news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

[ProudLBS]

3 minutes ago, Navy4Life said:

So Europeans are good or bad?  

I also read it that way 

[kataraqueen]

5 minutes ago, Navy4Life said:

So Europeans are good or bad?  

it's not a black and white scenario  I'm just naming the issues and their causes. I'm not really on either's side here. Well, I'm on the side of not murdering each other and allowing everyone to prosper lmao

Edited September 19, 2023 by kataraqueen

[Navy4Life]

Just now, ProudLBS said:

I also read it that way 

I swear the spiraling

[wastedpotential]

7 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

But you guys are infantilizing billions of people because of the actions of one group in Michigan

going by your own post, it’s clear that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims, which is the same for every religion.

No, we're using the actions of the group in Michigan as a point of reference for the actions of many muslims worldwide. There are good muslims and bad muslims, but go around and find out how many of each there are, cause I don't think you'd like the results 

[Shelter]

It will probably become a thing in other states/countries. 
 

I had to go back pages to see who was asking for IP’s, thought it was gonna be @Blue Rose tbh 
 

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

In sub-Saharan Africa, sure much of the individual homophobia in modern times can be derived from the pentecostalist missionaries, however this thread is about Hamtramck, a city largely settled by Yemeni, Syrian, Bengali, and Pakistani immigrants, who derive their homophobic attitudes from their chosen interpretations of the Quran, which far pre-dates any European colonialism or Christian missionaries (unless one wants to count the Crusades as missionaries, which I think is pretty disengenouous. Additionally, with the exception of Uganda, every single country in Africa with a life sentence or death penalty for homosexuality derives their law from their Islamic heritage. Even many of the countries in sub-Saharan Africa with strict imprisonment laws (Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Burundi) are currently considering repealing their sodomy laws (or already have, like Rwanda and Botswana)

Im not denying that Muslims aren’t homophobic. What you don’t know is even if those countries have a majority of Muslims, the laws are still dictated by France or England. This applies to every former colony. So yeah a place like s

Senegal has a 90% muslim population but the constitution was basically written by France.

[MingYouToo]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

So we have to equate the conservative Christian hatred of gay people, which *for the most part* consists of social shaming and ostracization (and *for the most part* occurs in countries with strong hate crime protections for gay people) with the conservative Islamic hatred of gay people, which consists of extreme prison sentences or summary executions. And we have to equate the two, because it's not fair to Islam because it's 5 centuries behind the developments of Christianity. Right... Is it not fair to the gay people being killed that we stand up for them now? What about the periods of early Islam (circa 750-1250AD) where Islam was much more intellectual, developed, and progressive than the Christianity of the time? If Islam is on a strict timeline that will equate it to Christianity today in about 5 centuries, what about the times in the past when the roles have been reversed? 

get her for me one more time folklore stan!

[Navy4Life]

Just now, kataraqueen said:

it's not a black and white scenario 

You’re presenting as very black and white when it fits your narrative. 

[Bicassie]

this is WILD, didn't know that islam was growing that fast in America

usually it's majority christian places that ban these things in the US

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Bicassie

[wastedpotential]

7 minutes ago, kataraqueen said:

South Africa was ran by WHITE people south african is literally just dutch remixed

Except the apartheid regime was pretty homophobic in its own right, and the legalization of same sex marriage came in the wake of truth and reconciliation 

[Aethereal]

8 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

or you can just go educate yourself . let’s start here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#:~:text=Neocolonialism takes the form of,indirect political control (hegemony).

 France legalized homosexuality in 18th century, before the colonization even started. And none of the European superpowers during the time of colonization had the capital punishment for the practice of homosexuality.

 

Iran is one of the most viscously anti-Western country and one of the worst countries to be gay, no way is any Western country intervening with their laws.

 

And colonization did not start or end with the Western powers. People have been colonizing each since the beginning of time including Muslim empires like the Ottoman Empire. 

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

No, we're using the actions of the group in Michigan as a point of reference for the actions of many muslims worldwide. There are good muslims and bad muslims, but go around and find out how many of each there are, cause I don't think you'd like the results 

and how would you know that? You are in for a shock because a lot of the Christians who say they are cool with the community are still extremely homophobic and they continue to vote for homophobic people even if it goes against their own interests and values. 

[OmegaRidley]

I wish that those white american twinks defending Islam in this thread would come to places like France where muslims would spit and beat the hell out of them so they get some sense knocked inside their non-existent brains. 

 

I was literally bullied by muslims in highschool (being one myself at the time), they would tag the french equivalent of the *** on my parents’ house fences, share my number online so other gays could hit me up (i was still in the closet and my parents are highly homophobic). 
 

Or just take a look on tiktok or instagram where they literally celebrate us getting killed and justify islamic countries’ policies….

 

there’s is no way around it, if you are queer and defend Islam, you’re mentally ill and need to seek help immediatly because this is unhinged behavior…

 

 

[Zoe_]

What I'd expect from a religion that claims to gift 100 virgins in the afterlife.

[Blue Rose]

3 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

 France legalized homosexuality in 18th century, before the colonization even started. And none of the European superpowers during the time of colonization had the capital punishment for the practice of homosexuality.

 

Iran is one of the most viscously anti-Western country and one of the worst countries to be gay, no way is any Western country intervening with their laws.

 

And colonization did not start or end with the Western powers. People have been colonizing each since the beginning of time including Muslim empires like the Ottoman Empire. 

Oh great just because France legalized homosexuality in their own country, that means we can glance over all the atrocities they committed in other countries

[vale9001]

This happens when the progressive narrative is on the hands of people calling the bras "a symbol of male oppression of women" and at the same calling burkas woman choices. 

 

The short circuit in their logic is evident for everyone with more than 2 cells brain .

[Blue Rose]

Just now, OmegaRidley said:

I wish that those white american twinks defending Islam in this thread would come to places like France where muslims would spit and beat the hell out of them so they get some sense knocked inside their non-existent brains. 

They dont need to go to France. They can have that lovely experience in Tennessee, USA

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Blue Rose said:

Im not denying that Muslims aren’t homophobic. What you don’t know is even if those countries have a majority of Muslims, the laws are still dictated by France or England. This applies to every former colony. So yeah a place like s

Senegal has a 90% muslim population but the constitution was basically written by France.

No, the laws are not dictated by France or England. England has very limited skin in the neocolonialism game, and the French way of neocolonialism gives them very limited control over the minutiae of the laws in that country. France did write the Senegalese constitution in 1959, but the re-writes in 1960, 1963, and 2001 have largely been self-managed, and during which the restrictions on homosexuality have gotten worse, not to mention that in the time since France has de-criminalized homosexuality (again) and made gay marriage legal 

 

You can't just assign the blame to neocolonialism, absolve the modern population of any responsibility, and then wash your hands of it, because then it will never change. Neocolonialism isn't going away if France has anything to say about it (though what's happening in Niger and Gabon might be a big shift to... Russian neocolonialism), so the next best thing for gay people around the world to want is for these countries to be able to move past the colonial background and come to legalize homosexuality in its own right. 

[ProudLBS]

Just now, Navy4Life said:

I swear the spiraling

African countries kill gays => “that’s because Europe colonized them!”

 

South Africa legalizes gay marriage before most of Europe => “that’s because Europe colonized them!”

 

[Trent W]

17 minutes ago, kataraqueen said:

Y'all are literally falling for a propaganda machine. I'm not saying we should get hatecrimed, the opposite actually. But just know our enemy is not an entire religion and if you want to actually fix anything, you should look at more specific things 

Is not propaganda, it’s just reality, most muslims around the world hate lgbtq people, and gays are killed legally in some of their countries for existing 

 

There is obviously some few exceptions of tolerant muslims but they are like 0.00001% 

 

The reality is that muslims(in general) and gays can’t play for the same team because they stand for different values

 

It’s the sad truth.

 

 

[terrorblade]

well

[vale9001]

16 minutes ago, Nido said:

I mean, I understand why some people are triggered by the attack on their faith cause it might comes off as generalization but it's not exactly uncalled for because their own religion has also been the reason for plenty of discriminations, beheadings, burnings and death penalties that are happening in modern day society.. You don't just bring up "progressive Muslims" as a talking point without mentioning that these people are MINORITIES among their own people, which doesn't reflects the popular ideology of Islam itself. 

 

With the term "minority" you're too generous.

[Blue Rose]

7 minutes ago, Shelter said:

It will probably become a thing in other states/countries. 
 

I had to go back pages to see who was asking for IP’s, thought it was gonna be @Blue Rose tbh 
 

I don’t need to ask. I can just hack these heaux  

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

and how would you know that? You are in for a shock because a lot of the Christians who say they are cool with the community are still extremely homophobic and they continue to vote for homophobic people even if it goes against their own interests and values. 

Girl I'm looking at polling data right now that shows 89% of Americans under the age of 35 being supporting of LGBTQ+ rights. I'm sure some of them are harboring homophobic views, but they're so deep that they're choosing to lie to anonymous pollsters, and they can't be all that many, and the same holds true across the rest of western Europe. If cultural norms don't shift (which they might due to massive immigration), these closeted homophobic people will never come out because their attitudes will never be acceptable, and they know that to the point that they are lying during polling 

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

No, the laws are not dictated by France or England. England has very limited skin in the neocolonialism game, and the French way of neocolonialism gives them very limited control over the minutiae of the laws in that country. France did write the Senegalese constitution in 1959, but the re-writes in 1960, 1963, and 2001 have largely been self-managed, and during which the restrictions on homosexuality have gotten worse, not to mention that in the time since France has de-criminalized homosexuality (again) and made gay marriage legal 

 

You can't just assign the blame to neocolonialism, absolve the modern population of any responsibility, and then wash your hands of it, because then it will never change. Neocolonialism isn't going away if France has anything to say about it (though what's happening in Niger and Gabon might be a big shift to... Russian neocolonialism), so the next best thing for gay people around the world to want is for these countries to be able to move past the colonial background and come to legalize homosexuality in its own right. 

It’s very naive to think that Europe still doesn’t have an obscene level of influence in those countries.