news US's first Muslim-majority city bans pride flag

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I am shocked! 

[Talento]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Have you ever met a Christian?  They have such a victim complex and constantly think they are oppressed. And people agree with them. 

Of course, but no one except other Christians would take them seriously, and you wouldn't be put in jail or pay a fine for protesting them.

[perfect blue]

39 minutes ago, Subomie said:

It's a problem, I agree. But I'm not seeing what you mean about it being tied to Islam specifically? Christian city councils and school boards do the same thing with banning pride flags being flown and other introducing other bogus laws to drown out queer dissent. I'm not trying to be contrarian or go into whataboutism just to be different here, I think they're both vile and should be shut down entirely - I'm no fan of Islam, for the record.

 

I just don't see what the difference between this and the other cases I mentioned is? Legitimately! I want to be educated here if I'm off-base. To me, they're equivalent in every way: religious right nutjobs getting into power and using it to discriminate against queer people. All I'm saying is that it's indicative of America's extremist conservatism movement, and not exclusive to Muslims as you said. That's all.

This kind of extremist conservatism is prevalent in Muslim and Christian communities alike, most people in this thread aren't saying it's a ONLY a Muslim issue. Just that it IS an issue in Muslim communities and needs to be recognized and dealt with. However whenever this is pointed out it's countered with:

 

1. deflection (what about Christianity?)

2. excuses (b-but colonialism!)

3. reverse All Lives Matter rhetoric (this is a conservatism and religious issue! - which is true, but it's also an issue afflicting Muslim communities)

 

There's an ongoing war between Christian fundamentalists and queer people for over half a century. NO ONE is shy about calling Christians out for their hypocrisy and hate.

[YR.]

Pathetic

[mystery]

Reading this thread feels like this:
 

[dumbsparce]

3 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

if you want a more accurate comparison, let’s look at each religion age:

- Islam: 1445 years

- Christianity: 2023 years. Go back and compare what the Church was doing to gays, kids and women back in the 15th century

[Blue Rose]

2 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Didn't France stop a civil war in 2010s in Western Africa which would lead to many thousands dead?

 

As for paying taxes it is actually that African countries  under the CFA mark  (not all former French colonies adopted this mark) deposit their money in France's bank, not that they pay 500 billion dollars to France. Just like you deposit your monthly salary into your bank account does not mean you give that sum to the bank. Germany, despite having an enormous economy refuses to pay that sum of money to Poland in form of WW2 reparations, imagine if those African countries did that yearly the chaos that would cause.

 

However I am not aware if France  benefits from this or not.  (they probably do even though it is just a small percentage.)

 

 

You talking as if those colonies had any say where their money was going. On top of all the predatory trade deals France, UK, China, The US and other countries have forced on Africans.

im just in disbelief that there are people defending the global powerhouses. Just because you might live in one doesn’t mean they aren’t the absolute evilest countries in the world, and they continue to use homophobia as a weapon both in developed and emerging countries. 
One group of Muslims doing something bad doesn’t give anyone the permission to be islamophobic. There’s just no room to be judgmental 

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PS: why am i getting a ton of downvotes and reports all from one group of people, y’all can guess which one 

[A.R.L]

The fact that this would never happen even in Molenbeek hahaha... the poor Americans who were swearing the sharia will rule Europe.

 

I’m so grateful for living in Spain, girls, this vote of the medieval era does not have the slightest chance of existing and just thinking about it would send you to jail.

Edited September 19, 2023 by A.R.L

[GentleDance]

As an ex-muslim born, raised and living in muslim country, this is isn't surprising... Islam is "valid and applicable to all times and places", that's a core principle so I don't see any positive changes happening in the near future.

[Blue Rose]

2 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Christians have indeed committed atrocities in the past, but it's not as if there is a significant chasm between Christian and Islamic transgressions. Consider, for instance, the Arab slave trade, which enslaved far more people and persisted much longer than the Atlantic slave trade. Additionally, when we examine the current conditions in the most advanced and prosperous Islamic nations, we still find archaic laws in place, particularly concerning women and LGBTQ+ folk. Culturally, one religion is consistently pardoned, time and time again, for propagating homophobia, sexism, and misogyny, while the other is essentially fair game when it comes to blasphemy (which I'm cool with, but I just want you to see the social imbalance here).  We need to be rid of these religions at their most conservative and literal sense; Christianity has made significant strides in this regard; most Christians in America, the UK, and in a lot of parts of Europe are progressive or, at the very least, content with keeping their conservative values within their own circles. In contrast, Islam and many Muslims fail in adopting progressive values and distancing themselves from the violent aspects of their faith because one of the fundamental tenets of Islam is strict adherence to its teachings. Because of how that religion is set up, It is inherently more challenging for the Islamic world and Muslims in general to reconcile the modern understanding of human rights with their ancient religion.

I actually agree that both are trash. Im just against the Christians who think they are superior and will use any chance they get to pounce on Muslims while ignoring their own atrocities. 

[Blue Rose]

21 minutes ago, Subomie said:

No, no, I agree with you on that. I get what you're saying - this is vile, the city council is vile, and trying to smokescreen criticism and dissent as "calling us terrorists" is clear dishonesty and gaslighting. We agree on that part, totally.

 

It's not islamophobic to call these people out as bigots, as nutjobs, as hateful traitors - they are! And we should call them that.

 

I just think that this thread is very quick to snowball beyond legitimate criticism and into outright hateful rhetoric against the wrong people. That's why I don't like framing this as just a Muslim issue. Because people on here very quickly generalize entire communities on that front. And it's not cool.

 

[Keter]

You gotta have some of these girls under “you have chosen to ignore this idiot’s posts” 

[Queen.]

4 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

They are not the same because Christians have done much much much worse and they continue to do so, but yall have selective memory 

What Christians have done much much worse?? Because the ones that I have met are much more accepting than the ones that are so called Christians hate people and not just gays.

[ALΞX]

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting individuals. 

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, Queen. said:

What Christians have done much much worse?? Because the ones that I have met are much more accepting than the ones that are so called Christians hate people and not just gays.

this cant be a real question  

[harwee]

Not them passing the vote in the middle of pride month

 

 

 

 

Its over for us

 

[Vrx.]

Muslim ideology is typically not compatible with Western politics so I’m curious how it will be met going forward. Surprised it wasn’t Dearborn! 

[Raphy23]

Not Hamtramck  I visited there with my boyfriend and loved it!

 

Wasn't this a Polish community, when did it become predominantly Muslim? 

[cOe]

Religion is just the pits. I live in a Catholic country and actually the people have become much more liberal in terms of things like premarital sex or (not) going to Church. But the hateful narratives persist and linger, mixing seamlessly with frustration and poverty. It's festering like poison

[Mrnoniee]

the alarming and shocking islamophobia and rage in this thread is sickening me out
there are Muslim gay people too [just so you all know]. 

you didn't voluntarily took them in, YOU invaded their land, destroyed their cities and they had to migrate because of YOU

They're just asking you to respect their beliefs and not actively hunting you down which some gays here are insinuating, like
I know you all live in your Westernized privileged bubble, but Russia banning it, half of Europe being against gays etc. didn't cause this much rage amongst ATRL gay community as a town banning a piece of fabric.

Why are you all acting like they've banned gay people from entering or something? the dramatics are predictable but the hatred against Muslims is extremely shocking. I hope you all find peace.

Islam-related threads really do bring up the dark and ugly side of you all so [media propaganda-ridden mindset having] ATRLers' having meltdowns, dogpiling and raging in this thread is very in line with the hatred-filled mindset you all have against Muslims trend

HOWEVER, this doesn't absolve the people of that town acting dumb and banning things and whatnot [which is very anti-progressive] and just isn't in good taste. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Mrnoniee

[Hephaestus]

People calling for genocide or mass deportation really need to check their internalized racism/xenophobia because those are truly wild takes (especially if you claim to be on the left side of the political spectrum).

 

That being said, people twisting themselves into a pretzel to defend heinous acts like this (which are becoming alarmingly more common) need to check themselves too because they’re literally setting themselves for failure (as seen in this instance). People with conservatives mindsets/values don’t care about you and never will, but they will gladly accept your help to get to the top so they can impose those mindsets/values on everyone else. You can’t keep a tolerant attitude towards someone whose beliefs are inherently intolerant.

[Rotunda]

I think we really need to decide how this forum is going to deal with threads on Muslim-Gay relations, because the bad faith arguments, insensitivities towards peoples’ lived experiences, and rejections of nuance aren’t doing anything to move the convo forward.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Rotunda

[PoisonPill]

46 minutes ago, Hephaestus said:

People calling for genocide or mass deportation really need to check their internalized racism/xenophobia because those are truly wild takes (especially if you claim to be on the left side of the political spectrum).

 

Who is calling for genocide? That's an extremely serious allegation to make about other members.

[KOMH]

Sickening, but not surprising in the least. Islamic doctrine and beliefs are by and large antithetical to progressive Western ideals.

 

Long ago did society progress past the need for religion.

[FakeInsider]

1 hour ago, Mrnoniee said:

the alarming and shocking islamophobia and rage in this thread is sickening me out
there are Muslim gay people too [just so you all know]. 

you didn't voluntarily took them in, YOU invaded their land, destroyed their cities and they had to migrate because of YOU

They're just asking you to respect their beliefs and not actively hunting you down which some gays here are insinuating, like
I know you all live in your Westernized privileged bubble, but Russia banning it, half of Europe being against gays etc. didn't cause this much rage amongst ATRL gay community as a town banning a piece of fabric.

Why are you all acting like they've banned gay people from entering or something? the dramatics are predictable but the hatred against Muslims is extremely shocking. I hope you all find peace.

Islam-related threads really do bring up the dark and ugly side of you all so [media propaganda-ridden mindset having] ATRLers' having meltdowns, dogpiling and raging in this thread is very in line with the hatred-filled mindset you all have against Muslims trend

HOWEVER, this doesn't absolve the people of that town acting dumb and banning things and whatnot [which is very anti-progressive] and just isn't in good taste. 

Shut the **** up. We are against Islam as we should and as everybody on this fórum should be. What is actually sickening is people like you defending a trash religion that want us banned from this world. So please dont waste your time with your left wing essays. Nobody here is gonna Buy it