news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

[YellowRibbon]

That's why sexual minorites should never support the fights of religious minorites. Let's not be stupid from now on.

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Blue Rose said:

You’re just proving what I just said “you guys have selective memory”  

Why should we argue about historic wrongdoings when every single country in Western Europe and North America has socially progressed beyond homophobia. There is little room for conversation on the history of things when, in the here and now, it is punishable by death to be gay in Saudi Arabia or Mauretania or wherever, while it is tolerated and celebrated to be gay in other places. Sure, there are isolated incidents, but the vast majority (at least 70% or higher) of the non-immigrant populations in Western Europe and North America are strongly in support for homosexuality and gay marriage. For every shop owner killed by a radical Christian in California, I can find at least 5 cases of immigrants in Sweden or Belgium or Germany committing a hate crime against gay people, please be serious 

[Blue Rose]

if you want a more accurate comparison, let’s look at each religion age:

- Islam: 1445 years

- Christianity: 2023 years. Go back and compare what the Church was doing to gays, kids and women back in the 15th century

[Johnny Jacobs]

Not that user wants the ATRLers ip addresses  what a creep! A literal threat! 

 

Every other user would've been permabanned but it's nice to have mods as youe friends to have your back!!! 

 

Disgusting!!! 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Johnny Jacobs

[VeniceBeach]

1 minute ago, Blue Rose said:

if you want a more accurate comparison, let’s look at each religion age:

- Islam: 1445 years

- Christianity: 2023 years. Go back and compare what the Church was doing to gays, kids and women back in the 15th century

That one article from Page Six in 2009

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, kataraqueen said:

Acting as if you having this thought isn't a direct result of your previlidged upbringing is  Not everyone got to go to elementary school and then secondary school without the fear of being shot (well... maybe Americans don't either LOL but that's definitely a discussion for another day). My point is that these countries were left in shambles by their occupiers so to blame a whole religion is basically exactly what your government wants you to do because it takes away their blame, which is the main cause of this 

 

Europe REMAINED in power there and kicked the natives out like open a history book PLS They allowed the mafia from those other countries to take over so they could have oil from there 

yeah, I get you. My country went through some sh*t. Our people were enslaved, murdered, discriminated against, and segregated, and we are still facing the consequences of colonialism. We're still not preaching for gay people to die. Our legislation is separate from religion here, thank god. 

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, PoisonPill said:

Most people are capable of holding two thoughts at the same time. Being disturbed by the rise of Islamic anti-queerness in the West is not an endorsement of all other religions that have homophobic legacies.

Yes i agree with this. Both religions are trash but i will not stand Christians acting all high and mighty when they are much worse. The majority of Christians are still homophobic. Most just hide it well.

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

if you want a more accurate comparison, let’s look at each religion age:

- Islam: 1445 years

- Christianity: 2023 years. Go back and compare what the Church was doing to gays, kids and women back in the 15th century

Well, thank god we don't like in the 15th century anymore

[ProudLBS]

2 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

Speaking of IP addresses, I just know someone will have "Moscow, Russia" under their profile, they love communism, racebenders, and whataboutism over there

More like the basement of a Chinese diplomatic mission somewhere in New Jersey.

 

He has even defended the ongoing Uyghur genocide.

[Witnessed ET]

1 hour ago, PoisonPill said:

I think it's important to draw a distinction between Islamic doctrine and average Muslim people. Not all Muslims in the US are anti-gay - and younger people even are supportive by a slight majority. But traditional Islamic ideology is not compatible with LGBT existence and freedom in the Western world.

Why so many dislikes on this? It’s true lol.

there should be a distinction between the Islamic doctrine and average Muslim people in the US. Yeah some are homophobic by default just because they’ve “been told by the text or some random cleric in a mosque” and are highly ignorant of the lgbt state of being, but not all are like that, especially the younger generation. If we generalize the whole Muslim population as such, then what about the Muslim LGBT people? 

[igninton]

Just now, kataraqueen said:

Europe REMAINED in power there and kicked the natives out like open a history book PLS They allowed the mafia from those other countries to take over so they could have oil from there 

Just to check... you do know that "latinos" are literally an ethnicity born from biracial white European and native peoples mixing right? If you don't then Google is your friend.

 

I'm obviously talking about South America here, what the British did in North America and how they wiped out almost every native off the face of the Earth is - of course- a different story...  

[K$Ellie]

disgusting religion but wbk

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, Blue Rose said:

Yes i agree with this. Both religions are trash but i will not stand Christians acting all high and mighty when they are much worse. The majority of Christians are still homophobic. Most just hide it well.

Other religions should hide well too, you know. 

[hallucinate]

certain users constantly bringing christianity/christians up as if they aren’t being dragged as well  it’s even more common and normalized

 

like we can criticize both babes 

Edited September 19, 2023 by hallucinate

[Redstreak]

6 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

Using history of American/European government intervention in sociopolitics to justify why a certain sect of people behave a certain way does not change the fact that right now, in this moment, there is a rising influx of hate crimes directed towards the gay community by muslims. 

 

The fact that the users here who come from Muslim countries are the ones actually agreeing and the privileged freedom of speech gays here are the ones breaking their backs defending this behavior, since yall love to be technical let me ask y'all this @Communion @Blue Rose @Redstreak, in YOUR (keyword: YOUR) ideal forum, HOW should WE, queer people, REACT and FEEL to these statements? 

 

Don't give us the 'well i cant decide for everyone' no, since yall love breaking backs to rationalize why our anger is wrong, borderline bigoted and misinformed, HOW should we react, WHAT should be our posts and replies, HOW should we think and process this? Give us an idea please so we can try to see it from y'alls perspectives, since yall are so well-informed with geopolitics and political history 

I think you should be consistent with your vitriol towards all religions and not just certain ones from war ravaged nations who are often scapegoated for their oil

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, Talento said:

Not the demandig of users' IP addresses  

 

Y' all won't stop at nothing to defend the indefensible?

No one's defending anything. 

 

These threads always end in conflict because one group expresses they hate conservative Muslim becausen they're Muslims and all Muslims are apparently inherently conservative and the others hate conservative Muslims buy because they're conservative individuals.

 

And thus it goes into circles of one group yelling "you're defending an ideology that wants you dead" at people who think any and all religions can be amended and reformed and that it's not productive to erase distinctions between progressive Muslims and conservative Muslims. 

 

Where has any progressive or leftist gone - "wait, that conservative Muslim is a minority so I HAVE to side with them when they are anti-abortion or anti-gay".?

 

There's no defending conservative views. There's disagreement on if it's okay to conflate all Muslims as right-wing. Obviously if someone lives in a conservative country where Islam is used to justify that reality, they're gonna reasonsbly find Islam oppressive. That's 100% valid. But that dynamic isn't then productive to places where conservative Islamic voices aren't meaningfully influential and where actually progressive Muslims are leaders and politicians and voices of influence. 

 

Two of the most progressive politicians in America are Muslim women. Why would any American leftist then buy into the idea of disparaging and dehumanizing those progressive Muslims (by virtue of generalizing all Muslims) just because conservative Muslims exist and are bigoted idiots?

Edited September 19, 2023 by Communion

[Blue Rose]

4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Why should we argue about historic wrongdoings when every single country in Western Europe and North America has socially progressed beyond homophobia. There is little room for conversation on the history of things when, in the here and now, it is punishable by death to be gay in Saudi Arabia or Mauretania or wherever, while it is tolerated and celebrated to be gay in other places. Sure, there are isolated incidents, but the vast majority (at least 70% or higher) of the non-immigrant populations in Western Europe and North America are strongly in support for homosexuality and gay marriage. For every shop owner killed by a radical Christian in California, I can find at least 5 cases of immigrants in Sweden or Belgium or Germany committing a hate crime against gay people, please be serious 

Where do you think the homophobia in Africa comes from? From white people who descended on the continent with their Christian agenda and to this day they are still sending people on missionary trips  

[kataraqueen]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

yeah, I get you. My country went through some sh*t. Our people were enslaved, murdered, discriminated against, and segregated, and we are still facing the consequences of colonialism. We're still not preaching for gay people to die. Our legislation is separate from religion here, thank god. 

all extremism is bad so it's sad that these countries are ruled by "religion" (in reality just their governments trying to suppress their own people). rich islamic women just take off their headscarves as soon as they enter an airplane, but they're still muslim.
 

It's not necessarily about the religion but who's actually in power. Subsequently, the people in western countries that act the way they do are "lead by their religion", but a big part of that is a lacking upbringing through poverty and systematic segregation

[Blue Rose]

4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Well, thank god we don't like in the 15th century anymore

you are so close to getting it  

[Aethereal]

10 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

Even if those countries are technically independent, Europe still controls everything down to the laws and continues to steal their resources. There’s a term for it. It’s called neo-colonialism 

Stop pulling things out of your ass.

[wastedpotential]

6 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

Even if those countries are technically independent, Europe still controls everything down to the laws and continues to steal their resources. There’s a term for it. It’s called neo-colonialism 

Okay sis now I can tell you have no idea what you're talking about. Neocolonialism is certainly a concept that exists in some parts of the Islamic world (primarily in the French colonies of west and central Africa), but the control is managed entirely through financial means. The French government has a pretty strong finger in the management of the WAF and CAF, and French companies do own large swathes of the resourced land and enterprises in those countries, but they don't have any bearing on the policies of the countries besides picking the leadership. I find the practice abhorrent, but France is (in literally every case) picking between a homophobe who supports them (for personal financial reasons) or a homophobe who does not, so there's not much room for wiggle room over their puppet's stance on homophobia. France (as a country that legalized same sex marriage a decade ago) has literally no reason or interest in dictating to these countries how to set specific social policies, and if it did, the social pressure in France would be strong enough to try and exert a change the other way, not to mention the fact that many of these countries (Niger and Gabon in the last few months) have literally undergone military coups to remove the French-backed leadership to replace them with someone who is more supported by the military (and Russia), but is still equally as homophobic 

 

[ohwow]

i mean... religious fundamentalism always seems to fight to destroy or constrict the true beauty, fluidity, and complexity of humanity... news at 11

is it just me or all the religions that devolve into anti-queerness usually male-centered?

 

hmm must be coincidence...

 

where's the woman-centered religion that results in anti-queerness? where's women-centered religion at all?

 

it's always 'father' this or that

 

**** a father

 

god is a WOMAN

 

yes

 

...

 

anyways this was a performance piece, thank u

[MingYouToo]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I think you should be consistent with your vitriol towards all religions and not just certain ones from war ravaged nations who are often scapegoated for their oil

But we are? My disdain for Islam does not negate my dislike for Christianity, your implying an imposed characterization of US the users here based off of YOUR assumptions. I dislike Christianity just as much as Islam but in this very moment are my people being systemically disparaged by Christians? No. Its the Muslims doing that to my people, of course in a thread ABOUT Muslim-majority cities, Muslim the religion will be what is talked about. 

 

Disdain for one does not imply support for the other like-? Isn't that obvious?

 

Your arguing about a circle in a conversation about squares please lmao 

Edited September 19, 2023 by MingYouToo

[PoisonPill]

16 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

if you want a more accurate comparison, let’s look at each religion age:

- Islam: 1445 years

- Christianity: 2023 years. Go back and compare what the Church was doing to gays, kids and women back in the 15th century

I'm confused what point this was supposed to make. None of us are living in the 15th century, we are all discussing our lived experience on this planet today. Are you saying that Islam should be allowed 600 more years to come around to not opposing the existence of queer people?

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by PoisonPill

[Pheromosa]

How much proof do y’all need?

good grief