Mariano Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, One Nation said: Sorry, I don't believe hearsay. Stay uneducated on the matter then, your own choice i really dont care enough to bother proving anything to u. Edited June 14, 2017 by Mariano
Torturo Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 51 minutes ago, One Nation said: So then why do people keep bringing up next week's sales? I need RECEIPTS that show that the ticket counting toward sales will indeed continue after the debut week. why wouldn't it it's not like BB has rule for them not to count afterwards
alfonso12 Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, One Nation said: And you're assuming the ticket bundle was Katy's? By Gaga I mean her team as well, it was Amazon's idea, not Gaga's / Interscope's / Troy Carter's. The ticket bundle was and idea from Katy's team.
Phuccery, Inc. Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 So she would've debuted at #5 without the tour bundle, according to the OP?
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Mariano said: Stay uneducated on the matter then, your own choice i really dont care enough to prove anything to u. I'm asking YOU but you can't provide a source for your claim. And I'm uneducated?
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, alfonso12 said: By Gaga I mean her team as well, it was Amazon's idea, not Gaga's / Interscope's / Troy Carter's. The ticket bundle was and idea from Katy's team. And you know this how?
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Torturo said: why wouldn't it it's not like BB has rule for them not to count afterwards Again, no credible receipts to support this claim.
ToxicKat Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Can't believe people are stop discussing tour bundles for 67 pages now even though it was pretty much explained in the first 2 pages the desperation and boredom that some of you guys live in is quite sad. Thank god I've been over sales since 2013.
anklebiterrs Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) People dragging Gaga for the Amazon thing should be redirecting their attention to Samsung giving a million copies of Anti away for free. OT: Katy's sales are NOT doing well, and especially the poor number of streams. This is not a good sign. Edited June 14, 2017 by anklebiterrs
Torturo Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, One Nation said: Again, no credible receipts to support this claim. why would there be article for something that is completely logical that's like asking me to provide you a receipt that digital sales don't count just for debut week
Mons†erMuscle™ Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, One Nation said: So then why are you trying to drag Katy since you just admitted both situations in the end are pretty much the same? (gimmicks) That's not what the initial convo was about. Witness is doing less than Joanne is the bottom line. Edited June 14, 2017 by Mons†erMuscle™
Natawie Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, ToxicKat said: Can't believe people are stop discussing tour bundles for 67 pages now even though it was pretty much explained in the first 2 pages the desperation and boredom that some of you guys live in is quite sad. Thank god I've been over sales since 2013.
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Torturo said: why would there be article for something that is completely logical that's like asking me to provide you a receipt that digital sales don't count just for debut week There is a specific formula for how Billboard counts ticket bundles. Billboard has explanations for nearly EVERY formula they use to comprise their weekly albums chart. If your claim were true, it would have been mentioned and stated before by them, as it would not only inflate the debut week sales, but ALSO the weeks following. Any controversial circumstances such as that would definitely be addressed. There is NO PROOF that her ticket bundles will count toward her post debut week sales, and you all claiming that it does will NOT make it true.
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mons†erMuscle™ said: That's not what the initial convo was about. Witness is doing less than Joanne is the bottom line. Not the deflect.
Torturo Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, One Nation said: And you know this how? https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2011/05/26/why-amazon-will-gain-from-loss-on-lady-gagas-born-this-way/#4952d70c6350 The more copies Lady Gaga's Born This Way sells, the more money Amazon loses. At face value, that sounds like a terrible situation for an online retail giant hawking the most anticipated record of the year. On closer inspection, though, Amazon's decision to sell the album for $0.99 per copy--at a significant loss--amounts to more of a shrewd advertising outlay than a pricey publicity stunt. Lady Gaga's manager has denied any involvement with the promotion, leading some outlets to speculate that Amazon paid a wholesale price of $8.39 for Born This Way (based on the fact that Apple's iTunes is selling the album for $11.99 per album and keeps 30% of sticker price). But a source informs me that Amazon negotiated with Interscope/Universal to pay a wholesale price of $7. That means the retailer is taking a somewhat smaller hit of about $6 per album sold. Even so, it's a big win for Amazon, as the promotion amounts to a massive advertisement. Stars of Gaga's magnitude generally charge exorbitant rates to dish out product endorsements, if they're willing to do so at all. Toby Keith, for example, gets about $5 million annually for his relationship with Ford. Gaga herself reportedly received $1 million from a Russian billionaire who wanted to make a cameo in the video for her song "Alejandro." "Amazon would have had to pay millions to get a [traditional] endorsement from Lady Gaga," says John Branca, an entertainment attorney who's represented Michael Jackson, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones and others. "The promotion is great for Amazon because they get new customers and they advertise their new service. It's great for Lady Gaga as well because she moves some copies and her fans get the record for a buck."
Torturo Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, One Nation said: There is a specific formula for how Billboard counts ticket bundles. Billboard has explanations for nearly EVERY formula they use to comprise their weekly albums chart. If your claim were true, it would have been mentioned and stated before by them, as it would not only inflate the debut week sales, but ALSO the weeks following. Any controversial circumstances such as that would definitely be addressed. There is NO PROOF that her ticket bundles will count toward her post debut week sales, and you all claiming that it does will NOT make it true. embarasiing
B-Rabbit Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mariano said: Yes. Good to know that Gaga and her team never did that. The only thing they did is say YES when Amazon offered to sell BTW at 1 dolar for a day and PAY FULL PRICE to Gaga and Interscope. Why would they say no ? You are acting like BTWs deal was used to inflate sales of BTW when in reality Amazon used BTW to promote their OWN service Yall do not look smart, mentioning BTW's ground breaking - never done before (or after) deal. OT: i am glad the bundle exist, the album deserves to be heard. The deal hasn't been done since because Billboard changed their rules. Lady Gaga and her team didn't have to say yes, and yes it did increase her sales
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Torturo said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2011/05/26/why-amazon-will-gain-from-loss-on-lady-gagas-born-this-way/#4952d70c6350 The more copies Lady Gaga's Born This Way sells, the more money Amazon loses. At face value, that sounds like a terrible situation for an online retail giant hawking the most anticipated record of the year. On closer inspection, though, Amazon's decision to sell the album for $0.99 per copy--at a significant loss--amounts to more of a shrewd advertising outlay than a pricey publicity stunt. Lady Gaga's manager has denied any involvement with the promotion, leading some outlets to speculate that Amazon paid a wholesale price of $8.39 for Born This Way (based on the fact that Apple's iTunes is selling the album for $11.99 per album and keeps 30% of sticker price). But a source informs me that Amazon negotiated with Interscope/Universal to pay a wholesale price of $7. That means the retailer is taking a somewhat smaller hit of about $6 per album sold. Even so, it's a big win for Amazon, as the promotion amounts to a massive advertisement. Stars of Gaga's magnitude generally charge exorbitant rates to dish out product endorsements, if they're willing to do so at all. Toby Keith, for example, gets about $5 million annually for his relationship with Ford. Gaga herself reportedly received $1 million from a Russian billionaire who wanted to make a cameo in the video for her song "Alejandro." "Amazon would have had to pay millions to get a [traditional] endorsement from Lady Gaga," says John Branca, an entertainment attorney who's represented Michael Jackson, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones and others. "The promotion is great for Amazon because they get new customers and they advertise their new service. It's great for Lady Gaga as well because she moves some copies and her fans get the record for a buck." Thank you for providing RECEIPTS!
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, Torturo said: embarasiing It really is isn't it? Making things up with so credible source to back it up?
alfonso12 Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, One Nation said: And you know this how? Quote I applaud a company like Amazon for equating the value of the digital copy verses the physical copy’, going onto say ‘It wasn’t also 99 cents because Amazon paid the difference for all of those purchases as part of their promotional campaign for one of their new services, I think it’s amazing, it was a really nice surprise http://thatgrapejuice.net/2011/06/lady-gaga-addresses-born-way-pricing-controversy/ EDIT: Oh someone already provided better receipts. Edited June 14, 2017 by alfonso12
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Torturo said: embarasiing And where is the lie?
Torturo Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Just now, One Nation said: And where is the lie? there is no special formula for tour bundle lol, it's just like regular sales. they just get numbers from nielsen. It counts whenever people redeem the album. Just like when you send someone iTunes gift. It doesn't count till the person redeems it
One Nation Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Torturo said: there is no special formula for tour bundle lol, it's just like regular sales. they just get numbers from nielsen. It counts whenever people redeem the album. Just like when you send someone iTunes gift. It doesn't count till the person redeems it And there it is! The consumer has to CHOOSE to redeem the album in order for the album to count towards sales! That's call a formula my dear. Edited June 14, 2017 by One Nation
Gaia Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mons†erMuscle™ said: That's not what the initial convo was about. Witness is doing less than Joanne is the bottom line. Didn't that album come out almost a year ago in a market where there is a steep decline in sales every year?
pabloanxiety Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, anklebiterrs said: People dragging Gaga for the Amazon thing should be redirecting their attention to Samsung giving a million copies of Anti away for free. OT: Katy's sales are NOT doing well, and especially the poor number of streams. This is not a good sign. How are you saying Katy's streams are poor when your faves are worse?
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