base talk Renaissance only 3 million daily streams, what happened??

[carameldelight]

23 hours ago, Axelios said:

The playlisting Renaissance singles received is much more significant than a MV (it's 2023 ).  For example BMS received more playlisting than Taylor Swift Anti-Hero despite the latter being the much bigger hit.

 

What amazing playlisting did Renaissance have outside of initial release? I forget which song it was, but it was only on the top of TTH for 3 hours then taken down. 

 

She didn't even push the most streamed song at the time, Alien Superstar. 

[Comedor]

She’s not a top performer on Spotify we get it. Thanks for the monthly reminder and for keeping us updated.

 

 

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

What amazing playlisting did Renaissance have outside of initial release? I forget which song it was, but it was only on the top of TTH for 3 hours then taken down. 

 

She didn't even push the most streamed song at the time, Alien Superstar. 

Both BMS and Cuff It had great playlisting. Cuff It was falling hard on the global Spotify charts while still being on TTH

[carameldelight]

21 hours ago, period sis said:

LUV how Beyonce is the only 90s act to have their streams constantly compared with streaming-era acts... it's honestly a compliment at this point

 

-

 

Renaissance as an album has been over for months now. There is no current active single, no music videos, and no REAL promotion. There is NOTHING that is making an average listener want to go back and listen to it. Not even mentioning how she comes from an older generation where her audience normally doesn't stream.

I don't get why a tour has to automatically make an album streams consistently high, majority of people who attended RWT are casual listeners who are not spamming Renaissance or her albums on the daily. They go because they want to see a show. I don't see Pink's new album getting high streams despite having sold-out stadium shows every night... 

Yes, the tour kept it alive for a few months, but her failure to capitalize off the big viral moments it had is what made the album ultimately die. When HEATED was reaching new streaming peaks, it should've had its playlisting amped up and added to the radio - but it didn't. When AHAP was going viral on TikTok, any logical team would have done everything to make it bigger, then they released a remix with Kendrick Lamar, where it didn't even get an Urban Radio add. Every opportunity was wasted and ruined, so it doesn't take much to understand why the album isn't getting better streams. But still, comparing to Harry's album, with 5 singles; all with music videos and heavy airplay, live TV appearances, Radio interviews, accessible music, and MUCH more... makes no sense

 

That certain fanbase trying to diminish and erase Beyonce's 25+ year career for the sake of Spotify streams is laughable at this point

Common sense. 

[carameldelight]

8 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Considering that Taylor is adored by both media and GP while Beyonce's marketing only results with media praise but fails to win GP, i would not say that Beyonce's marketing is actually working. 

 

GP is not buying that goddess image anymore hence why the likes of MJ (who has been dead for 15 years) and Rihanna (who has not released any album in the last 7 years) outsold her this year. 

Damn, even Katy Perry has more monthly listeners 

Taylor is finally getting the praise from the media and GP at 32 that Beyonce already had two decades ago.  She and your fanbase is playing catch up, not the other way around. And it's not hard to gain favor when you make inoffensive pop music and people are obsessed with your love life that she capitalizes on. Britney was the GP and media darling at one point too. It's not the flex you think it is. Ms. Swift even thought she was declining after lover era, keep it cute. 

 

Meanwhile Beyonce continues to make boundary pushing and genre bending material that the GP will either love or hate. And grossing almost a billion dollars regardless of lack of promo or single success that other artists can never claim. 

[kimberly]

you know you that ***** when you cause all this conversation

always stay gracious best revenge is your paper

 

 

[carameldelight]

30 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Both BMS and Cuff It had great playlisting. Cuff It was falling hard on the global Spotify charts while still being on TTH

Lol, so basically one single she didn't promote and removed from radio and the second moderate hit that she also didn't promote was the amazing playlisting? 

 

Bye.

[BGKC]

3M is ok, not great, but ok considering she only pushed 2 singles within the first few months and left the other potential singles to carry more weight than the lead single for a year (Heated and Alien Superstar for example were doing more daily streams than BMS for a while, almost twice as much at times). Those two potential hits alone could have added an extra 1-2M daily streams to the album overall if they got single/radio treatment, but that ship has sailed. The fact that non singles carried much of the weight and became instant cult classics was impressive enough, but they can only do so much for so long. We can blame her team all day, but it’s likely just her not caring about single success like the others do. If she wasn’t such a legendary touring force 25 years into her career then we’d have her working harder to make the album more of a commercial success the way any artist looking for profit would. We’d have it doing 5M daily with Heated and/or Alien Superstar pushed as singles, a Grammy/VMA performance, some

music videos etc. The reality is she only cares about the tour gross numbers in 2023 (not the streaming numbers). 

And I know she technically released AHAP as a single but there was real no push. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by BGKC

[Axelios]

Just now, carameldelight said:

Lol, so basically one single she didn't promote and removed from radio and the second moderate hit that she also didn't promote was the amazing playlisting? 

 

Bye.

BMS wasn't removed from radio. It had a radio deal until album release and fell hard after due to mediocre callouts. The exact same thing happened to Vampire recently.

[byzantium]

19 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

Taylor is finally getting the praise from the media and GP at 32 that Beyonce already had two decades ago.  She and your fanbase is playing catch up, not the other way around.

Do you seriously believe this?  You act like Taylor Swift was some unknown indie artist until last year.  
 

Like she released a Diamond record in 2008 that won AOTY…that sounds like media and GP praise. 

[family.guy123]

ATRL stop proudly displaying hatred of women challenge when 

[swissman]

I don't get the point of bringing up TTH playlisting. If its placement was undue compared the success of the songs, how is that supposed to have any effect on what the album is streaming today while there is ZERO songs on TTH?

[swissman]

I believe no one has yet to meaningfully answer which of her late-1990s, early-2000s peers is out-streaming her with their latest releases in order to set the precedence that she should be doing better on streaming. Eminem? Shakira? Anyone else? Because it really just seems like this thread was created to put her down and not actually understand the factors that would go into the numbers being what they are. Every reason offered (in a thread that asks for reasons) seems to not be accepted.

 

SO what is it?

If she is not just a woman in pop of a certain age who has avoided Spotify for the last decade and who only last year debuted her first solo album to the platform which happens to be a niche-genre queer-black-dance-led album amidst an era of increased homophobia and who has refused to promote her work but for the bare minimum, who hasn't even released one video let alone two or three, whose only performances are iPhone tour videos and whose last "promoted" single was released a year ago... then what is it?

 

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by swissman

[WildHeart]

37 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

Taylor is finally getting the praise from the media and GP at 32 that Beyonce already had two decades ago.  She and your fanbase is playing catch up, not the other way around

Was that media praise in the room with us?

It started with ST when she was 32. Until ST, her highest rated album was 73 with 2 of her albums being in 60s. 

And the GP part is even funnier when 1989 is bigger than any album from Beyonce... 

[swissman]

10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Was that media praise in the room with us?

It started with ST when she was 32. Until ST, her highest rated album was 73 with 2 of her albums being in 60s. 

And the GP part is even funnier when 1989 is bigger than any album from Beyonce... 

well yes, after ST critics started looking at pop differently and suddenly weaker albums were getting higher scores than better albums in the 2000s (we can look at Kylie's Tension score compared to some of her classics as evidence of this) and Beyoncé herself became almost an immediate legend in 2013. The GP part isn't funny at all because even with ST not being as commercially huge as 1989, it still ushered in the era where everyone started seeing Beyoncé as a one-of-a-kind, top tier artist, whose name then began to be used a a synonym for excellence itself (a great example of this is the many times in reality tv competition shows, a contestant will refer to themselves as "The Beyoncé of this competition".).

[period sis]

I think the real reason that fanbase has such an issue with Beyonce is that she's still achieving so much so far into her career without doing much, but since she's not great at streaming, they have to think it's fake and manipulated and PR'd  Her achieving an almost half a billion grossing tour is a hard concept for them since her spotify streams are bad, so having a smash stadium tour *must* be false and fake since she's not outstreaming Harry Styles. 

[Aethereal]

Renaissance stats for those who are not aware:

 

3.2M album units from streaming only (will hit 3.3M in the end of Decemember)

+406K pure sales from United States

420K digital single sales which equals (in CM formula) around 60K album units.

200K-300K pure album sales outside of USA (I am assuming and lowballing)

 

Total WW album units should be over 3.85M WW so far, will get over 4M by the Christmas time. It was a respectful decline from Lemonade's ~6.5M album units given the age of Beyonce and her career. And also the gap would've been much smaller with promo and visuals released. 

[carameldelight]

2 hours ago, byzantium said:

Do you seriously believe this?  You act like Taylor Swift was some unknown indie artist until last year.  
 

Like she released a Diamond record in 2008 that won AOTY…that sounds like media and GP praise. 

Yes. If you understand context,  that is easily measured. She was always popular but never the IT girl media darling with clear impact/power she has today. She didn't even receive much critical acclaim until folklore by both media and public. Example, Billie Eillish won AOTY at 19 years old, while she's popular that no way is what I'm referring to in terms of mainstream impact. Beyonce didn't get to that level of fame by only sales or awards, it was sheer incomparable performance and vocal abilities, a feat most artists will never meet or attain. It's an exclusive club. This is what will always separate her from everyone, including Taylor. And the funny thing is, as established by Independent woman and Survivor, Beyonce can write a cultural defining hit song when she wants to. She has all the pieces. 

 

At a certain point you all will have to understand sales, isn't always the end all be all. There are literally 6 or 7 black artists total out of the 92 diamond albums, and only three of them are r&b/hip hop. Music that is safe, always sells and markets well. Especially for white artists, it is what it is. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by carameldelight

[Beyle Street]

"Only" 3M as if that's supposed to be atrocious? Her first big streaming hit (Cuff It) and SEVERAL tracks (Alien, Heated, AHAP, Cozy, ITG, Energy) with over 100M+ streams is a flop? There's NO active single, music video, or anything being pushed that would make this have SOUR pop numbers a year later. 

For comparison to a streaming giant like Kanye; Donda did 100M in its first 2 days and obliterated anything Renaissance did streaming wise in its first week. Yet, with half the tracks, Renaissance is about to surpass its overall streams (at 2.5B) and doing better chart wise in its first year than Donda did  she's doing fine. 

[byzantium]

40 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

Yes. If you understand context,  that is easily measured. She was always popular but never the IT girl media darling with clear impact/power she has today. She didn't even receive much critical acclaim until folklore by both media and public. Example, Billie Eillish won AOTY at 19 years old, while she's popular that no way is what I'm referring to in terms of mainstream impact. Beyonce didn't get to that level of fame by only sales or awards, it was sheer incomparable performance and vocal abilities, a feat most artists will never meet or attain. It's an exclusive club. This is what will always separate her from everyone, including Taylor. And the funny thing is, as established by Independent woman and Survivor, Beyonce can write a cultural defining hit song when she wants to. She has all the pieces. 

 

At a certain point you all will have to understand sales, isn't always the end all be all. There are literally 6 or 7 black artists total out of the 92 diamond albums, and only three of them are r&b/hip hop. Music that is safe, always sells and markets well. Especially for white artists, it is what it is. 

It’s weird that you start talking about something being easily measured, and then go into “impact” which is more or less just a term you use to discredit other artist’s success, influence and acclaim. 

[Axelios]

4 hours ago, carameldelight said:

Taylor is finally getting the praise from the media and GP at 32 that Beyonce already had two decades ago.  She and your fanbase is playing catch up, not the other way around. And it's not hard to gain favor when you make inoffensive pop music and people are obsessed with your love life that she capitalizes on. Britney was the GP and media darling at one point too. It's not the flex you think it is. Ms. Swift even thought she was declining after lover era, keep it cute. 

The delusion behind this post is crazy. 

Beyonce during her whole career never reached Taylor numerous peaks and Lover is much bigger than anything Beyonce made since the 2000s.

[Bears01]

1 hour ago, Beyle Street said:

"Only" 3M as if that's supposed to be atrocious? Her first big streaming hit (Cuff It) and SEVERAL tracks (Alien, Heated, AHAP, Cozy, ITG, Energy) with over 100M+ streams is a flop? There's NO active single, music video, or anything being pushed that would make this have SOUR pop numbers a year later. 

For comparison to a streaming giant like Kanye; Donda did 100M in its first 2 days and obliterated anything Renaissance did streaming wise in its first week. Yet, with half the tracks, Renaissance is about to surpass its overall streams (at 2.5B) and doing better chart wise in its first year than Donda did  she's doing fine. 

@Axelios are you going to just ignore this or are you going to continue to troll and get triggered over someone bringing up Taylor? 

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, Beyle Street said:

"Only" 3M as if that's supposed to be atrocious? Her first big streaming hit (Cuff It) and SEVERAL tracks (Alien, Heated, AHAP, Cozy, ITG, Energy) with over 100M+ streams is a flop? There's NO active single, music video, or anything being pushed that would make this have SOUR pop numbers a year later. 

For comparison to a streaming giant like Kanye; Donda did 100M in its first 2 days and obliterated anything Renaissance did streaming wise in its first week. Yet, with half the tracks, Renaissance is about to surpass its overall streams (at 2.5B) and doing better chart wise in its first year than Donda did  she's doing fine. 

 

14 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

@Axelios are you going to just ignore this or are you going to continue to troll and get triggered over someone bringing up Taylor? 

I wouldn't call Kanye West "a streaming giant" and Donda was a huge underperformance for him probably due to his controversies. 

It's good that you bring up Sour because that album didn't need any active single or promo post rollout to have incredible longevity.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Axelios

[Beyle Street]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

 

I wouldn't call Kanye West "a streaming giant" and Donda was a huge underperformance for him probably due to his controversies. 

It's good that you bring up Sour because that album didn't need any active single or promo post rollout to have incredible longevity.

Kanye is constantly in the top 10/15 of Global Artists Daily on Spotify. 

Donda did 95M on its first day on a SUNDAY and increased to 100M on its 2nd day. Did over 440M in its first week on Spotify ALONE. That's not even counting AM. The only way it underperformed was how it did with longevity, which was pretty meh. See what happens when you only focus on Taylor and can't get out of popirl bubblegum Twitter? 

Donda's tracks with over 100M streams:
Praise God
Hurricane
Off The Grid
Jail
Moon 
Believe What I Say


Renaissance's tracks with over 100M streams:
Cuff It
BMS
Alien Superstar
Heated
AHAP
Energy
Cozy 
I'm That Girl
Summer Renaissance right on the way

[Bears01]

26 minutes ago, Axelios said:

 

I wouldn't call Kanye West "a streaming giant" and Donda was a huge underperformance for him probably due to his controversies. 

It's good that you bring up Sour because that album didn't need any active single or promo post rollout to have incredible longevity.

This is why you’re a terrible troll: https://charts.spotify.com/charts/view/artist-global-daily/latest

 

Check to see where Kanye ranks as recently as: yesterday