news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

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[Navy4Life]

4 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Yes America has only had this one anti gay thing happen and definitely not a current culture of us getting attacked and being called groomers and having bomb threats called into children’s hospitals that do trans health care

Oh ok let me inform the queer people in Afghanistan, whole of Middle East, North Africa, Brunei, Malasya etc. that the queer people in the US have it just as bad. 
 

Clown. 

[PoisonPill]

Just now, Redstreak said:

Yes ATRL is constantly fearmongering about white Muslims. If you think I’m inventing an extreme misrepresentation then actually say what you mean instead of dancing around it to avoid warning points and looking like frothing right winger

You can look at my first post in this thread to see my position.

 

47 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

I think it's important to draw a distinction between Islamic doctrine and average Muslim people. Not all Muslims in the US are anti-gay - and younger people even are supportive by a slight majority. But traditional Islamic ideology is not compatible with LGBT existence and freedom in the Western world.

 

[#Beautiful]

1 minute ago, lacy said:

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[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Navy4Life said:

Girl I live in a Muslim country. Shut the **** up. 

But you're then highly invested in the ongoings of a small mining town in Michigan, USA? 

 

You can't extrapolate the power dynamics of where you live (and your valid feelings towards them) elsewhere and walk around promoting paranoia. 

 

There's a difference between being hateful and being concerned. If I was concerned about conservatives of any religion gaining power, I'd be happy to know that progressive Muslims hold more power in Michigan than conservative Muslims. Progressive Muslims winning against conservative Muslims sounds like great news. But you apparently don't think it's good news that the most powerful Muslim woman in Michigan is a pro-LGBT liberal based on your downvoting of said news?

 

How do you convince conservative Muslims to become progressive Muslims if you don't also like progressive Muslims?

[TheFireLexus]

It appears they didn't ban pride flags specifically but all flags except those of the country and state. Interesting. This would mean that religious flags/imagery are also banned - which is exactly what many are calling for in this thread, no?

 

Have to say, it's hilarious seeing people say they feel "betrayed" by this. What version of Islam did they think they were defending before? They assumed Muslims would all of a sudden embrace gay rights because a bunch of dumb "progressives" decided to make "Islamophobia" their cause? 

[Navy4Life]

2 minutes ago, LustSpell said:

Please just ignore THAT one when he comes around trying to defend this. It's inexcusable.

 

These people cannot discriminate against us from somewhere that got that way because of their actions. You flee your country, you adhere to the new country's rules and laws. **** off.

Literally this. I live in a Middle Eastern country and follow the rules of it even tho those rules ******* suck. But why should we expect the same. 

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

You can look at my first post in this thread to see my position.

 

 

And yet you’re arguing with me when I have the same position. You’re own post got several downvotes

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Navy4Life said:

Oh ok let me inform the queer people in Afghanistan, whole of Middle East, North Africa, Brunei, Malasya etc. that the queer people in the US have it just as bad. 
 

Clown. 

A gay man was just stabbed to death for voguing by a Christian extremist at a gas station in New York. Minimizing that through unfounded comparisons is gross and shows your concerns are not rooted in protecting queer Americans. 

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

But you're then highly invested in the ongoings of a small mining town in Michigan, USA? 

 

You can't extrapolate the power dynamics of where you live (and your valid feelings towards them) elsewhere and walk around promoting paranoia. 

 

There's a difference between being hateful and being concerned. If I was concerned about conservatives of any religion gaining power, I'd be happy to know that progressive Muslims hold more power in Michigan than conservative Muslims. Progressive Muslims winning against conservative Muslims sounds like great news. But you apparently don't think it's good news that the most powerful Muslim woman in Michigan is a pro-LGBT liberal based on your downvoting of said news?

 

How do you convince conservative Muslims to become progressive Muslims if you don't also like progressive Muslims?

IT HAS STARTED!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS! 

Cannot wait to see how this unfolds. 

[playwithme]

Islam is the biggest and most dominant religion in the world. Meanwhile, gay people are facing hate crimes even in some of the most liberal countries. I will never understand the gays who are breaking their heels to defend that absolutely vile religion that wants them dead. The rise of Islam in the UK is really concerning. Muslims now account for a third of Birmingham, and they are extremely homophobic. 

[Taylena]

The fact that there's several majority Christian countries that are very progressive and have laws protecting queer people, but in contrast you can't find a single majority Muslim country that doesn't systematically put queer people in danger, and yet you've people here trying to tell you these religions are all the same. 

[PoisonPill]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

But you're then highly invested in the ongoings of a small mining town in Michigan, USA? 

 

You can't extrapolate the power dynamics of where you live (and your valid feelings towards them) elsewhere and walk around promoting paranoia. 

 

There's a difference between being hateful and being concerned. If I was concerned about conservatives of any religion gaining power, I'd be happy to know that progressive Muslims hold more power in Michigan than conservative Muslims. Progressive Muslims winning against conservative Muslims sounds like great news. But you apparently don't think it's good news that the most powerful Muslim woman in Michigan is a pro-LGBT liberal based on your downvoting of said news?

 

How do you convince conservative Muslims to become progressive Muslims if you don't also like progressive Muslims?

In all sincerity, I appreciate you expressing your opinion in this thread in a measured way without strawmans and juvenile sarcasm. Debates on here should always be this way.

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

IT HAS STARTED!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS! 

Cannot wait to see how this unfolds. 

ATRL really should just implement a feature that uses your IP address to forcefully show every user's location on their profile cause that Navy4Life dismissing hate crimes in the US overwhelmingly being committed by Christians shows this has nothing to do with protecting queer people and more to do with some of you having deeply rooted trauma you've not yet found a healthy outlet and space to interrogate and come to terms with. 

 

These types of conversations and the upsetting, extreme things they cause people to say out of emotional resentment shouldn't be entertaining.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Communion

[Badgalbriel]

And the gaslighting has STARTED! 

[#Beautiful]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

IT HAS STARTED!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS! 

Cannot wait to see how this unfolds. 

and chopping up peoples replies for convenience you cant make this stuff up

 

banning the lgbt flag in a city in the us is plain crazy

[Navy4Life]

3 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

IT HAS STARTED!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS! 

Cannot wait to see how this unfolds. 

As if I’m gonna engage with it. They can self hate in peace. 

[Talento]

5 minutes ago, TheFireLexus said:

It appears they didn't ban pride flags specifically but all flags except those of the country and state.

That was just the excuse he found to ban pride flags. The mayor is clearly homophobic.

 

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Anyone who thought the controversy might soon go away was mistaken. The tension surfaced again in early September when the mayor and council balked at marching next to the Hamtramck Queer Alliance in the Labor Day parade.

 

“Basically, they wanted to destroy our image in front of our supporters by making us look like we were leading the queer group with all those flags flying behind us,” Ghalib said in a statement afterward. He’d managed to arrange a ride in a white SUV at the front of the parade, several spots removed from his concern.

 

The Labor Day Festival committee also issued a statement last week, saying the event was organized to celebrate “the diversity that makes Hamtramck unique. We are saddened to hear that Mayor Ghalib has expressed a complaint about being in the parade in proximity to a rainbow flag or a display of LGBTQ+ pride.”

 

As for Hansknecht, who walked in the parade holding the alliance’s bright yellow banner — “two square miles, for all of us,” it proclaimed — the incident only reinforced what he’d believed from the start.

 

The flag ban, he said, “has always been about being anti-queer rather than the neutrality they claimed.”

 

[ProudLBS]

anyone with a bit of knowledge about Islam and its history could see this coming from an ocean away
 

[wastedpotential]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

But you're then highly invested in the ongoings of a small mining town in Michigan, USA? 

 

Now girl I don't have the time to dig into the substance of your arguments but Hamtramck is literally an inner ring Detroit suburb of 28000 people lets not get the narrative twisted 

[HeavyMetalAura]

57 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Well...... This time I'm not gonna say anything otherwise ******* will tell me I'm spewing far-right bs

 

Didn’t you accuse me of being a Republican because I said that a celebrity being on hard illegal drugs puts them in a bad light with the public?  And now you’re complaining that people will accuse you of spewing far-right bs when you aren’t…. Interesting

[kataraqueen]

1 minute ago, Taylena said:

The fact that there's several majority Christian countries that are very progressive and have laws protecting queer people, but in contrast you can't find a single majority Muslim country that doesn't systematically put queer people in danger, and yet you've people here trying to tell you these religions are all the same. 

The one majority muslim country that was progressive for its time, Bosnia & Hercegovina, was slaughtered for its religion while the west watched and did nothing 
 

All of those muslim countries you're speaking of were influenced by European countries to become what they are today, and the Islam that's currently present there formed because they were repressed through those European laws. They formed extremist groups, and the European countries allowed them to take over. 

 

You CANNOT make these statements because there's so much more going on than just the religion. Saying "I think they should adhere to our countries' standard which is freedom of speech" is more than enough if you don't feel like taking other important details into account 

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, HeavyMetalAura said:

Didn’t you accuse me of being a Republican because I said that a celebrity being on hard illegal drugs puts them in a bad light with the public?  And now you’re complaining that people will accuse you of spewing far-right bs when you aren’t…. Interesting

I don't know you, sorry

[Nido]

Well if all religions are bad then what's wrong with disapproving a specific one that's related to the current topic discussion? Wouldn't it be off-topic to talk about something else? It's not like we're saying one thing is worse than the other

 

[Talento]

Not the demandig of users' IP addresses  

 

Y' all won't stop at nothing to defend the indefensible?