celeb news Olivia Rodrigo talks about plagiarism, doesn’t confirm or deny Vampire is about Tay

[airplane]

I was told that Taylor is a mastermind who has full control over her career but now they’re saying that she had no say in this entire fiasco and it was beyond her control?

 

What’s the truth? 

[NausAllien]

Just now, airplane said:

I was told that Taylor is a mastermind who has full control over her career but now they’re saying that she had no say in this entire fiasco and it was beyond her control?

 

What’s the truth? 

Whatever fits the Swifties' agenda

 

[orange22]

 

[awesomepossum]

12 hours ago, lacy said:

I'm taking that as her not writing this with Tay in mind

She could have just said, "Not at all! There's no bad blood between us at all." Or something. To be so vague and say, "I don't know how to answer this?" You don't know how to answer this? She could very easily say "It's not about Taylor." That wouldn't give away who the song WAS about. Either the song was about Taylor or, if it wasn't, she doesn't want to clarify that for people and allow them to speculate.

 

Edit: someone said this already! And this website doesn't allow me to delete so... please ignore...

Edited September 2, 2023 by awesomepossum

[awesomepossum]

12 hours ago, Heartbreak Prince said:

50% of royalties omg

 

Hopefully she’s learnt a valuable lesson about plagiarism.

Girl nothing was plagiarised here. 

[réveuse]

2 hours ago, Sombre said:

I like Taylor but 50% is gross. Taylor, more than anyone, should support and help younger artists knowing how hard she had it 15 years ago. 

This!

[réveuse]

20 minutes ago, airplane said:

I was told that Taylor is a mastermind who has full control over her career but now they’re saying that she had no say in this entire fiasco and it was beyond her control?

 

What’s the truth? 

Taylor Swift is a powerful businesswoman who knows what she's doing.

[kyoshi]

2 hours ago, Audiohead said:

And Matt Nathanson getting all his credits for the original ATW and the 10 minute version for Taylor straight up stealing an entire line. “ And I'll forget about you long enough to forget why I need to”

 

If only Taylor granted Olivia half of the same grace that other musicians and songwriters granted her.

 

So you really wanted Taylor to call publicly Olivia a thief? Because that's what that rando did back in 2012  idk if you can call that grace...

[perfect blue]

30 minutes ago, airplane said:

Olivia’s album is destined to SMASH HARD at this point. Get the people talking

We will be streaming to support & UPLIFT young talent. 

[awesomepossum]

12 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

It wasn't the fans that had to point out the similarities, they did a whole as video explaining how they "borrowed" from CS

 

 

 

I think it really comes from naivete cause they really thought it wasn't a big deal, or that it was just part of her "I ❤ Taylor" gimmick at the time

Okay now this is just silly. Musicians and songwriters regularly talk about the specific music that inspired them. For example, Taylor and Jack both mentioned wanting the drum sound in 'I Wish You Would' to sound like the snare in 'She Drives Me Crazy' by Fine Young Cannibals, and basing the track for 'You Are In Love' on 'Secret Garden' by Bruce Springsteen (have you listened to that Springsteen song? The production and chords on the track are LITERALLY identical to You Are In Love). I'm sure I could find other examples. That's the way music production works, especially when collaborating. You want to create a certain sound and you look for similar examples elsewhere to replicate, or at least to use as a starting ground, to develop the sound you want.

[kyoshi]

Just now, orange22 said:

Also it’s funny to me how that one song on Sour that sounds exactly like “Safe & Sound”didn’t get its credits snatched 

Which one? Could Joy Williams be the next Annie?  

[orange22]

3 minutes ago, kyoshi said:

Which one? Could Joy Williams be the next Annie?  

I mean to me it sounds more obvious than either of the ones that actually had credits changed so if other people don’t hear it then…

[bad guy]

The unhinged mental breakdowns in here…

 

 

I understood the taking credit part since it was heavily similar (almost plagiarism for g4u) but 50% is wild. If that’s true she kinda was bled dry like a goddamn vampire.

 

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if Taylor’s gonna make the calculated decision to ignore Olivia completely at the Grammy’s but hug/take photos/shoutout Billie when she wins BPV. 

 

[Alex]

Honestly this is simply embarrassing for all parties involved. I wish these girls wanted more talent and less clout 

[Marry The Gods]

19 pages?

 

 

[awesomepossum]

6 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

I don't care that Olivia copied CS, it's a fantastic song so she at least has good taste. And I've never seen Swifties drag her for that. The issue is people like you claiming the similarity is a hoax when the minute the song was released everyone heard it and Olivia herself admitted. And the issue is also if Olivia keeps trying to be shady, cause then we are indeed gonna rip her to shreds.

The issue is that similarity is not something you can copyright. The melody, harmony, and lyrics are different. So there is no plagiarism and the writing credits are undeserved. 

[Yawn]

2 hours ago, Cain said:

You’re saying this in DEFENSE of Taylor Swift? 

no. not at all  

 

i didn’t mention taylor or try to defend her cause you just assumed that  

[BloodLuster]

[Gui Blackout]

1 minute ago, awesomepossum said:

The issue is that similarity is not something you can copyright. The melody, harmony, and lyrics are different. So there is no plagiarism and the writing credits are undeserved. 

If that was true they could've easily contested it in court, so there's a good reason why they didn't 

[kyoshi]

Just now, orange22 said:

I mean to me it sounds more obvious than either of the ones that actually had credits changed so if other people don’t hear it then…

I don't listen to olivia, i don't know which song you are referring to 

[ImpressMeMuch]

52 minutes ago, orange22 said:

 

Those who speak the loudest are always telling on themselves, so disappointing 

[awesomepossum]

2 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

If that was true they could've easily contested it in court, so there's a good reason why they didn't 

If you knew what you were talking about you could discern for yourself whether or not the lyrics, melody, or harmony are the same by listening to them. For example, the verse of Taylor's song 'Paper Rings' has the same melody as the verse of 'Breathe In, Breathe Out' by Hilary Duff. You can go listen to them yourself and hear that. And the melody of the chorus for 'Wildest Dreams' is the same as the melody to 'Without You' by Lana. You can go listen to them yourself. Cruel Summer and Deja Vu are not the same. Go listen for yourself. They just aren't the same.

 

Who knows why Olivia and/or her team conceded on this point. Maybe they wanted to avoid the press of a lawsuit. Especially since this was her debut and she had mentioned Taylor so frequently in the press. Court isn't just court if you're a public figure. There's the PR angle as well. Many people would see a clip of her saying she was inspired by 'Cruel Summer' and misunderstand that as meaning plagiarism occurred (see: this thread). Or maybe they didn't want the appearance of a feud with such a huge figure as Taylor Swift. I don't know. There are many reasons people want to stay out of court. But the fact that it didn't go to court is not relevant as to whether or not the lyrics, melody, or harmony are the same. People don't always take legal action just because they can (see: Lana and Hilary opting NOT to sue Taylor for blatant plagiarism). 

[awesomepossum]

35 minutes ago, kyoshi said:

 

So you really wanted Taylor to call publicly Olivia a thief? Because that's what that rando did back in 2012  idk if you can call that grace...

I think they meant Hilary Duff and Lana Del Rey not suing. And Evan and Jaron and Saving Jane for I'd Lie similarities (but that track is unreleased as of yet), Matt Nathanson for a lifted lyric in All Too Well, Panic! At The Disco for the 'don't threaten me with a good time' lyric, ETC.

[1989]

Not this non-response garnering a twenty page thread, and with so much misinformation flying around in it. Never change, ATRL. 

[kyoshi]

2 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

I feel like people forget that Hailey or whatever her name is literally bragged about it on social media as well. Exploitive as hell. I cant stand seeing a mediocre white woman lke Hailey Williams make fun of exploiting a Philipino woman that has more talent.

 

no way in hell is olivia more talented than Hayley and what bragging? Or are you just dense?