celeb news Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) stands up for the Empire (America & Israel)

[ClashAndBurn]

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Talento]

King 

[suburbannature]

You really pressed “submit” on that title.

[vale9001]

I'm often very critic about americans but, when in the end of 1800 and at the very beginning of the 1900s palestinians were bombing the houses and the schools of jewish emigrants in that territory, americans build a nation welcoming millions of emigrants of every culture and religion. So i can understand their moral High ground here.

Edited October 8, 2023 by vale9001

[besaid]

A king who's not afraid of the hate mob. Let me go watch A New Hope 

 

 

[Tropez]

3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I'm often very critic about americans but, when in the end of 1800 and at the very beginning of the 1900s palestinians were bombing the houses and the schools of jewish emigrants in that territory, americans build a nation welcoming millions of emigrants of every culture and religion. So i can understand their moral High ground here.

This isn’t true. The US for instance had quotas on which countries citizens can emigrate to the US. Asian and African countries were banned. Eastern and Southern Europeans had only a small percentage. 
 

This wasn’t repealed until the 60s. On top of that immigration from certain countries is still hard. And some have a higher chance. The US has never been accepting of all people. And only if you’re the right kind of white. 

[midnightdawn]

Who asked

[Communion]

What do these two nations have to do with one another? The illogical demand to intertwine both's geopolitics is how you end up with someone running for president saying something like the below: 

"This is an attack on America" - what? No.. it's literally not? 

Geopolitical allies are not extensions of nations?

 

Does the US send air-carriers when France has similar conflicts with their colonial past in Northern Africa? 

 

Israel lis not an American colony. It must stand on its own convictions as an independent settler-colonial state. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Communion

[besaid]

16 minutes ago, Communion said:

What do these two nations have to do with one another? The illogical demand to intertwine both's geopolitics is how you end up with someone running for president saying something like the below: 

"This is an attack on America" - what? No.. it's literally not? 

Geopolitical allies are not extensions of nations?

 

I mean, other than the dozens of dead US citizens and dozens of US hostages being held by terrorists, yeah it's got nothing to do with us

Edited October 9, 2023 by besaid

[Peroxide]

What happened this week was tragic… HOWEVER - whilst it’s important to condemn Hamas… WHERE has this kind of outrage been for the 6,000+ dead Palestinians?
 

A full on genocide has been actively taking place for a long, long time and the West has decided to turn a blind eye…

[Communion]

27 minutes ago, besaid said:

I mean, other than the dozens of dead US citizens 

Huh? The US gets involved militarily whenever a US citizen abroad has died? That's what you're claiming? If so, what did the US do about the assaination of this proud American citizen below? Who did they find was responsible for murdering this innocent American citizen?

 

 

Again, the suggestion that conflict in Israel is an attack on America is as logical as saying conflict between Saudi Arabia and its neighbors is an attack *on* America. 

 

If Mark Hamill has family in Israel or is Israeli - I really don't have the bandwidth or interest to Google - then concern over growing violence is totally reasonable, but this language perpetuated by celebs and politicians like done so here that conflate Israel and America is deeply concerning. 

 

(Edit - Mark Hamill is literally an Irish-American Catholic??? )

 

It can't be both true that Israel is a sovereign nation and America has no place to dictate or control its decisions AND that Israel is such an extension of America's nationhood that the US must at all times provide the settler colonial state with unconditional, unlimited military aid whenever it demands. Haifa is not Philadelphia. These events are not happening at Americans' doorsteps and pretending they are only further muddles the conversation. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Communion

[réveuse]

 

 

 

This tweet sums up my feelings on celebrities speaking out on this conflict.

 

 

(Also, it's definitely the latter)

[JustLikeHoney]

I'll never understand siding with Hamas. I mean they said they were targeting an airport. How is that a military installation and not just attacking citizens? And citizens of other countries. 

 

I'm sorry the math is not adding. Also it's weird how China supports Hamas. 

 

[NausAllien]

Don't you EVER get tired of following the "woke" script? Can't you think on your own?

 

Standing with the Israelis who were victims of terrorist attacks doesn't mean the condone the atrocities the GOVERNMENT of Israel does. It's insane some of you are INCAPABLE of understanding any nuance.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

17 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

Don't you EVER get tired of following the "woke" script? Can't you think on your own?

 

Standing with the Israelis who were victims of terrorist attacks doesn't mean the condone the atrocities the GOVERNMENT of Israel does. It's insane some of you are INCAPABLE of understanding any nuance.

 

Well, yeah, it kinda does, because whenever the Palestinians are faced with atrocities by the IDF, the vast majority of you are either silent or will say something like "those homophobic Muslim terrorists deserved it " whenever a thread about an IDF raid killing civilians comes up.

 

Also the fact that you'd even use the word "woke" here says a lot about who YOU are.  

Edited October 9, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

Don't you EVER get tired of following the "woke" script?

 

This comment - and your other in a thread saying it's "the PC line to support Palestine" - is very confusing.

 

What are you even talking about? 

 

Anyone who even dares share support for Palestinians is largely targeted by lobbyists and self-avowed Zionist right-wing politicians (some not even Jewish themselves?) who call them bigots and terrorist supporters?

 

This is what happens when someone who is literally Palestinian supports Palestine despite herself being rich and famous:

 

A progressive Democrat said Israel had some "racist policies" and it resulted in over 400 members of the House of Representatives (97%) voting in favor of a resolution that condemned any claim that Israel promotes racism as "antisemitic"?

 

 

How is support for Palestine "woke" or "politically correct" in a political system that calls for eradicating Palestine?

Edited October 9, 2023 by Communion

[réveuse]

1 hour ago, NausAllien said:

Don't you EVER get tired of following the "woke" script? Can't you think on your own?

If you use woke in an argument, you have already lost the whole argument.

Edited October 9, 2023 by réveuse

[rihannafan]

3 hours ago, JustLikeHoney said:

I'll never understand siding with Hamas. I mean they said they were targeting an airport. How is that a military installation and not just attacking citizens? And citizens of other countries. 

 

I'm sorry the math is not adding. Also it's weird how China supports Hamas. 

 

Ah yes, Israel, famous for never targeting any airports

[Bears01]

2 hours ago, NausAllien said:

Don't you EVER get tired of following the "woke" script? Can't you think on your own?

 

Standing with the Israelis who were victims of terrorist attacks doesn't mean the condone the atrocities the GOVERNMENT of Israel does. It's insane some of you are INCAPABLE of understanding any nuance.

 

ANOTHER idiotic and worthless take from YOU. Using “WOKE” in an argument=YOU lost any and ALL credibility from the get go. 
 

I TOO can RANDOMLY capitalize RANDOM words to make ME sound SMARTER 

[Hurem]

What happened in Israel is disgusting.

 

What Israel did to Palestine for years is disgusting.

 

Remember it is okay to feel bad for victims on both sides. Innocent people should not pay for their country’s politics.

[réveuse]

21 minutes ago, Hurem said:

What happened in Israel is disgusting.

 

What Israel did to Palestine for years is disgusting.

 

Remember it is okay to feel bad for victims on both sides. Innocent people should not pay for their country’s politics.

This is how everyone should feel.

[Eternal220]

On the right side. I'm also glad there are more muslims out there voicing their support for Israel.

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

The ultimate keyboard warrior back on his ish 

 

What's happening in Israel is horrible and heartbreaking. These events also didn't spawn out of a vacuum. The Israeli government has been committing atrocities towards the Palestinian people for decades now. Where is all the outrage for the innocent men, women, and children murdered by the IDF?

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

@besaid is something about my comment above funny? Please explain

[AMIT]

That's disgusting of him and shows how far deep in the ideological hole he's fell into, but I'm not surprised. Trash.