news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

Oh great just because France legalized homosexuality in their own country, that means we can glance over all the atrocities they committed in other countries

No we shouldn't, but if France legalized homosexuality at home, and if they secretly wield all political power in their neocolonial empire, why wouldn't they force their neocolonies to decriminalize homosexuality too, to match the will of the majority of the French population (and the position of the current French government and elite) 

[Blue Rose]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

No we shouldn't, but if France legalized homosexuality at home, and if they secretly wield all political power in their neocolonial empire, why wouldn't they force their neocolonies to decriminalize homosexuality too, to match the will of the majority of the French population (and the position of the current French government and elite) 

I know you’re not insinuating that France cares about Africa  

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, Jynx said:

B-but guys! It's 2023 and we have progressive muslims too!1 This is terrible, conservative muslims are ruining yet another community with their archaic views and are also spreading anti-LGBTQIA+ rhetoric.....but here's an irrelevant picture of a liberal muslim woman with the pride flag, in a city where it's not banned because there's no muslim majority! She was elected by 200,000 people! Who really wants to focus on a muslim majority city banning people from expressing their identity with a pride flag when we can instead focus on this one shining example of a liberal muslim!

 

I'm sorry but this just comes across as that you don't actually care about those people being voted out of power and you're more interested in virtue signaling anti-Muslim resentments. 

 

It's genuinely bordering on illiteracy to not get the relevance of why it's important to remember 200,000 people including the very same Muslim-majority town voted for a progressive Muslim woman to be their rep and that such is more meaningful than 2000 votes across 5 members being cast in a small suburb in a council race no one paid attention to. 

 

It's reactionary politics. It's genuinely illiteracy. "So you're saying it's okay???". No, I'm saying a low stakes council election is not enough of a material impact to jump right to "see what happens when you let the orcs into the West??" and that such conservatives on the council can and will likely be voted out come the next election thanks to a coalition of progressive residents, including young progressive liberal Muslims.

 

And that someone fine with such reactionary politics who doesn't care about alienating and dehumanizing progressive Muslims is directly then someone trying to sabotage a progressive coalition that accepts and needs progressives of all faiths to win. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Communion

[KKW]

Lmao what a shocker 

[Jynx]

Just now, Communion said:

I'm sorry but this just comes across as that you don't actually care about those people being voted out of power and you're more interested in virtue signaling anti-Muslim resentments. 

 

It's genuinely bordering on illiteracy to not get the relevance of why it's important to remember 200,000 people including the very town voted for a progressive Muslim woman to be their rep and that such is more meaningful than 2000 votes across 5 members being cast in a small suburb in a council race no one paid attention to. 

 

It's reactionary politics. It's genuinely illiteracy. "So you're saying it's okay???". No, I'm saying a low stakes council election is not enough of a material impact to jump right to "see what happens when you let the orcs into the West??" and that such conservatives on the council can and will likely be voted out come the next election thanks to a coalition of progressive residents, including young progressive liberal Muslims.

 

And that such reactionary politics that doesn't care about alienating and dehumanizing progressive Muslims is directly then someone trying to sabotage a progressive coalition that accepts and needs progressives of all faiths to win. 

It's not "iLlItErAcY" if no one wants to read your stupid, pointless posts trying to deflect from the actual issue. 
Anways here's to the liberal muslim lady for old times sake!

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Blue Rose said:

It’s very naive to think that Europe still doesn’t have an obscene level of influence in those countries. 
 

My academic background is literally in this field, so I can promise you that my opinions don't come from a place of naïveté, but even still, that control is literally fading in front of our eyes with each coup or coup attempt (Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Gabon, Sudan, Sierra Leone, etc.), all of which have been conducted by Russian backed military officials overthrowing the French-supported government 

[vale9001]

The user Rosa blue apparently doesn't know the difference between laical state and religious state. The user Rosa blu apparently doesn't know how any christian preach how the state should not be laical but the state shiuuld be a religious state.

So the user rosa blue apparently doesn't know every other religion can be homophobic and  every person can express this own belief. But this for how bad can be it's not something putting fondumental rights at risk cause any religion preach to change a State system, expect for muslim religion. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by vale9001

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Jynx said:

trying to deflect from the actual issue. 

You're proving the point. 

 

Is the "actual issue" conservatism or Muslims?

 

Because you dont solve the issue of conservatism by generalizing all Muslims. 

[wastedpotential]

7 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

I know you’re not insinuating that France cares about Africa  

No of course not, I'm pushing back against your claim that France can dictate the specifics of policy (let alone its implementation) in these countries, which they really cannot, even when disregarding the numerous successful coups in the last few years that have gutted their control in the first place. 

[Komet]

1 hour ago, Navy4Life said:

But Christians did bad stuff hundreds of years ago 😢

Kshskssjs the way they tried to actually argue this unironically later in the thread  Like ok and what do you want me to do about it

Edited September 19, 2023 by Komet blu

[Blue Rose]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

My academic background is literally in this field, so I can promise you that my opinions don't come from a place of naïveté, but even still, that control is literally fading in front of our eyes with each coup or coup attempt (Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Gabon, Sudan, Sierra Leone, etc.), all of which have been conducted by Russian backed military officials overthrowing the French-supported government 

My academic and my personal backgrounds are also in this field. Ive studied theology and been to few of these places on top of being an out and proud gay man.

A lot of the coups you speak of are orchestrated by France or Europe. They don’t mind a president sitting in power for decades as long as he’s their toy to manipulate. 
The extreme homophobia in Uganda is financed by Christian groups from the United States. 

[MingYouToo]

Regardless of what Communion and Blue Rose are doing is intellectual discourse or whatever it is they wanna call it theyre still big POS for constantly trying to argue with users who are distraught and angry over these happenings.

 

I hope your mountains of essays and well written punctuations will save you from the lynch pit of the ppl yall are trying so hard to sanitize bc at the end of the day we're all still ******* they hate.

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

You're proving the point. 

 

Is the "actual issue" conservatism or Muslims?

 

Because you dont solve the issue of conservatism by generalizing all Muslims. 

Youre trying to initiate discourse by fragmenting a phenomena that has clear causation as well as correlation.

 

Conservatism and Islam in isolation arent one big circle in a venn diagram but its clear as ******* day to any person with a brain that in terms of how they are enacted physically they are connected in how they operate.

 

You think those muslim  communities and boards that banned the flags have some random Jew or Christian inserted that decided to be conservative independent of his religion? **** no.

 

Islam is the driving force of their conservative, hence, hateful beliefs. Same applies to Christians before yall try it 

 

 

[blackoutbaby]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

ATRL really should just implement a feature that uses your IP address to forcefully show every user's location on their profile cause that Navy4Life dismissing hate crimes in the US overwhelmingly being committed by Christians shows this has nothing to do with protecting queer people and more to do with some of you having deeply rooted trauma you've not yet found a healthy outlet and space to interrogate and come to terms with. 

 

These types of conversations and the upsetting, extreme things they cause people to say out of emotional resentment shouldn't be entertaining.

Girl this take is the craziest thing I’ve ever read on this forum…

 

And this is coming from me, the person who made a thread claiming Jessica Simpson is a legend, so you know it’s crazy.

[Communion]

21 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

They dont need to go to France. They can have that lovely experience in Tennessee, USA

That one user literally trying to use "shut up, Westerner!" to dismiss that rampant reality of hate crimes against queer people by Christians in the US. 

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

Abolish religion now!

[Jynx]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You're proving the point. 

 

Is the "actual issue" conservatism or Muslims?

 

Because you dont solve the issue of conservatism by generalizing all Muslims. 

Yes proving a point with a picture of the liberal muslim with a drag queen! Which has everything to do with the issue of a muslim majority city banning pride flags!

[Navy4Life]

1 minute ago, blackoutbaby said:

Girl this take is the craziest thing I’ve ever read on this forum…

 

And this is coming from me, the person who made a thread claiming Jessica Simpson is a legend, so you know it’s crazy.

I reported it for threatening to dox but I’m not expecting anything to happen. It is disgusting tho. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Navy4Life

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

That one user literally trying to use "shut up, Westerner!" to dismiss that rampant reality of hate crimes against queer people by Christians in the US. 

A young black gay man was just brutally killed at a gas station in New York last month for dancing to Renaissance but atrl users will tell you that this is such a great country for the lgbt community

[Johnny Jacobs]

26 minutes ago, Zoe_ said:

What I'd expect from a religion that claims to gift 100 virgins in the afterlife.

Be accurate sis. It's 72 virgins 

[iiswhoiis_max]

[Aethereal]

10 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

My academic and my personal backgrounds are also in this field. Ive studied theology and been to few of these places on top of being an out and proud gay man.

A lot of the coups you speak of are orchestrated by France or Europe. They don’t mind a president sitting in power for decades as long as he’s their toy to manipulate. 
The extreme homophobia in Uganda is financed by Christian groups from the United States. 

Didn't France stop a civil war in 2010s in Western Africa which would lead to many thousands dead?

 

As for paying taxes it is actually that African countries  under the CFA mark  (not all former French colonies adopted this mark) deposit their money in France's bank, not that they pay 500 billion dollars to France. Just like you deposit your monthly salary into your bank account does not mean you give that sum to the bank. Germany, despite having an enormous economy refuses to pay that sum of money to Poland in form of WW2 reparations, imagine if those African countries did that yearly the chaos that would cause.

 

However I am not aware if France  benefits from this or not.  (they probably do even though it is just a small percentage.)

 

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Aristotle

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Blue Rose said:

My academic and my personal backgrounds are also in this field. Ive studied theology and been to few of these places on top of being an out and proud gay man.

A lot of the coups you speak of are orchestrated by France or Europe. They don’t mind a president sitting in power for decades as long as he’s their toy to manipulate. 
The extreme homophobia in Uganda is financed by Christian groups from the United States. 

Now the coups I'm speaking of are the ones that have been financed by or carried out in conjunction with the Wagner Group against the ruling regimes of any number of countries in the Sahel (+ Gabon). I don't know what coups you're thinking of that have happened this century with the backing of France, but I literally cannot think of a single one. The closest (and maybe what you're thinking of?) is the failed coup in Sierra Leone, where the French backed government successfully stopped the coup attempt, but every successful regime change in the Sahel in the 21st century was either done entirely with local support during the Arab Spring or with the backing of the Russians (or in a couple cases, the push from Iran). I have already granted to you the Uganda example several times in this thread, and the only point I can make there is that it's not even remotely close to a colonial situation in any traditional (or neo-) sense given how far removed it is from the US government and given that the prevailing attitude in these groups is that of proselytization and not a political or financial gain. Thus, the drive in Uganda comes from an extreme religious group in the US without any widespread support or backing, but I'm sure you're familiar with that fact. 

[perfect blue]

4 minutes ago, Jynx said:

Yes proving a point with a picture of the liberal muslim with a drag queen! Which has everything to do with the issue of a muslim majority city banning pride flags!

the tokenism 

[Daddy]

18 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

My academic background is literally in this field, so I can promise you that my opinions don't come from a place of naïveté, but even still, that control is literally fading in front of our eyes with each coup or coup attempt (Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Gabon, Sudan, Sierra Leone, etc.), all of which have been conducted by Russian backed military officials overthrowing the French-supported government 

You said EDUCATION!

 

[vale9001]

You all are trying to discuss with people would say "this unrespectful *****" to a white woman not wearing some panjaba to cover her hair in a muslim church in a muslism country. The would even defend the right of local people to ban them or insult them. Cause you have to respect a culture. 

And at the same time of course you're crazy if you say you think in your country it's 2023 so a student don't touching her teacher hand (cause she is a woman) is something we shouldn't accept. 

Apparently they don't need to respect a culture, its beliefes and its laws too.

 

Their mental short circuit it's so embarassing it's even boring to argue with honestly, 

Edited September 19, 2023 by vale9001