albums, for the most part, are disjointed collections of songs that are all over the place (and weren't even written by her lately), at parts could be sung by someone else (yes, hard to admit, but Runaway fits in more as a song on Future Nostalgia than on her record), with dwindling effort on post-release career care past her touring: she puts out two videos and calls it a day.  

 

It's not a matter of me enjoying Trustfall or not (which, for the most part, I do enjoy), the lack of actual effort can be seen if you compare past eras with her newest ones. It's just not her main focus anymore, it feels like. And I cannot really fault her for that, since she's grown into a family of her own with two kids and she's happier than ever. It's just sad that her releases do feel like contractual checkmarks and, well, excuses to go on tour - on which she also compromises a lot lately. 

[Hiphopper]

Not y'all dragging her ballads when she gave us Wild Hearts!!

 

I'll defend this MASTERPIECE til the world bl...... You know...

[Liafen]

6 minutes ago, Hiphopper said:

Not y'all dragging her ballads when she gave us Wild Hearts!!

 

I'll defend this MASTERPIECE til the world bl...... You know...

Wild Hearts is very one-note for me. I'll not tolerate the But We Lost It slander though!

[Braz]

Don't @ me but I love LOVE both Stapleton sings. Especially Love Me Anyway. 

[Gabriel Guedes]

I think that what is lacking here is some perspective.

We're comparing her to the old days, either in the way she used to write/sing, the type of music she's released, or the way she treated an era. 

But it is not 2008 anymore. Promoting songs doesn't help sh*t, youtube is dead, so mv are really not worthy. It all comes down to paying spotify to place you on higher places on the main playlists and pay tiktokers to create a coreography for you song to go viral. 

The only person who actually made a proper MUSIC ERA recently was Dua Lipa. None of P!nk's peers is caring about promoting albums anymore, because it is no worth it. This is really sad, but that's the streaming era. 

[DR0GO]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:05 AM, P!nk Forever said:

She just wants to please Operation P!nkies and other mommy fan groups who stan Can We Pretend, Cover Me in Sunshine or Leave Me Alone (I’m Lonely) and completely ignores her core base of stanning gays who felt misunderstood in the first place and saw her as a role model for outcasts.

Not too much on Leave Me Alone (I'm God). Thank you.

[DR0GO]

Something happened between The Truth About Love and Beautiful Trauma, which is where I noticed the decrease in quality with her albums. Once we got to H2BH... yikes. A lot people say it's because she's mom now, she's more tame etc., but I wonder if maybe some of the blame lies with her label? Her team? Does she still have the same team behind her?

 

That said, there have been some absolute stellar tracks on her last few albums. She just doesn't seem as interested (these days) to have cohesive albums, and it shows.

 

 

[Liafen]

24 minutes ago, Gabriel Guedes said:

I think that what is lacking here is some perspective.

We're comparing her to the old days, either in the way she used to write/sing, the type of music she's released, or the way she treated an era. 

But it is not 2008 anymore. Promoting songs doesn't help sh*t, youtube is dead, so mv are really not worthy. It all comes down to paying spotify to place you on higher places on the main playlists and pay tiktokers to create a coreography for you song to go viral. 

The only person who actually made a proper MUSIC ERA recently was Dua Lipa. None of P!nk's peers is caring about promoting albums anymore, because it is no worth it. This is really sad, but that's the streaming era. 

Effort in promotion is just one thing though. The problem starts with the general quality of the alberms she's churning out. 

 

8 minutes ago, DR0GO said:

Not too much on Leave Me Alone (I'm God). Thank you.

Spilled!

[BrokenMachine]

I thought we all were OTHs* in here. It surprised me to see people who actually loved the album 

 

Also, I agree with the album having great songs like Our Song, Trustfall, Hate Me, Runaway, etc but overall is her weakest album imo. The album doesn't have 'bad' songs, but the experience overall feels underwhelming once you listen song after song, like, I even enjoyed H2BH more because it had way more variety and it's such an entertaining album even when it's not among her best either.

 

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*Obsessed Trustfall Haters