news Russia presents plans for new Russian empire

[ontherocks]

Oh wow, oh wow. I thought Russia was just trying to denazify Ukraine, but turns out that Russia's plans go way beyond. Interesting, ain't it?  Brought to you of course by your dearest russian national tv. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-russian-empire-restore-sergey-mardan-1830854

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by ontherocks

[ProudLBS]

girl give us a map or something

[illia]

5 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

girl give us a map or something

Basically this

 

 

(the fuller map):

Edited September 30, 2023 by Flomik

[Revolution]

wbk which is why the baltic girls ran to join nato

[playwithme]

This has always been their goal. Russia is a fascist state that wants to subjugate and ethnically cleanse its former colonies. The vile genocidal rhetoric toward Ukrainians has become mundane in their political discourse. It’s actually horrifying, and there’s tons of morons from the West who help them spread the most vile dehumanizing propaganda about Ukrainians. 
 

Russia must be crushed and denazified. I don’t want to live in a world where this vile country is allowed to subjugate half of Europe again. If Ukraine falls, they will start invading the Baltic countries (their top officials, generals and propagandists are openly stating this). I don’t think that NATO will be defending them since anti-NATO isolationist rhetoric is growing stronger in the U.S. MAGA fascists will be screaming about why they should send their soldiers to defend tiny countries like Latvia. 
 

Unfortunately, modern institutions like the UN are completely broken. Basically, you are going to get away with anything as long as you have nuclear weapons. Ukraine should have kept its nukes instead of caving to pressure from the U.S. Now, it either has to fight or be erased. A terrible predicament. I hope that the Ukrainians are enriching uranium right ******* now because they cannot rely on support from such “partners” as the U.S. considering that MAGA fascists keep gaining more power. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by playwithme

[Komet]

 

[Thin White Duke]

Good luck with that. Clueless Russian bastards.

[Illuminati]

1 hour ago, Revolution said:

wbk which is why the baltic girls ran to join nato

And we never looked back at that shithole x

 

 

[Rev8]

Surprised they haven't included the European block, knowing their greed

[Navy4Life]

The fact that they can’t even get through a part of Ukraine and they think they could pull this off. Poland ALONE would destroy them

[HEAVYONIT]

Who seriously only thought that Putin’s ambitions were just Ukraine?  This should be a shock to NO ONE.

[John Slayne]

they're dreamers, they dream a lot in their sleep 

[shookspeare]

удачи with booking that empire you speak of

[ZIVERT]

What Wendy said

[Aethereal]

5 hours ago, ontherocks said:

Oh wow, oh wow. I thought Russia was just trying to denazify Ukraine, but turns out that Russia's plans go way beyond. Interesting, ain't it?  Brought to you of course by your dearest russian national tv. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-russian-empire-restore-sergey-mardan-1830854

 

It was reported that Russia expecting a full takeover of Ukraine within several weeks and later in early 2022 an article leaked about "the New World Order" so they thought ... 

[AMIT]

5 hours ago, ontherocks said:

Oh wow, oh wow. I thought Russia was just trying to denazify Ukraine, but turns out that Russia's plans go way beyond. Interesting, ain't it?  Brought to you of course by your dearest russian national tv. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-russian-empire-restore-sergey-mardan-1830854

 

who ever said that? 

[Popboi.]

They can’t even get Ukraine, a much smaller country, with a planned invasion and think they can pull this off???? 

 

[ontherocks]

17 hours ago, AMIT said:

who ever said that? 

A bunch of members on here claim that Russia is just fighting against the evil Nazis in Ukraine. They are never tired of bringing it up. Surprisingly, none of them entered this thread. I am shocked, tbh 

[ClashAndBurn]

19 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

A bunch of members on here claim that Russia is just fighting against the evil Nazis in Ukraine. They are never tired of bringing it up. Surprisingly, none of them entered this thread. I am shocked, tbh 

Not once has any poster on this forum ever given credence to the idea that Putin's claim of "de-Nazifying Ukraine" was a legitimate justification for his failed attempt at conquest and empire-building. If you're going to spread libel about other posters, at least try to make an intelligent claim that is even halfway grounded in reality for once.  

 

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Russia thinking it can rebuild its imperial legacy beyond its current borders is laughable, though. The fact that they're facing resistance merely from NATO/the US supplying and bankrolling Ukraine's entire existence shows they're in over their skis. Pushing into actual NATO territory would be tantamount to a suicide pact. Putin's only hope would be for Trump to win a second term next year, and that's only ever going to be a 50/50 chance for better or worse.

[ontherocks]

Sorry you feel that way or happy for you. Stopped reading after seeing who quoted me. 

 

 

[Pendulum]

Sarah Palin will not be able to see Russia from her house anymore, she would live in it  

[byzantium]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Not once has any poster on this forum ever given credence to the idea that Putin's claim of "de-Nazifying Ukraine" was a legitimate justification for his failed attempt at conquest and empire-building. If you're going to spread libel about other posters, at least try to make an intelligent claim that is even halfway grounded in reality for once.  

 

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Russia thinking it can rebuild its imperial legacy beyond its current borders is laughable, though. The fact that they're facing resistance merely from NATO/the US supplying and bankrolling Ukraine's entire existence shows they're in over their skis. Pushing into actual NATO territory would be tantamount to a suicide pact. Putin's only hope would be for Trump to win a second term next year, and that's only ever going to be a 50/50 chance for better or worse.

The fact that you felt the need to respond kind of says it all.

[Communion]

5 hours ago, byzantium said:

The fact that you felt the need to respond kind of says it all.

I mean... not really. @ontherocks is a right-winger German who consistently makes bad faith arguments while ironically peddling race essentialist fear-mongering over "the West" and supports right-wing politicians in the Global South. Does someone who cheered for Bolsonaro over Lula because "anyone who listens to the West is best" deserve to be seen as having a valid, respectable opinion? Am I meant to be lectured on by someone to the right of like..... Angela Merkel? 

 

Now if they try to respond to this post trying to defend themselves, similarly I can say their need to respond says it all, no? 

 

I think it's interesting that the actual quote in the OP shows that the characteristics of those in power in Russia are - as we know - inherently right-wing.

 

That there is no actual mourning of or missing amongst the far-right oligarchs for the time of the USSR and socialism. That they actually miss the Russian Empire and formations of power that came before the Soviet Union. Of course anyone would know this given leftists are suppressed in Putin's Russia (just like across Eastern Europe).

 

And yet constant language is used in the West is to suggest the Russian Federation and the USSR are still one, likely to conjure up Cold War sentiments despite it being incoherent to compare them when even those holding the keys of power in modern Russia hold little desire to go back to such, and have used all levers of power to essentially disenfranchise anyone remotely left-wing who supports the ideas of socialism. 

 

One has to wonder the intent behind the largely unnecessary (aid for foreign wars have been sold to the US public with 1/10th the media campaign) narrative that portrays the world's most powerful anti-communist as somehow a communist despite such a framework being nonsensical to the nationalist war he's pushing:

 

[ontherocks]

I voted Green Party and Social Democrats in Germany and always have, but sure, I am a right winger

[katykater]

Not just any empire.

 

Their system of never willing to be productive and when they run out of stuff, just steal it, grab it,... in the most violent way from another territory is learned from the Huns. They are basically land pirates, when the slices of the pie run out, they start at least 1 war per decade to grab another pie they can cut into pieces.

 

 

An exception to the rule of nomad people became what they have conquered, the russians went the other way: the conquered became like the overlords. The Mongol Empire is an extractive institution, they just took the wealth/resources and those who didn't give in, were pillaged, slaughtered and burned down to the ground. And human remains were left out in the field for decades for everyone to see what would happen if you don't handover your stuff to the Huns.

 

What the russians want, is deleting all progress mankind has made in last 800 years. We are not talking about gay rights, but basic things like getting paid for the work you do, being locked/chained inside a plot of land like farm animals,... The russians have always moved in the other direction towards unlimited power.

• When the Plague killed 1/3 of the population in Europe, there was a workers shortage and the landlords started bidding against each other by offering higher pay for the remaining peasants. In the past peasants worked for the protection of a lord and it changed to a wage based system. Serfdom started disappearing. In russia it was the opposite, about time to start installing the serfdom the rest of Europe was abolishing. Let's chain the people to the land like how farm animals are kept inside a plot of land. That's why russians have internal passports they have to show when they buy a train ticket.
• The same with the rise of middle class, merchants, cities,... in Europa abolished the absolute monarchies. In russia they perfected absolute power by making sure that independent wealth/power is impossible by making people fall out of a window, drinking tea, drop a private jet,... The oligarchs, boyars,... are the managers handling the Tsar's money/wealth, but don't own it because the Tsar can always take it back.
• Money/power is assigned in a hierarchy:
  • Dumb mobsters get the most power/wealth and the most easy to run oil and gas companies. Because they are too dumb to use their power to become a threat to the Tsar.
  • Metallurgy is more complicated and run by the old guys from before Putin.
  • Machine building is most complicated/competitive that requires smart people (who must be kept as poor/powerless as possible). The higher tiers bump up the commodity prices for their personal gain while making the machine builders impossible to make profit. And they offshored as much machine building/maintenance work to EU countries. Foreign companies making money isn't a problem, because foreign companies aren't spending the money on buying loyalty/influence/power in russia. So the russian ability to make weapons or anything else must be kept as weak as possible to prevent to smart people from getting wealth/power. Push as much industry/technology across the border as possible. Devolving towards a peasant economy is what they want.
• A lot of corruption, stealing and other crime is allowed because the Tsar needs kompromat to blackmail someone into doing something and have the evidence ready to throw someone in prison. That's why russia has a large market share in cybercrime. As long the criminals are not standing in the way of the Tsar, they are protected against the foreign powers wanting to stop it. When the Tsar needs hackers, criminals,... to do something for him, there is a large pool of people who will do what the Tsar wants.
• Human resources are for russia literal resources like oil, gas, coal, steel,... and can be used as cannon fodder. Their population is ageing and shrinking by a million people per year. The solution is kidnapping as much children from Ukraine as possible and move them deeply in russia towards Siberia. They try to convert Ukrainian children into the next generation of Orcs who must do to another country what the current generation of Orcs are doing to Ukraine.

 

Like in Lord of the Rings, Orcs weren't born that way:

 

Quote

"They were Elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated, a terrible, ruined form of life..."

—Saruman in The Fellowship of the Ring film adaptation

They were taken/kidnapped and brainwashed, ruined,... into Orcs.

 

 

The war against russia isn't just against their military, Putin, his regime,... but we are talking about taking an entire system down. Because their system will breed new Stalins, Putins,... and their population thinks that "lesser cultures or ethnic groups" deserve to be wiped out, replaced,... Democracy is for them the word for chaos and disaster years. For the russian people there must be a strong Tsar to make life worth living.

 

Their system is so old, incompatible,... with the rest like the bubonic plague. There are certain things that better stays locked in the history books and should not be let out in today's world.

 

 

More on the differences between Ukrainian people and russian people. It is not just the leaders and politics, there are vast differences down to the individual level that is clearly visible when you drive through the country and see the rural towns too.

 

 

Whether our generations are too soft to be able to deal with evil that has to be crushed.

Edited October 1, 2023 by katykater