Sawk Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, SecretSecret said: It's not just that conservatives are against trans rights, and if you're trans and support them you're acting against your own basic interests, as other posters already pointed out. You can't coherently be a trans conservative because conservatives don't recognize transness as a reality in the first place. They may tolerate it, but it's always going to be an abnormality for them. Your transness and the ideology you defend, at least when we're talking about gender issues, aren't really separate. The moment you declare yourself as trans, and decide to live as a trans person, you are deeming valid certain "progressive" values, and contradicting conservative ideas. Trans conservative is an oxymoron not because it's dumb to side with the people who hate you, but because your whole existence is already a contradiction of those conservative values. If these people really embraced conservatism, they'd never have transitioned, as they would believe that there is only man and woman, and there's nothing you can do to change that. But here’s the thing, no one is 100% completely conservative, just how no one is 100% completely liberal, everyone has attitudes towards certain topics that they might have in common with people and then in other topics, they might disagree, that’s just being a human. So while it is true that sometimes these people might act against their own best interest, that just shows how we as humans are complex people, not everyone is going to fit into a certain role in the exact way we expect them to express themselves and that’s okay. That’s an ideal I wish more newer progressive had about gender roles, being able to express yourself. 1
bluceleste Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Why would anyone be surprised that the comment section on YouTube is in agreement with the “conservatives”? Most of their viewpoints are shared by the “liberal” masses. It’s always entertaining seeing Blair White, the arch-nemesis of ultra leftist, annihilate anyone who comes for her. Edited October 9, 2023 by bluceleste 1
GreatestLoveofAll Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Ill never understand any trans person being a right winger cause no matter how much you eat they ass they still want you dead and gone. like... love yourselves.
barbiegrande Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, bluceleste said: Why would anyone be surprised that the comment section on YouTube is in agreement with the “conservatives”? Most of their viewpoints are shared by the “liberal” masses. It’s always entertaining seeing Blair White, the arch-nemesis of ultra leftist, annihilate anyone who comes for her. Please. I used to enjoy Blair’s content, but she’s just sad and miserable these days. Her schtick is so 2018 and late. I also wish someone would clock her on the “passable” debate. She seems to think she’s 100% unclockable and loves shaming non-passings trans people, but Blaire sweetie, there’s video footage of your manly linebacker shoulders on the internet. I would tell her that and watch her blow a gasket. Edited October 9, 2023 by barbiegrande 1
Take Me Apart Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Lumping all conservatives into a "they want to kill you" crowd is so ignorant and comes off as the direct equivalent of brainwashed conservatives who think all immigrants are trying to annihilate white people. Please look beyond Twitter and Instagram headlines. This is why we need LGBT people from all sides of the political spectrum instead of turning into the dangerous hivemind mentality of "it's US vs THEM". 5 1
Redstreak Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Communion said: The people saying "Blaire ate!!" when within the first five minutes, her only argument is: "I'm 100% not saying not passing means trans people deserve to be discriminated, but.... the girls who get it, get it, and the girls who don't, don't " Masculine cis lesbians have literally been attacked by TERFs within the US and UK for using women's bathrooms and having been assumed to be trans women. Blaire's arguments aren't logical; they're idiotic and ironically hoping the IDPOL part of your brain trusts her #experiences. There's a reason why she was washed up and nearly ran off of Youtube after spending 3 years harassing another trans woman and accusing her of being a "transtrender" only for it to be revealed Riley Dennis had been undergoing HRT the entire time and Blaire's entire "we can TELL when the dolls are not on hormones!" trans ~radar~ got debunked. She literally had to become the trans Chris Hansen to re-find a following and there's a through-line between "Blaire White helps catch trans predators online for right wing audiences!" to "Christian terrorists threaten to blow up trans healthcare clinics on the idea that trans people are groomers". And if you don't believe a fellow ATRLer who's followed this cretin for years, listen to a fellow Youtuber who's similarly been aware of Blaire's actions for years: It’s literally wild how most anti-trans arguments boil down to “but I think they’re unattractive and won’t sleep with them” 1
Redstreak Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 10 hours ago, awesomepossum said: Where is your proof of that? Have you ever persuaded anyone to change their mind on a major issue? What happened to Tucker Carlson or Milo Yiannoppajdjaid after they lost their platforming? 1
Lyrica Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Blaire ate them up and miss Blossom's talking points are just gonna convince everyone to side with conservatives 1
Redstreak Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Take Me Apart said: Lumping all conservatives into a "they want to kill you" crowd is so ignorant and comes off as the direct equivalent of brainwashed conservatives who think all immigrants are trying to annihilate white people. Please look beyond Twitter and Instagram headlines. This is why we need LGBT people from all sides of the political spectrum instead of turning into the dangerous hivemind mentality of "it's US vs THEM". Why is it ignorant? I don’t care if you *personally* don’t hate gay people if you still vote for the batshit crazies that do Edited October 9, 2023 by Redstreak 1
Lyrica Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 "Do not interrupt a black trans woman when she is speaking" says the person who interrupted everyone else and was always condescending. The entitlement is INSANE 4 1
ICLDXU4HS Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 All of the liberals being military stans. The non-binary person with the beard crying about insurance denying them for facial feminization surgery. Surprised Blaire didn’t drag them for that. I guess anyone that’s ugly or thinks they’re ugly and depressed about it should receive a gift card for a plastic surgeon too then. 4
Sannie Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 Blair used to provide a unique perspective from a trans conservative, but as the right has become more extreme, she has had to increase her grift and become more extreme herself in order to continue keeping the right watching her and using her as a token. She has essentially gotten to the point where she says she does not even believe trans women are women, and it is in direct response to her having to push out the same narrative her viewers have because it is the only way she can pay her bills. It is so sad and pathetic. It is only a matter of time before she starts advocating for the extermination of trans people or starts saying that maybe trans people are groomers. 1
Puttanesca Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 Blaire's behaviour and "arguments" were horrid. The fact that there's people out there that willingly listen to her nonsense and think she has anything valuable to say in 2023 eeeek. I still remember years ago her crying on a livestream because she didn't want to make anti-trans content anymore and that wasn't who she actually was, only for her to run right back to that content because the new stuff she was trying wasn't getting views. Who is falling for this?
awesomepossum Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 20 hours ago, shelven said: If one side is peddling objectively disproven and untrue information, then yes, any responsible and moral moderator should absolutely be "taking a side" and not allowing that false information to be presented as if it's just "a differing opinion." Having a different person in the video attempt to correct the false statement, then letting the person who made the statement repeat/expand on it with more false information, and then essentially cutting off that conversation and taking the stance of "welp, you heard both of them, you decide!" is irresponsible and is the exact logic that has put the U.S. in the political mess it's currently in where literally half the country believes in multiple wild conspiracy theories that have been repeatedly and flatly disproven. Maybe. But a lot of what you think has been 'proven false' really hasn't been. Like the covid example I used earlier.' Quote Oh of COURSE you're one of those "if you disagree with what I say, that means you're anti-free speech" people I never said that. Quote Wishing that a YouTube channel which advertises itself as educational and informative would take a harder stance against blatant misinformation by at least making it clearer that the misinformation is false is not "anti-free-speech" It is because you are presupposing that you know what is and is not true and false. If you deny the other side the opportunity to speak, you won't find out if you're wrong. That's the issue. So you can't take this hard stance on what's true and what's false because open discussion allows new truths to be discovered, and old beliefs to be proven false. That is how something gets disproven. 30 years ago, by your standards, a trans person telling you their gender identity would be the one being censored for saying something 'objectively false.' You have to allow open dialogue to discover new truths and disprove old falsehoods. In my view, what's true and false is always subjective to some degree. Not that there is no objective truth, but our ability as humans to discern and detect those truths is limited and flawed. So we need to keep an open mind. Even with something that's 'proven false', like the flat earth theory. Quote It's lazy and a cliche to say that it's "anti-free speech" to not actively promote other people's misinformation It is quite literally anti-free speech. I don't know why you're denying that. People who argue for the position you're taking, academically, are very clear and overt about the fact that they don't believe in free speech. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You are saying that free speech allows misinformation to be disseminated. It's an anti-free speech position. Jubilee doesn't actively promote a particular side. They allow both sides to be presented. That's the opposite of 'promoting' a particular view. 1
awesomepossum Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Redstreak said: What happened to Tucker Carlson or Milo Yiannoppajdjaid after they lost their platforming? Is it your perception that Tucker Carlson's ideas, and Milo Yiannopoulos' ideas, have disappeared since they've been deplatformed? Because, if you believe that, unfortunately for the world you are sadly mistaken. Their ideas and viewpoints are still widely held and acted upon.
FreeXone Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 Look I do believe some in the left make trans looks BAD and I agree with some points Blair’s makes but with the current political climate this should be an IN HOME CONVERSATION not spread out for the right to use against us.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 10, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, awesomepossum said: It is quite literally anti-free speech. Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with having your voice promoted on a giant platform. Freedom of Speech does not entitle you to being featured on Jubilee. It means the government won't arrest you for sharing an opinion—specifically one that is critical of the government.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 10, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 10, 2023 50 minutes ago, FreeXone said: Look I do believe some in the left make trans looks BAD and I agree with some points Blair’s makes but with the current political climate this should be an IN HOME CONVERSATION not spread out for the right to use against us. This is a good point. I am not trans. But, as a Black gay man, there are certain conversations I do not want to have or hash out with people that are not part of my communities. There are a lot of nitty-gritty and hectic conversations to be had within the community. But general audience doesn't need to be a part of it. IT only sows division and confusion.
FreeXone Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bloo said: This is a good point. I am not trans. But, as a Black gay man, there are certain conversations I do not want to have or hash out with people that are not part of my communities. There are a lot of nitty-gritty and hectic conversations to be had within the community. But general audience doesn't need to be a part of it. IT only sows division and confusion. Agrees I am a black and trans so I have my talking points against some of the community but those arguments are held between us dolls lol
moxcy Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 I found myself agreeing a lot with the conservatives side, I'm really surprised tbh.
Everasking Posted October 10, 2023 Posted October 10, 2023 Blaire cleared these braindead libs with EASE It's crazy how the Julibee hosts allowed them to personal jabs at her and get her worked up... then EDIT those parts out to make it seem like she rocked up in that bxdhtch mad and stressed. +Also refreshing to see that nobody in the comments was dishevelled by the way it was spliced and tampered with to try and set Blaire up... we see right through that blatant bias 1 3
Recommended Posts