news 200+ Murdered in Israel attack, 1,000+ injured

[Negev]

26 minutes ago, Embustera said:

Israel is an apartheid state. Someone has to stand up for the Palestinians and that is certainly not your government. My grandfather sees Israel as a terrorist state. They killed his parents and stole his family's land. How do you justify Israel's actions? Are you so brainwashed?

I'm sorry that your grandfather was displaced. my mom was smuggled out of Syria as a baby with her parents and they've left all of their belongings behind in 1960. Their escorts who carried them threw Lebanon also stole all of their jewelry and belongings. They left behind extended family and a home. This happened because they were Jewish in secret, and my grandfather was jailed when they found out he was practicing Judism. It is not a blame game.

 

Years have passed and the reality is that Israel exists. It is a country with its political issues and it isn't perfect but it exists. And in 2023 this isn't going to change and it's better to move forward accepting that this is the reality. Gaza is its own land with its own authority that neglets its people and their living conditions in the name of Allah, while being backed by bigger more established radical Islamic countries. 

 

I've lived here all my life and proudly served the IDF and the treatment of Palestinians is far from perfect but it is definitely not what you present, nor is it a mass genocide or ethnic cleansing. Buzzwords exist but they do not apply here, not anymore in our present day lifetimes. 

 

I'd let you challenge that I am brainwashed but the facts and what I've seen with my own eyes assist me in standing my ground proudly. 

 

If you are so vehemently protecting terrorism while not acknowledging that it is not the realistic and humane way to go about gaining peace and prosperity for both sides, I have nothing else to discuss with you.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Negev

[family.guy123]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

The same like 10 Western chauvinists who always somehow find themselves defending atrocities committed by Israel: No one is saying all Palestinians are at fault! We just want unequivocal condemnations of those who are attacking Israel! It shouldn't be that hard!

 

The actual posts being made in question about what people want Israel to do:

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Excuse me? Don’t put words in my mouth.

 

I was talking about a third party doing this to the land in dispute, which to my knowledge includes Israel. 
 

Based on the reactions, I realise this probably isn’t a good idea. But I get super heated when I see mention of dead kids.
 

Whatever punishment I get, fine.  But I just want to make it clear I was not coming from a pro Israel perspective 

[Harrier]

8 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

If you truly in your heart of hearts believed that “no,” then the outrage you feel about it now should’ve been quite literally a DAILY feeling for you the past 15 years when the Israeli gov, military and its own citizenry have been doing these actions to Palestinians and their children. But I’m not naive enough to believe that you have an equal reaction to the two because you, and all the rest of the Pearl clutching westerners in this thread, do in fact tacitly side with the clear oppressors, Israel. 

I am thoroughly uninterested in your moral handwringing about whether I 'reacted enough' to Israeli atrocities, given not long ago you posted openly celebrating the violence comitted against civillians, branding it as justified because they're 'settlers'. 

 

 

[Johnny Jacobs]

This thread like the last one is unnecessary. Hideous users will celebrate the attacks and then after a while mods will close it without holding them accountable for their evil comments. 

[KOMH]

Can't believe a war of this scale is erupting right before our eyes. Hamas must be eradicated and condemned in the strongest possible terms.

 

This is terrorism in its most disgusting form.

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Harrier said:

You can police my emotional reaction to witnessing videos of horrendous cold blooded violence against children as much as you wish. I dont apologise for it. 

You're being asked why you apparently didnt have the same emotional reaction to the exact same, often in larger scale, violence towards Palestinians as recently as just a few months ago. 

 

You're being asked why the violence today against Israel's borders is The Singular Event for you yet the realities of even more death and violence towards Palestinians wouldn't justify the same singularizing emotion for them. If this has reshapened your view of Palestinians as a people even as just a spectator, what exactly would similar scales of violence for the last decade repeatedly do to Palestinians living under occupations and their views of Israelis as a people?

 

Pogroms in Huwara at the start of the year. Air strikes and ground assaults on Jenin and other refugee camps throughout spring and summer. Hundreds of Palestinians murdered within the last 3 years alone and yet you seem to minimize this by demanding none of it be discussed in explaining what reality has unfolded. 

 

You arguing that today is more important than the "past" of the rest of 2023 that came before it suggests some kinds of lives are worth more than others. I haven't made any kind of comment like that. Only you have. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Communion

[doonerr]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

Both sides are committing horrible acts of violence. Neither side is looking good on this. 

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[KOMH]

58 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Evacuate the area, bomb it to pieces. Nobody allowed to live there anymore. Sad, but that’s what happens when people can’t behave. 

Excuse me, do you hear yourself? 

[Gov Hooka]

1 minute ago, Harrier said:

I am thoroughly uninterested in your moral handwringing about whether I 'reacted enough' to Israeli atrocities, given not long ago you posted openly celebrating the violence comitted against civillians, branding it as justified because they're 'settlers'. 

 

 

Nothing of what I posted was celebratory. It was an acknowledgment of FACT, which is something you guys frequently are utterly incapable of doing.  But keep going on with your selective outrage… 

[Johnny Jacobs]

1 minute ago, KOMH said:

Excuse me, do you hear yourself? 

Self awareness is hard to come by with some users here. 

 

Don’t fight it. It's in their core