album P!nk – 'TRUSTFALL (Tour Deluxe Edition)'

[skwonderfactory]

Can someone please post the “Dreaming” lyrics? I would love to read them!

[SinnerCity]

I was really looking forward to more deluxe tracks but oh well 

[Liafen]

11 hours ago, Pilgs said:

Look, yes she should have given us more. But at least we are getting a deluxe. Hopefully the new song is amazing. I haven’t heard dreaming yet so I’m hoping you all are just being dramatic, which no offence, is quite possible. 

To be honest this reissue isn't a problem, like at all. It was labelled as a Tour Deluxe edition and for that, it kind of fulfills its purpose with 2 new songs sprinkled on top. (See Funhouse: The Tour Edition.) Seems like y'all got hyped up by the "8 songs and live performances" mistake when we're getting 8 total, and honestly she chose the best songs for that as well (sans CMIS ), I cannot wait for JLAP/Heartbreaker for example and the NC2U performance. 

 

Yeah, she could've given us an Extended Edition but this wasn't advertised as such.

 

If anything, she should've gone for this same route with Hurts 2 Be A Pink Fan: releasing it as an extra disc for Beautiful Trauma: The Complete Edition with an extra disc for live performances and that way, we could've avoided the mistreatment of a Pink era - and an album full of fillers - which did irreparable damage to her career. (With BT, she had radio and GP support, and, to an extent, streaming as well - all lost with H2BH). 

 

And I kinda hope she's not "saving" anything for a later record in the next 1.5 years. I need her to sit her arse down and actually think, write (cannot believe that I have to emphasize this, but just look at the Trustfall album credits...) and release a cohesive and well thought-out album that is not just an excuse to tour - or continue touring - like H2BH and Trustfall was.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Liafen

[Hiphopper]

2 minutes ago, Liafen said:

To be honest this reissue isn't a problem, like at all. It was labelled as a Tour Deluxe edition and for that, it kind of fulfills its purpose with 2 new songs sprinkled on top. Seems like y'all got hyped up by the "8 songs and live performances" mistake when we're getting 8 total, and honestly she chose the best songs for that as well (sans CMIS ), I cannot wait for JLAP/Heartbreaker for example and the NC2U performance. 

 

Yeah, she could've given us an Extended Edition but this wasn't advertised as such.

 

If anything, she should've gone for this same route with Hurts 2 Be A Pink Fan: releasing it as an extra disc for Beautiful Trauma: The Complete Edition with an extra disc for live performances and that way, we could've avoided the mistreatment of a Pink era - and an album full of fillers - which did irreparable damage to her career. (With BT, she had radio and GP support, and, to an extent, streaming as well - all lost with H2BH). 

 

And I kinda hope she's not "saving" anything for a later record in the next 1.5 years. I need her to sit her arse down and actually think, write (cannot believe that I have to emphasize this, but just look at the Trustfall album credits...) and release a cohesive and well thought-out album that is not just an excuse to tour - or continue touring - like H2BH and Trustfall was.

I love how rational you are, my fellow P!nk fan~

However, there just one thing I would like to say, I wouldn'tmind if she didn't write her own song after she gave us Feel Something, When I Get There and Turbulence 

[aaron511]

I think it's become a viscious circle type of situation with her a little. She started seeing older people attend her shows due to her original fanbase simply growing older so instead of doing what most other artist are doing -  which is trying to attract new younger audiences, she started to cater her music to those older people instead. That made even more older people attend her shows which in turn made her double down on soccer mum music even more and so on and on...

 

I saw her and Beyoncé in the same city, same venue, a few weeks apart this year. Average age at the Beyonce show was below 30 while for P!nk it was at least 40ish... She stopped being cool and popular because she stopped taking risks because she thought she has to cater to what her audience was already becoming instead of trying to reach a new one.

[Braz]

Willow tried to save her career but she didn't care...

[Schami66]

Or maybe she just wants to be the alpha soccer mom? Maybe she's comfortable with being a lame lady. 

I could totally see P!nk not caring about taking risks or evolving her art.

[Hiphopper]

13 hours ago, aaron511 said:

I think it's become a viscious circle type of situation with her a little. She started seeing older people attend her shows due to her original fanbase simply growing older so instead of doing what most other artist are doing -  which is trying to attract new younger audiences, she started to cater her music to those older people instead. That made even more older people attend her shows which in turn made her double down on soccer mum music even more and so on and on...

 

I saw her and Beyoncé in the same city, same venue, a few weeks apart this year. Average age at the Beyonce show was below 30 while for P!nk it was at least 40ish... She stopped being cool and popular because she stopped taking risks because she thought she has to cater to what her audience was already becoming instead of trying to reach a new one.

To be fair, she never was the one who took great risk musically. What makes her so famous and feels connected to the fans is her lyrics. 

 

And of cos she'sin her 40's now, what she cares and concern about must be different from her 20's. Some says she's not cool anymore, imo it's because she's not that sad angry teenage girl anymore, which is no problem at all for me.

 

As a long time fan, I love her since I was a student, now I also stepped in my 40's. What I love about her is she always stays true herself, and I still feel so connected to her music. Wild Hearts, WAU, Last Song of Your Life, When I Get There, Feel Something, either she wrote them or not, I can't deny she can always find a way to hit me hard, I can't thank her enough and I'll love her til the world blows up (duh) for this.

 

I think that's the reason why there are more "older" ones attending her concert, it's because we all grew up with her, and that's why she has one of the most loyal fanbase of all MPGs.

[Braz]

29 minutes ago, Hiphopper said:

To be fair, she never was the one who took great risk musically. What makes her so famous and feels connected to the fans is her lyrics. 

 

And of cos she'sin her 40's now, what she cares and concern about must be different from her 20's. Some says she's not cool anymore, imo it's because she's not that sad angry teenage girl anymore, which is no problem at all for me.

 

As a long time fan, I love her since I was a student, now I also stepped in my 40's. What I love about her is she always stays true herself, and I still feel so connected to her music. Wild Hearts, WAU, Last Song of Your Life, When I Get There, Feel Something, either she wrote them or not, I can't deny she can always find a way to hit me hard, I can't thank her enough and I'll love her til the world blows up (duh) for this.

 

I think that's the reason why there are more "older" ones attending her concert, it's because we all grew up with her, and that's why she has one of the most loyal fanbase of all MPGs.

I agree with most of this but the 1-2-3 punch of CTMH-Miss-Try This was of an artist taking huge artistic swings. No one expected any of those eras or what was coming. Miss especially kinda changed the game and made everyone follow her lead. It was a huge risk that paid off beautifully for her.

[Hiphopper]

7 minutes ago, Braz said:

I agree with most of this but the 1-2-3 punch of CTMH-Miss-Try This was of an artist taking huge artistic swings. No one expected any of those eras or what was coming. Miss especially kinda changed the game and made everyone follow her lead. It was a huge risk that paid off beautifully for her.

CTMH TO M!SS was a huge risk taking, how could I forget that! Dang! My fault!

[pinktennisfreak]

14 hours ago, aaron511 said:

I think it's become a viscious circle type of situation with her a little. She started seeing older people attend her shows due to her original fanbase simply growing older so instead of doing what most other artist are doing -  which is trying to attract new younger audiences, she started to cater her music to those older people instead. That made even more older people attend her shows which in turn made her double down on soccer mum music even more and so on and on...

 

I saw her and Beyoncé in the same city, same venue, a few weeks apart this year. Average age at the Beyonce show was below 30 while for P!nk it was at least 40ish... She stopped being cool and popular because she stopped taking risks because she thought she has to cater to what her audience was already becoming instead of trying to reach a new one.

I think that Beyonce has been following the same strategy for the last few projects. I would argue with this. With her, it’s just not about music, Whole Beyonce persona as a media mogul, gimmicks, her attitude, fashion, etc… She wants to be seen as “cool and edgy”, so people can relate. 
 

As someone said, the problem with P!nk came after BT. Too many duds. Lack of effort. Bad decisions. I blame the team, working with the same people and “yes attitude”.

[Sabandija]

3 hours ago, pinktennisfreak said:

As someone said, the problem with P!nk came after BT. Too many duds. Lack of effort. Bad decisions. I blame the team, working with the same people and “yes attitude”.

I think the problem came a little bit earlier. The Truth About Love was her last good album. Beautiful Trauma was so bland.

[Liafen]

18 hours ago, aaron511 said:

I think it's become a viscious circle type of situation with her a little. She started seeing older people attend her shows due to her original fanbase simply growing older so instead of doing what most other artist are doing -  which is trying to attract new younger audiences, she started to cater her music to those older people instead. That made even more older people attend her shows which in turn made her double down on soccer mum music even more and so on and on...

 

I saw her and Beyoncé in the same city, same venue, a few weeks apart this year. Average age at the Beyonce show was below 30 while for P!nk it was at least 40ish... She stopped being cool and popular because she stopped taking risks because she thought she has to cater to what her audience was already becoming instead of trying to reach a new one.

I just don't think it's something conscious on her part. The "ordinary life" tamed her and her priorities are just not on her musical career anymore - which, of course, is not a bad thing. But the two recent releases of course are a testament to how she doesn't want to challenge herself musically. And, while managing a tour on this scale is chalenging in itself, she is playing it safe on the performance side as well because that still works. 

 

19 minutes ago, Sabandija said:

I think the problem came a little bit earlier. The Truth About Love was her last good album. Beautiful Trauma was so bland.

Beautiful Trauma was at least a coherent era in her life and it also gave us the last Pink single with ethos, What About Us. They put huge effort into a consistent visual language and great promo as well. Then H2BH happened.

 

 

[P!nk Forever]

She just wants to please Operation P!nkies and other mommy fan groups who stan Can We Pretend, Cover Me in Sunshine or Leave Me Alone (I’m Lonely) and completely ignores her core base of stanning gays who felt misunderstood in the first place and saw her as a role model for outcasts.

[Pilgs]

1 hour ago, P!nk Forever said:

She just wants to please Operation P!nkies and other mommy fan groups who stan Can We Pretend, Cover Me in Sunshine or Leave Me Alone (I’m Lonely) and completely ignores her core base of stanning gays who felt misunderstood in the first place and saw her as a role model for outcasts.

Leave me alone is one of her best. Please think twice before dragging it again 

[spiritboy]

Trustfall is one of the best albums released in 2023 and a return to form from Pink after a few mid albums. Trustfall the song will be a classic and Our Song is one of my all time Pink ballads. I'm glad she has a very successful era for a veteran act.

[bruninho]

I feel very uncomfortable seeing P!nk fans call Trustfall "just an excuse to tour" and not a real album.

Ya'll really just want success right? This is a really good album imo, one her best in her own opinion, and music is art, art is subjective. You can't think it's bad for everyone just because you don't like it. Ageism is here...get used to it =/

[Braz]

1 hour ago, bruninho said:

I feel very uncomfortable seeing P!nk fans call Trustfall "just an excuse to tour" and not a real album.

Ya'll really just want success right? This is a really good album imo, one her best in her own opinion, and music is art, art is subjective. You can't think it's bad for everyone just because you don't like it. Ageism is here...get used to it =/

Trustfall is at least much better than H2BH and indeed a good album imo but it's not offensive to say her albums are excuses to tour now. She didn't even write a lot of songs on it for the first time and she's def sticking to her formula. There's nothing super personal there that she had to put out, even the song for her father was written by someone else. 

[Underdogs]

Yeah, for someone who put her career on the line before she was even established for creative control, it's very strange she didn't write so many of the tracks. Especially since she kept saying "I had so much time" 

[Braz]

6 minutes ago, Underdogs said:

Yeah, for someone who put her career on the line before she was even established for creative control, it's very strange she didn't write so many of the tracks. Especially since she kept saying "I had so much time" 

It felt writing camp-d but for ballads and midtempos... At least she showed some good taste by choosing Turbulence and Runaway. 

[Underdogs]

1 minute ago, Braz said:

It felt writing camp-d but for ballads and midtempos... At least she showed some good taste by choosing Turbulence and Runaway. 

Yeah, and it's not as good as BT. H2BH was not hard to beat

[bruninho]

42 minutes ago, Braz said:

Trustfall is at least much better than H2BH and indeed a good album imo but it's not offensive to say her albums are excuses to tour now. She didn't even write a lot of songs on it for the first time and she's def sticking to her formula. There's nothing super personal there that she had to put out, even the song for her father was written by someone else. 

well, she wrote a lot of songs on the album, just not all of them...if you're waiting for her to break up with Carey or I don't know what else to inspire an album fully written by her, maybe you'll never get one. So I do think it's a bit offensive, because it's her art. Singers don't have to write every single song they sing. Singing, interpreting songs, performing, are also ART FORMS that she loves to do. She could very well put 2 words in a song and tell us that she wrote like many artists do, but she value songwriters to the point where she'll be very clear about it.

There's a lot of people who think a song CAN'T BE PERSONAL if it wasn't written by the artist. But that's a huge misunderstanding. Don't you feel like a lot of P!nk songs are personal TO YOU? Even though you didn't write it? That happens with singers aswell. They can have one of the most personal songs of their career, and still not have written it. Not to mention that a lot of songs are written from the singer's perspective, by another person, as a request from the artist.

 

Got it?

[Braz]

37 minutes ago, bruninho said:

well, she wrote a lot of songs on the album, just not all of them...if you're waiting for her to break up with Carey or I don't know what else to inspire an album fully written by her, maybe you'll never get one. So I do think it's a bit offensive, because it's her art. Singers don't have to write every single song they sing. Singing, interpreting songs, performing, are also ART FORMS that she loves to do. She could very well put 2 words in a song and tell us that she wrote like many artists do, but she value songwriters to the point where she'll be very clear about it.

There's a lot of people who think a song CAN'T BE PERSONAL if it wasn't written by the artist. But that's a huge misunderstanding. Don't you feel like a lot of P!nk songs are personal TO YOU? Even though you didn't write it? That happens with singers aswell. They can have one of the most personal songs of their career, and still not have written it. Not to mention that a lot of songs are written from the singer's perspective, by another person, as a request from the artist.

 

Got it?

The whole thing still feels very generic and disjointed. If she wanted to do dancing and crying at the end of the world like she said in most interviews, not even half the album hit that register. Something written by someone else can indeed fit on an album and feel personal and Pink's done that many times, like GTPS or Try. She delivered some highlights on Trustfall like the title track, Turbulence, Hate Me, Runaway, Last Call but on the whole, it feels she had a deadline, put some songs together and called a day.

[Liafen]

Whew chile I was going to ask which edition are y’all getting but then I scrolled thru the essays in here…  I was going to get the vinyl swirl but since she’s racist again and it’s not available here I’m going for the zine -

hopefully it wont be as disappointing as the Trustfall standard ed. one was

 

Re essays: pretty much what @Braz and @Underdogs said. I can’t believe y’all are saying that it’s a “return to form”. Whose form? The writing camps’? 
 

4 hours ago, bruninho said:

if you're waiting for her to break up with Carey or I don't know what else to inspire an album fully written by her, maybe you'll never get one.

TTAL and Beautiful Trauma - both excellent pop records - happened and those did not require any sort of life-changing drastic event (eg. breakup, divorce, death of a parent) for her to write about something. Heck, even rose ave was a stellar record and that’s not even her “main” life 

 

4 hours ago, bruninho said:

Singers don't have to write every single song they sing. Singing, interpreting songs, performing, are also ART FORMS that she loves to do. She could very well put 2 words in a song and tell us that she wrote like many artists do, but she value songwriters to the point where she'll be very clear about it.

They don’t have to write every single song, but don’t forget that the premise of her whole brand and artistic persona post-CTMH was that she actually writes her songs (after she got sick of having to sing others’ in a genre that was not preferred by her). We’re talking about Pink who kind of shocked us ten years ago by releasing a single that she did not write (Try, which was amazing - but it was basically then-unheard of her.) To hear her boast about how this is her most personal album etc. when she did not write even half of it - again, unheard of post-CMIS - is disappointing.

 

5 hours ago, Braz said:

There's nothing super personal there that she had to put out, even the song for her father was written by someone else. 

All of the above being said, I can totally understand her reason behind this one though. 

 

6 hours ago, bruninho said:

Ya'll really just want success right?

No, I think rose ave is a better album by light years and that one was forgotten the second it came out.  

[Liafen]

6 hours ago, spiritboy said:

I'm glad she has a very successful era for a veteran act.

Was it though? It has a successful tour going for it (but then again, the tour wasn’t even branded as the albums’ ) but nothing else. NGNDA was a failed attempt of replicating Can’t Stop The Feeling’s success. Trustfall (which, again was born out of a previous success - but at least Pink’s own w/ What About Us) kind of made no noise. 
 

And yeah, it does its job better than H2BH & there are some hidden gems — Turbulence and Runaway are highlights (albeit the second one is again an attempt of cashing in on the Dua Lipa’ed sound, it is basically a Future Nostalgia reject).