H-I-M Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Duca said: I don't think so HDD being this off just doesn't seem likely Didn't they expect TD to debut with bigger numbers back then?
Pop Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Yves said: Wow, this is bad. Yves, I agree.
SeanET Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 US iTunes Top Albums #2 - Witness #4 - Heart Break #135 - Witness she's fine
Tinashebanks Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Cryptique said: yeah.. I believe Katy can still top the chart even without the bundle.. but much lower numbers.. might be between 130k-150k SPS or worse 100k-120k SPS Has HDD ever been that off? a reduction by nearly 50% is inconceivable. 180-200k would seem more accurate
Tinashebanks Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 SZA is obviously doing way more than the 50k sps, so atleast someone won
Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: This makes NO sense at all. Are you saying her numbers would be better if she didn't do the bundle? That's what these charts are showing. I mean you can interpret them however you want but she's #2 on these charts where bundles are not taken into consideration. No way. Katy can't be doing that badly. he meant that without the bundle, the numbers would be better than the ones buzz angle is showing, because if the tour bundle didn't exist, a lot of fans would buy the album the normal way, fans that didn't do it now, since they got it with the ticket. Which is true Just like how BTW would have sold more than 700k without the 99c deal, cuz a lot of people that bought it for 99c would have bought it full price regardless.
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Tinashebanks said: Fans would still buy the album if the tour bundle didn't exist is what they mean. which means the numbers wouldnt be any different to these numbers, right? Just now, SeanET said: US iTunes Top Albums #2 - Witness #4 - Heart Break #135 - Witness she's fine she's holding up really well that's for sure!
Duca Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, H-I-M said: Didn't they expect TD to debut with bigger numbers back then? pre-release prediction these are based on actual numbers we'll get an update later today so we'll know more
h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Lemon Drops said: "If the album is shipped to the consumer, the sale will register when that order is fulfilled. Similarly, if the album is fulfilled as a digital download, the sale is registered upon fulfillment." This means Ticketmaster will count the sale, it doesn't mean when Ticketmaster will report the sale to the tracking orgs. That'll likely happen later this week. Yall stat doing the most.
Aurora Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: This makes NO sense at all. No way. Katy can't be doing that badly. It does. Let me try and explain it a different way. Assuming original HDD figures are still accurate, LA are selling 43-48k SPS, 35-40k pure. For argument's sake, let's just say they end up selling 45k SPS and 37k pure. This would be enough for #1, according to BuzzAngle. According to HDD, Katy's SPS figures are expected to be 25k more than the pure figures. If Katy is #2, that means her SPS is less than 45k. Let's pick a round number... 40k SPS. Therefore her pure sales would be... 15k () Very tragic, right? Now, given HDD have predicted she'd sell about 200k SPS WITH tour bundle, that means minus the 40k SPS from pure/streams, 160k would be coming from the tour bundle. That's 160k Katy Perry fans buying a ticket to see her on tour, and getting an album along with it. Even if only 10% of these ticket-buying fans went out and bought the album as well as a tour ticket (given the tour bundle never happened), that would be an extra 16k SPS, which would put Katy at 56k SPS, ahead of LA's 45k. And chances are a lot more than 10% of ticket buyers would also buy a copy of the album. So Katy would still very likely debut at #1 even without the tour bundle (just with much more tragic sales figures). 1 minute ago, geturfreakon said: What's going on? Is she going to be number 2 after all? The title is misleading. She would be #2 without the ticket bundle figures included. She will still be #1 on Billboard 200.
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Mariano said: he meant that without the bundle, the numbers would be better than the ones buzz angle is showing, because if the tour bundle didn't exist, a lot of fans would buy the album the normal way, fans that didn't do it now, since they got it with the ticket. Which is true Just like how BTW would have sold more than 700k without the 99c deal, cuz a lot of people that bought it for 99c would have bought it full price regardless. so its about this buzz angle chart and not in general, the total number of copies sold. ok
Lemon Drops Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e said: This means Ticketmaster will count the sale, it doesn't mean when Ticketmaster will report the sale to the tracking orgs. That'll likely happen later this week. This makes sense.
Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ said: so its about this buzz angle chart and not in general, the total number of copies sold. ok no, without the bundles she would probably sell less than 180-225k SPS, but still more than enough to be number 1 and not number 2 like buzz angle is saying.
sadnews Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 wait. buzz angle count youtube views for album sps? mess. but yeah. katy's tour bundle probably wasn't counted yet.
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Aurora said: It does. Let me try and explain it a different way. Assuming original HDD figures are still accurate, LA are selling 43-48k SPS, 35-40k pure. For argument's sake, let's just say they end up selling 45k SPS and 37k pure. This would be enough for #1, according to BuzzAngle. According to HDD, Katy's SPS figures are expected to be 25k more than the pure figures. If Katy is #2, that means her SPS is less than 45k. Let's pick a round number... 40k SPS. Therefore her pure sales would be... 15k () Very tragic, right? Now, given HDD have predicted she'd sell about 200k SPS WITH tour bundle, that means minus the 40k SPS from pure/streams, 160k would be coming from the tour bundle. That's 160k Katy Perry fans buying a ticket to see her on tour, and getting an album along with it. Even if only 10% of these ticket-buying fans went out and bought the album as well as a tour ticket (given the tour bundle never happened), that would be an extra 16k SPS, which would put Katy at 56k SPS, ahead of LA's 45k. And chances are a lot more than 10% of ticket buyers would also buy a copy of the album. So Katy would still very likely debut at #1 even without the tour bundle (just with much more tragic sales figures). The title is misleading. She would be #2 without the ticket bundle figures included. She will still be #1 on Billboard 200. my head hurts but i understand that one part + Mariano already explained. The title reflects how these new releases on doing according to the US mids chart. How is it misleading. lmao
Duca Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Aurora said: It does. Let me try and explain it a different way. Assuming original HDD figures are still accurate, LA are selling 43-48k SPS, 35-40k pure. For argument's sake, let's just say they end up selling 45k SPS and 37k pure. This would be enough for #1, according to BuzzAngle. According to HDD, Katy's SPS figures are expected to be 25k more than the pure figures. If Katy is #2, that means her SPS is less than 45k. Let's pick a round number... 40k SPS. Therefore her pure sales would be... 15k () Very tragic, right? Now, given HDD have predicted she'd sell about 200k SPS WITH tour bundle, that means minus the 40k SPS from pure/streams, 160k would be coming from the tour bundle. That's 160k Katy Perry fans buying a ticket to see her on tour, and getting an album along with it. Even if only 10% of these ticket-buying fans went out and bought the album as well as a tour ticket (given the tour bundle never happened), that would be an extra 16k SPS, which would put Katy at 56k SPS, ahead of LA's 45k. And chances are a lot more than 10% of ticket buyers would also buy a copy of the album. So Katy would still very likely debut at #1 even without the tour bundle (just with much more tragic sales figures). The title is misleading. She would be #2 without the ticket bundle figures included. She will still be #1 on Billboard 200. the title isn't misleading she's #2 on the midweek chart
Lazuli Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Huh? The tour bundle makes up like 100k+ of the sales?
Lemon Drops Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Lazuli said: Huh? The tour bundle makes up like 100k+ of the sales? Likely yeah.
♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚ Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Mariano said: no, without the bundles she would probably sell less than 180-225k SPS, but still more than enough to be number 1 and not number 2 like buzz angle is saying. this chart reflects how its currently doing, not its final position which we'll see at the end of the tracking week
Lazuli Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, Lemon Drops said: Likely yeah. Holy crap That's HUGE. Even without this tour bundle thing, I expected her to pull in around 100k pure sales?
Mariano Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lazuli said: Huh? The tour bundle makes up like 100k+ of the sales? in 2012 MDNA had 187k copies in the first week from the Tour Bundle alone. Which was more than what she sold without the bundle. For Katy obviously should be more, since album sales have declined since 2012. So for Katy I guess 50-60% of that should be achievable. Cuz album sales have declined, but tour tickets - not really. And Katy isn't as big of a touring force as Madonna so that's why 50-60% should be realistic, right ? Edited June 12, 2017 by Mariano
matthew1990 Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 So is the sales from the bundle counted yet? Is not, when will it count towards the total?
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