base talk Do Sabrina Carpenter and Tate McRae have what it takes to become Superstars?

[havewemet]

Tate has to figure out her live show if she wants to be a main pop girl. Her videos are so choreo heavy and she’s such a great dancer…to not include that at all or even have dancers on tour was a big miss for me. If the budget isn’t there yet that’s one thing but it seemed like she was trying to distance herself from being a dancer in general. Then the video for Greedy came out and there seems like a big disconnect there about what she’s trying to do.

[Angelo]

1 hour ago, Power love said:

Huh, Doja, Rihanna and Pink all didn’t smash hard on their first eras yet all 3 are bigger than half the list you mentioned.

They did not smash but still managed to have a top 10 hit which led to bigger eras. 

[glitch]

21 minutes ago, Angelo said:

They did not smash but still managed to have a top 10 hit which led to bigger eras. 

Where's the top 10 hit on Amala?

[GentleDance]

How can yall sit through these Tate songs? She has to have the most annoying tone in pop, I'm convinced yall are on her payroll 

[Power love]

6 hours ago, vale9001 said:

Uh?

Pink First pop album Is her bigger album probably. It's true Rihanna really exploded just with her 3rd album, but First two albums already had at least 2-3 bigger hits than Sabrina Carpenter ever had, and that was 2005-2007 so basically her third album came in the first 2 years of her career.

What are you talking about? We are talking about (Superstars) & none of them were that during their first eras & that’s a fact. Nobody didn’t say they had no commercial success. So mentioning all that is irrelevant.

[Power love]

5 hours ago, Angelo said:

They did not smash but still managed to have a top 10 hit which led to bigger eras. 

So? What point are you trying to make? That has nothing to do with the conversation or point. 

[Weld_E]

I just discovered Tyla today and she has more charisma than both of them. Water is a bop!

[popmusicisdead]

Tate seems like a flash in a pan and Sabrina's entire career was dead on arrival so the answer is no, i'm afraid

Edited October 12, 2023 by popmusicisdead

[Into The Void]

Well I mean Greedy is doing amazing numbers on Spotify if she keeps up the momentum with another follow up hit she could

[stochastic]

7 hours ago, Antikythera said:

none of those are real popstar, none of them can dance, none can perform... they are from that time when everyone wants to be conceptual and deep = lazy everything else.

Taylor can’t perform or dance well relative to Gaga or Bey but she’s currently the biggest popstar. No artist can excel in all arenas and everyone has a competency with which they struggle with or accept they don’t have the aptitude whether it’s producing melodies/singing/writing lyrics/etc. It is a zero sum game. A popstar has to transcend their peers and captivate listeners through lyricism, performance, or celebrity. It is about the holistic package and if they can be marketed as a product and command a strong fanbase or GP.
 

But anyway, tastes have evolved and people are clamoring for artists to be more involved which is what you get with the artists you mentioned—they are the ones producing, they have lead writing credits. It signals there is ethos which connects to the audience.

 

[brooklyndaddy]

Never heard either of their music but they’re the same mid “yiew breük my hært” cursive moderate sad girl bop Spotify generated TikTok generation girl to me 

[LCTV]

I don't know either of their personalities 

I feel like we just KNOW MPGs even if we don't follow them closely.

Both girls are talented though.

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

Both of them could be MPGs if they play their cards right

 

Sabrina has the advantage because she has built a solid fanbase since her Disney Channel era

 

Tate even though doesn't have that yet, could be if she releases more bangers and is more active by doing live performances and interacting with fans

[Angelo]

3 hours ago, Power love said:

So? What point are you trying to make? That has nothing to do with the conversation or point. 

Sabrina and Tate never had that start with their carvers… so I’m afraid they don’t have what it takes.  

[Power love]

12 minutes ago, Angelo said:

Sabrina and Tate never had that start with their carvers… so I’m afraid they don’t have what it takes.  

Comprehension skills. 

[Valance]

sabrina doesnt. not even taylor's payola could do it for her

 

tate... she may score some hits but idts either

 

 

and pink and rihanna started smashing months after they came out (lady marlade/gtps and sos...) bad comparison

Edited October 12, 2023 by Valance

[Cyanide]

I think Greedy is an amazing song but unfortunately I don’t see it for any of them, not because they’re not talented but I don’t think there’s enough passion, creativity, and attention to detail, or budget from any of these labels to make a new artist exciting or stand out. 

[Antikythera]

10 hours ago, stochastic said:

Taylor can’t perform or dance well relative to Gaga or Bey but she’s currently the biggest popstar. No artist can excel in all arenas and everyone has a competency with which they struggle with or accept they don’t have the aptitude whether it’s producing melodies/singing/writing lyrics/etc. It is a zero sum game. A popstar has to transcend their peers and captivate listeners through lyricism, performance, or celebrity. It is about the holistic package and if they can be marketed as a product and command a strong fanbase or GP.
 

But anyway, tastes have evolved and people are clamoring for artists to be more involved which is what you get with the artists you mentioned—they are the ones producing, they have lead writing credits. It signals there is ethos which connects to the audience.

 

They can be very popular and sell, for me they aren't the popstars I seek, meaning performers, complete packages.

 

It would be the same calling Ed Sheeran a popstar or a rockstar. There is whole attitude aspect that doesnt fit the bill.

[Bethenny Frankel]

only Tate

 

[Gaia]

20 hours ago, KBax said:

I feel like Tate could be MPG if she plays her cards right. Greedy was a step in the right direction, so hopefully the album can serve some sexy bops. She can sing and she can dance, she has it. Now show us what you got miss Mcrae!

The issue with Tate is she is faceless. Even her smash Greedy is more known for Tube Girl on tiktok than Tate  

[Gladiator]

idk but Maisie Peters' music is so good

[Bethenny Frankel]

Tate is coming for #1 with Greedy

 

[Alex]

 

capability wise? absolutely. she just needs to find the right sound to click with the GP but she's already captivated a cult audience.

 

Tate is gonna have to deliver a good album if she wants to turn the tide, but the odds are more in her favour at the moment than Sabrina commercially. 

[Billionaire]

Not sure why this site insists on putting Tate & Sabrina in the same group when Tate is far more successful commercially, even before the success of greedy  

[jjmed59]

tate has better videos, can dance + serve fierceness, has a more unique tone, and already has a 1b song 💀 they are not peers. sabrina is very talented and deserves more success though!