base talk Renaissance only 3 million daily streams, what happened??

[gustavothehuman]

It's been more than a year since the album was released and she didn't even made the effort to promote it.

All in all, I think 3 million streams is actually quite solid, specially for someone who is in the game for over 20 years now.

[swissman]

6 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Well again, shes a legacy act. Cuff It became her biggest hit on charts in a decade, so theres really no point in arguing against it being a hit in her repertoire. It did really well for almost an entire year (globally speaking at that), which is already crazy good for someone whos been successfully in the industry for more than 25+ years.

not to mention Beyoncé did what... upload an Instagram story in the fall calling it "CUFF IT SEASON" and what else to promote it? A remix four months later?

If the point is "other 2022 hits are oustreaming it" I'd be curious to know if they have at least a music video, let alone anything more than an IG story post and one remix.

[Bears01]

22 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Even Cuff It had poor streaming longevity compared to other 2022 hits unfortunately 

The song is Diamond in France and Brazil…..

[Rotunda]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

The emphasis placed on how long ago she debuted is really misguided and frankly a bit misogynist and ageist that you feel you need to use it as an excuse as to why she may underperform.

Words mean things

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, on the line said:

Lol what though? 

 

Both AOTY nominees. Both numerous (paid or "sponsored") articles touting them as the AOTY winner. Both on the top world wide (stadium?) tours. Both on nearly every "Year End Best Of" lists, and I could go on and on and on. Renny should be doing WAY better w/ all the critical praise and "sold out" tour hype. USA Today is hiring/has hired a writer exclusively for Beyonce news. Just #facts (/icespice). 

 

The emphasis placed on how long ago she debuted is really misguided and frankly a bit misogynist and ageist that you feel you need to use it as an excuse as to why she may underperform. It's quite weird. The music just didn't connect with most people, and that's OKAY. Not sure why it's so hard for some to admit that.

In what way is it ageist and misogynistic to point out ageism and misogyny in the industry and/or listeners tastes?

Can you name one, let alone two, three, four or five artists who debuted in 1997 or even 2003 with better streams on their last album? The only person I can imagine from that time period who might be doing it is Eminem, a white man.

The difference between Harry and Beyoncé's albums is huge though. Beyoncé released a pro-LGBTQ+ album during a time when America/the world was coming out with their queer phobia. Harry wore sparkly outfits, and that's about the extent of any sort of offence or distaste his album may have caused the public.

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

not to mention Beyoncé did what... upload an Instagram story in the fall calling it "CUFF IT SEASON" and what else to promote it? A remix four months later?

If the point is "other 2022 hits are oustreaming it" I'd be curious to know if they have at least a music video, let alone anything more than an IG story post and one remix.

The playlisting Renaissance singles received is much more significant than a MV (it's 2023 ).  For example BMS received more playlisting than Taylor Swift Anti-Hero despite the latter being the much bigger hit.

 

[Spooky Mulder]

I think those are good numbers.

[swissman]

2 hours ago, swissman said:

I was at the RWT and someone told me RENAISSANCE was her least favourite Beyoncé album. And this was in the VIP, not a cheap ticket that any ole fair-weather fan would purchase. People need to realize that though you think the album SHOULD be getting a certain amount of streaming numbers, it's not everyone's cup of tea. It's highly specific in its references to Black queer music, and a lot of people don't get it, don't vibe with that, or just want her basic, commercial, inoffensive stuff like Halo or Me, Myself and I. Not only that, but she's never once meaningfully promoted it, and I think people underestimate the power of a music video in selling people a concept, an idea, even a song.

 

Comparing her, therefore, to Harry's House (like the OP did) is pretty wild. Not only is he a newer artist (his debut album come out the same year Beyoncé was announced to make history headlining Coachella) but his album is far more placid and digestible for the masses than RENAISSANCE, not to mention the difference in promo, the bigger hit he had, the demographic he appeals to, etc. etc. etc.

 

 

Quoting myself because I think this is an important point.

Even some Hive weren't down with the change in direction/sound/theme that Beyoncé did with RENAISSANCE. Even people who spent HUNDREDS of dollars on tickets to her tour. So what makes you think the average GP, many of which are proud homophobes, transphobes and racists, going to be streaming a Black-queer-inspired dance record over and over that was barely promoted or even largely explained to them?

[on the line]

Just now, swissman said:

In what way is it ageist and misogynistic to point out ageism and misogyny in the industry and/or listeners tastes?

Can you name one, let alone two, three, four or five artists who debuted in 1997 or even 2003 with better streams on their last album? The only person I can imagine from that time period who might be doing it is Eminem, a white man.

The difference between Harry and Beyoncé's albums is huge though. Beyoncé released a pro-LGBTQ+ album during a time when America/the world was coming out with their queer phobia. Harry wore sparkly outfits, and that's about the extent of any sort of offence or distaste his album may have caused the public.

The bass goal posts are getting bigger!

 

"Beyonce was the first woman to release an album at 11:42:32 while wearing a purple wig with two strands of gold that relate to her gold teeth which is custom from her region of Houston and founded in 1872 while Columbus sailed the ocean blue and Queen Ferndidad wrote the song but Beyonce changed the lyric to say home instead of house so it really is her personal touch that made her pregnant with a foldable belly during a pro-ketchup movement sponsored by Tesla."

 

#exhausted 

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

The song is Diamond in France and Brazil…..

I guess it's a big success in these two markets then. I'm talking about its global longevity.

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

I guess it's a big success in these two markets then. I'm talking about its global longevity.

It’s certifications are right here Dawg: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuff_It

 

Keep in mind the U.S. hasn’t posted anything even though it’s 4X platinum eligible 

[swissman]

3 minutes ago, on the line said:

The bass goal posts are getting bigger!

 

"Beyonce was the first woman to release an album at 11:42:32 while wearing a purple wig with two strands of gold that relate to her gold teeth which is custom from her region of Houston and founded in 1872 while Columbus sailed the ocean blue and Queen Ferndidad wrote the song but Beyonce changed the lyric to say home instead of house so it really is her personal touch that made her pregnant with a foldable belly during a pro-ketchup movement sponsored by Tesla."

 

#exhausted 

Not sure where in my entire post I even mentioned anything like that?
 

Is it the part where I called Eminem a white man in response to you saying it's ageist and misogynistic to talk about how it's harder for women (and I added "of colour" into my inference) to sustain long, successful careers?

So please which artists debuting between 1997-2003 are out streaming Beyoncé's last album with their's?

 

And you're the one who is exhausted but can't even keep on topic?

[Red Velvet]

no visuals no streams

 

No but she has done nothing with this other than the huge tour. 

 

Luckily Cuff It went viral on its own or...

[on the line]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

 

Not sure where in my entire post I even mentioned anything like that?
 

Is it the part where I called Eminem a white man in response to you saying it's ageist and misogynistic to talk about how it's harder for women (and I added "of colour" into my inference) to sustain long, successful careers?

So please which artists debuting between 1997-2003 are out streaming Beyoncé's last album with their's?

 

And you're the one who is exhausted but can't even keep on topic?

My very on-topic response is my reaction to your very specific qualifiers (aka goal posts). It IS impressive Beyonce is still actively making music when most of her peers have retired or are doing legacy tours, but ya'll are putting way too much emphasis on that to justify her lack of streaming power while on a worldwide "sold out" tour. You don't get much more press and relevancy than she is getting right now. The album just isn't all that. Shrug.

[iammadmat]

9 hours ago, Fitzswiftie said:

Literally only Shakira, her 2023 droplets are doing 5.7m daily.

 

Her peers latest projects daily streams in (2022 or 2023 albums).

 

• Kylie Minogue (2023) - 1.913m (just released 4 days ago)

• Pink (2023) - 982,661

• Ciara (2023) - 244,475

• Kelly Clarkson (2023) - 232,296

• Avril Lavigne (2022) - 206,544

• Jennifer Lopez (2022) - 62,767

• Christina Aguilera (2022) - 46,511

• Alicia Keys (2021) - 36,871

• Mary J. Blige (2022) - 23,175

• Toni Braxton (2020) - 6,459

• Mandy Moore (2022) - 2,865

How is Kylie minogue her peer if she debuted 10 years before Beyoncé? 💀

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

My very on-topic response is my reaction to your very specific qualifiers (aka goal posts). It IS impressive Beyonce is still actively making music when most of her peers have retired or are doing legacy tours, but ya'll are putting way too much emphasis on that to justify her lack of streaming power while on a worldwide "sold out" tour. You don't get much more press and relevancy than she is getting right now. The album just isn't all that. Shrug.

@Axelios your dupe account is going crazy again 

[AxelFox]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

My very on-topic response is my reaction to your very specific qualifiers (aka goal posts). It IS impressive Beyonce is still actively making music when most of her peers have retired or are doing legacy tours, but ya'll are putting way too much emphasis on that to justify her lack of streaming power while on a worldwide "sold out" tour. You don't get much more press and relevancy than she is getting right now. The album just isn't all that. Shrug.

I'm sorry but what answer are you exactly looking for here? 
 

That the album isn't smashing as hard as it should to be worthy of it's praise and acclaim? Is this what's really bothering you? That despite not being as commercially succesful Beyoncé's work still receives more acclaim and reverence compared to your fave? Success has never been the detrimental factor in quality as far as music goes, and it most definitely isn't in this day and age. 
 

The album is in fact all that, and the pathetic tantrum you and your fellow middle school gang are throwing over spotify streams in here is not gonna change that. 

[swissman]

20 minutes ago, Axelios said:

The playlisting Renaissance singles received is much more significant than a MV (it's 2023 ).  For example BMS received more playlisting than Taylor Swift Anti-Hero despite the latter being the much bigger hit.

 

Okay and Anti-Hero also had a music video uploaded on release day. You are underestimating the power of a music video to turn people onto a song, to give further context, to explain intent. Have you never seen a video and then liked the song, where previously you did not or were not sure? Music videos are made for a reason. If they had no impact there would be no reason to release spend the money to create and release them, especially not ON THE DAY of the song's release.

 

I'm not sure on the play listing figures for both songs but I'll take your unspecific word for it. Still, in order for play listing to have mass effect, people need to listen to the playlist. The majority of Spotify users do not, and then there's the entirety of Apple Music (which isn't so far behind Spotify in user base in the US) who surely don't listen to it.

And even if you think videos have no impact anymore, this is still involving Beyoncé, whose GP fanbase is older than the likes of Taylor and SZA. Videos are part of it.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

16 minutes ago, on the line said:

My very on-topic response is my reaction to your very specific qualifiers (aka goal posts). It IS impressive Beyonce is still actively making music when most of her peers have retired or are doing legacy tours, but ya'll are putting way too much emphasis on that to justify her lack of streaming power while on a worldwide "sold out" tour. You don't get much more press and relevancy than she is getting right now. The album just isn't all that. Shrug.

The goalposts were time specific only and relevant to the topic at hand and were hardly too specific.

 

You implied that it was ageist and misogynistic to say that those things might affect Beyoncé. I used those things as a frame of reference to prove that those things do have an impact. And then you told me those things were too specific and granular, mocking it with some long, off-topic writeup about specificity. I asked for ANYONE (non-specific) out streaming Beyoncé from her generation (specific, but on topic). I then offered one possibility, and outlined that he's white and a man. I'm not sure why you decided to misintpret to such a degree, but ignoring the actual topic at hand to go on a rant about specificity or goalposts is indeed off-topic.

 

So either Beyoncé is a successful anomaly or it is incredibly easy and common for people of her pop generation to consistently slay, and slay harder than her these days. Which is it? Because instead of answering the topic you've decided to go on a little tangent about goalposts.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

I'm sorry but what answer are you exactly looking for here? 
 

That the album isn't smashing as hard as it should to be worthy of it's praise and acclaim? Is this what's really bothering you? That despite not being as commercially succesful Beyoncé's work still receives more acclaim and reverence compared to your fave? Success has never been the detrimental factor in quality as far as music goes, and it most definitely isn't in this day and age. 
 

The album is in fact all that, and the pathetic tantrum you and your fellow middle school gang are throwing over spotify streams in here is not gonna change that. 

Is this necessary? It's a thread discussing the underperformance of Renaissance, and I've responded to the ad nauseam excuses centered on how long she's been in the music industry and why that's not relevant when she's one of the most discussed and revered celebrities today. I just find it odd how ya'll have latched onto that mantra. Shrug.

[swissman]

Like either ageism and misogyny isn't real and many older pop girls consistently slay and have great streaming numbers, or it is a reality and it's harder for artists like Britney, Christina, J.Lo, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Ashanti, Ciara, Avril Lavigne, Mariah Carey, etc. etc. to sustain long lasting success in the streaming era.

 

Which one is it?

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by swissman

[Blue Rose]

58 minutes ago, burninredhot said:

Talking about playing the victim when you're the one complaining here like a baby 

I don’t think you understand what that means sweetie 

 

[AllAmericanBitch]

WHY is taylor being brought up here?

 

shouldnt beyonce be compared to people her age like jlo and mariah??

[JawBreaker]

Yeah its really shocking that shes not even among the top 30 best selling artist this year in the US. Even Michael Jackson sold more units than her this year.

Beyonce catalog seems to have poor longevity. If its doing this poorly now imagine in 50 years. 

Eminem is a prime example of an artist with a strong remembered catalog where you can already tell that 50 100 200 years from now he will still be among the top 20 artist every single year. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by JawBreaker

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, swissman said:

The goalposts were time specific only and relevant to the topic at hand and were hardly too specific.

 

You implied that it was ageist and misogynistic to say that those things might affect Beyoncé. I used those things as a frame of reference to prove that those things do have an impact. And then you told me those things were too specific and granular, mocking it with some long, off-topic writeup about specificity. I asked for ANYONE (non-specific) out streaming Beyoncé from her generation (specific, but on topic). I then offered one possibility, and outlined that he's white and a man. I'm not sure why you decided to misintpret to such a degree, but ignoring the actual topic at hand to go on a rant about specificity or goalposts is indeed off-topic.

 

So either Beyoncé is a successful anomaly or it is incredibly easy and common for people of her pop generation to consistently slay, and slay harder than her these days. Which is it? Because instead of answering the topic you've decided to go on a little tangent about goalposts.

 

 

1. I love that you're so invested you took the time to bold those words.

2. You're misinterpreting my ageist and misogynist comment. My point being by reiterating that over and over you're expressing how much you think age matters (whether pos or neg) as a defining characteristic for success. As far as misogyny goes, I never see these comments directed at male artists. Is it because you think males are more inclined to success over women regardless of how long they've been in their careers? 

3. I don't follow Eminem or really anyone in the pop music field outside of the MPGs that are currently active so I can't answer that question as I genuinely have no idea. 

4. Beyonce is successful today largely because of her banding and marketing as an exclusive, cool, and luxury brand. 

5. You still gave goal posts in this response so that's why I am (again) replying to that.