Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: this chart reflects how its currently doing, not its final position which we'll see at the end of the tracking week i know my point was that let's say the bundle didn't exist, Katy would most likely be number 1 on the mid week too.
sadnews Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e said: This means Ticketmaster will count the sale, it doesn't mean when Ticketmaster will report the sale to the tracking orgs. That'll likely happen later this week. Yall stat doing the most. "With purchase of tickets, with or without an additional fee, customer receives a unique PIN number redeemable for a digital download of the album. Transaction will count as a sale at the point of redemption. Sales will not be held or carried over to a subsequent tracking week, so the redemption should be timed to an album’s scheduled release date or any date thereafter. -Download album must have its own unique UPC code for clearer tracking -Nielsen SoundScan must receive digital sales/redemptions directly from the digital service/fulfillment company and must include the consumer’s zip code for each download redeemed" http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/public factsheets/Soundscan/Reporting-CD-Ticket-bundle-sales-policies-procedures.pdf from soundscan. no. redeem are counted directly to soundscan, not report from ticketmaster. Edited June 12, 2017 by sadnews
Aurora Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: The title reflects how these new releases on doing according to the US mids chart. How is it misleading. lmao 2 minutes ago, Duca said: she's #2 on the midweek chart If the title isn't misleading, the chart is wrong. Tour bundle album sales are still album sales and simply ignoring them doesn't put her at #2 mid-week when she's already moved those copies at this point in the week. I don't expect you to change it or anything, but it reads as if - at this stage - Katy is expected to wind up at #2 on Billboard.
Tinashebanks Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: which means the numbers wouldnt be any different to these numbers, right? No because tour bundle numbers haven't been added obviously and their methodology is confusing so we won't really know what's included or not
Lazuli Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Mariano said: in 2012 MDNA had 187k copies in the first week from the Tour Bundle alone. So for Katy I guess 50-60% of that should be achievable. Cuz album sales have declined, but tour tickets - not really. And Katy isn't as big of a touring force as Madonna so that's why 50-60% should be realistic, right ? I see, I didn't know artists could pull in such huge numbers from a tour bundle. How much do you think Katy would've sold without a tour bundle then? Could she be close to 100k pure?
Pop Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, SeanET said: she's fine 12 minutes ago, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e said: This is fine lmao.
7/27 Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Most of the people who bought the tour bundles would've bought the album anyway. It's doing great.
Tinashebanks Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, sadnews said: "With purchase of tickets, with or without an additional fee, customer receives a unique PIN number redeemable for a digital download of the album. Transaction will count as a sale at the point of redemption. Sales will not be held or carried over to a subsequent tracking week, so the redemption should be timed to an album’s scheduled release date or any date thereafter. -Download album must have its own unique UPC code for clearer tracking -Nielsen SoundScan must receive digital sales/redemptions directly from the digital service/fulfillment company and must include the consumer’s zip code for each download redeemed" http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/public factsheets/Soundscan/Reporting-CD-Ticket-bundle-sales-policies-procedures.pdf from soundscan. no. redeem are counted directly to soundscan, not report from ticketmaster. Isn't ticketmaster or Katy's label the fulfilment company? It wouldn't really make a difference then :/
- JED - Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e said: This means Ticketmaster will count the sale, it doesn't mean when Ticketmaster will report the sale to the tracking orgs. That'll likely happen later this week. Yall stat doing the most. But HDD's prediction is including the bundle so they have to know some numbers, unless they completely estimated what they considered without any factual receipts but I don't think so Edited June 12, 2017 by - JED -
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Tinashebanks said: No because tour bundle numbers haven't been added obviously and their methodology is confusing so we won't really know what's included or not sure i mean i guess we'll have to wait for final numbers then. it's sad billboard won't be segregating the total sales according to bundle sales, pure sales etc
Tinashebanks Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, - JED - said: But HDD's prediction is including the bundle so they have to know some numbers, unless they completely estimated what they considered without any factual receipts but I don't think so I guess they use historical precedence since they accurately predicted the Chainsmokers sales Edited June 12, 2017 by Tinashebanks
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Aurora said: If the title isn't misleading, the chart is wrong. Tour bundle album sales are still album sales and simply ignoring them doesn't put her at #2 mid-week when she's already moved those copies at this point in the week. I don't expect you to change it or anything, but it reads as if - at this stage - Katy is expected to wind up at #2 on Billboard. it's simply not a norm to include bundle sales to pure sales and of course SPS because only a handful of acts have bundled their albums I guess? I dont think so I mean the second word of the title indicates it's the midweek chart Edited June 12, 2017 by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, Lazuli said: I see, I didn't know artists could pull in such huge numbers from a tour bundle. How much do you think Katy would've sold without a tour bundle then? Could she be close to 100k pure? no idea I am really bad with predictions (used to be good in 2011-2012 ) Tho somehow I got Joanne right when everyone was predicting 120k
Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Scotland said: She's gonna have a huge drop, probably a 95% one. nah, what if some bundles are redeemed in the 2nd week (thus counting for the 2nd week ) ? Or is that not possible It's so complicated. How much was the initial prediction for Halsey and The Chainsmokers ? I think both of them did more than their predictions, so Katy should be fine.
Cryptique Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Tinashebanks said: Has HDD ever been that off? a reduction by nearly 50% is inconceivable. 180-200k would seem more accurate I mean, if the bundle thing doesnt exist. katy could still pull that number.. there's no way she could pull less than 100k SPS even without the bundle thing
omrimayo Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Scotland said: She's gonna have a huge drop, probably a 95% one. I'm saying the same, 90 to 95.
PrismaticFluff Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, Aurora said: Yeah #1 with bundle, #2 without seems accurate. Although it's pretty obvious that if the ticket bundle never happened, there would be an overlap of fans who would buy BOTH a ticket (without album) AND the album, yet in this scenario there is a whole slew of fans who are just buying the tickets (and therefore get their album, and don't need to purchase a second copy). It's not as simple as "without ticket bundle, Katy would be #2". She very well might have been, but it's not 100% confirmed from this information. this, a lot of fans only bought the ticket if there was no bundle, they would buy both
Diocles Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Scotland said: She's gonna have a huge drop, probably a 95% one. No way. Her promo is huge and it's keeping the album alive, i mean she had a non-stop WW youtube promo for like 3 days so i expect a cute lil drop, like 60%. Edited June 12, 2017 by Diocles
sadnews Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 looking at their old prediction for ticket bundle albums. they were right. so. katy will do those numbers.
PrismaticFluff Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 48 minutes ago, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: This makes NO sense at all. Are you saying her numbers would be better if she didn't do the bundle? That's what these charts are showing. I mean you can interpret them however you want but she's #2 on these charts where bundles are not taken into consideration. No way. Katy can't be doing that badly. you're not making sense, you're saying if there were no bundles, nobody would buy the album
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted June 12, 2017 ATRL Moderator Posted June 12, 2017 is buzzangle counting the bundle sales or do we not know? bc if the latter, we should just wait for HDD and billboard
PrismaticFluff Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Diocles said: No way. Her promo is huge and it's keeping the album alive, i mean she had a non-stop WW youtube promo for like 3 days so i expect a cute lil drop, like 60%. youtube promo? everytime i watched it there was no mention of the album or anything it's just a bunch of celeb guests, sleeping and her saying "authenticity" a lot
Schhh Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Still good numbers. Fans got the album/tour package so it's just the GP now that's buying the album and considering she hasn't had a big hit this era she's doing well. An Album/ Touring artist.
sadnews Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 ticket bundle album always have big second week drop. that will be no surprise. mdna had 86% drop, chainsmokers had 84% drop too.
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