base talk Where's the dislike for Taylor swift coming from?

[EmailMySwift]

58 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

In what world is Rihanna a good singer?? 

Right? Rihanna, like Taylor, is an average singer who happens to have a good voice for pop records. 

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

Right? Rihanna, like Taylor, is an average singer who happens to have a good voice for pop records. 

You know what, at least you're honest. Wish I could say Taylor has a good voice for pop records as well though

 

 

[Katamari]

was wondering why this had so many pages but i see navy vs swifties is back in full force 

 

[HEAVYONIT]

Many people that don't like her don't like her for being a hitmaker with a very average voice

[BraveNewSeth]

Probably stemming from the fact that Taylor is dominating nearly every industry. Her albums sell like hot cakes. Her singles are guaranteed to hit the top 10 and have massive longevity. Her tours are always massive blockbusters. Her Eras Tour movie is about to sweep the box office… she’s practically untouchable, she can sink her teeth into nearly any venture she wants to and it’s guaranteed to be a success. It’s actually insane

[Tylerbv]

It’s mostly her fanbase.

 

I don’t like her music but wouldn’t have an opinion really if it weren’t for her insufferable fans (not all, obviously, but the loudest ones). Strong BTS or 1D fan vibes.

[Katamari]

i think most of the hate is rooted in the fanbase. i would say atrl's swifties are cool for the most part even if some are really shady

 

twitter swifties are another beast. like they are currently feuding with Metallica because they broke one of Taylors stadium records. Like its giving Army 

 

 

 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, EmailMySwift said:

Right? Rihanna, like Taylor, is an average singer who happens to have a good voice for pop records. 

And the thing is: i know Taylor is not the best singer either, i have no problem admitting that. But she MORE than compensate for that with her songwriting skills, playing several instruments and having a lot of stage presence (because yes, stage presence is NOT dancing). Only OTHs pretend Taylor has no talent, the rest of the world can easily see the truth 

[PoisonedIvy]

7 minutes ago, lonnie said:

She is. Why are y'all so upset about accepting this? It really shouldn't be a big deal, especially since Taylor stans firmly believe and stan her writing abilities. So what does accepting that Rihanna is a better singer cost y'all?

 

And these tiers aren't real. Jazmine Sullivan and Adele aren't in the same "tier". The capabilities, strengths and weaknesses of the singers you have listed are not the same. Rihanna does have issues with breath control and her upper register, but she's certainly a better singer than Taylor and Selena. There's no splitting hairs about it, nor should it even be a topic of discussion. Taylor is a bad singer, she's an awful dancer, and overall lackluster performer. While Rihanna isn't necessarily the best vocalist, she certainly has more strengths as a singer and performer than Taylor and that's okay to admit. You don't have to lump her in an imaginary tier to justify any of this.

I agree Jazmine Sullivan is far and away better than Adele, the tiers just simplify things if you ask me. The only girls worth splitting hairs for in my opinion are the A Tiers. There’s are SUBSTANTIAL reasons some people prefer Whitney over Mariah or Barba over Celine or Aretha over Etta. There is minimal reason to care about Taylor or Rihanna or Katy being a better or worse vocalist than each other. But since it seems to matter to you, you can have it in writing because I quite literally do not care: Rihanna is a more skilled “vocalist” than Taylor Swift, who is a very weak “vocalist”.
 

(I wouldn’t personally assign that word to either of them but there you have it)

 

[airplane]

The mental gymnastics to defend that mediocrity is insane.

 

She’s Literally Mc Donald’s. Safe, accessible, bland, tasteless, easy to digest

Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane

[PoisonedIvy]

McDonald’s is accessible because their prices are lower than their competitors. Not because of the quality of their food, which is panned across the board. Incomparable to Taylor’s music which is priced right on par with the rest of the industry (and in fact more expensive when it comes to her double and triple vinyl releases lately) + she gets acclaim and awards the likes of which McDonalds couldn’t even dream of   that drag is so stale but it’s an easy kii for y’all and I know it’s not going anywhere so get your life 

[Miley Cyrus]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

If cherry-picking was an effective way to discuss things like this then we could talk about her signature song All Too Well, which was named the 69th greatest song of all time by Rolling Stone, listed among the best songs of this century and the 2010s by multiple publications, nominated in a songwriting Grammy category that most people think she should have won, named the best breakup song of all time by Billboard, and made into the subject of a full ten-week Stanford University course, but I’m sure you’ll find something wrong with that song too, or with the fact that I listed these things as support instead of doing my own analysis of the lyrics’ quality, or who knows what else

Lol they made a university course about a 3 minute song… this just plays into what I was saying about her songwriting skills being severely overstated. Take off the stan goggles for a second.

 

The endless praise for mediocrity is exhausting to see. Anyways isn’t there an Easter egg or some secret code you need to decipher in some obscure picture? You have your hands full no need to go back and forth with me.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Miley Cyrus

[lonnie]

Just now, WeFoundTrouble said:

I agree Jazmine Sullivan is far and away better than Adele, the tiers just simplify things if you ask me. The only girls worth splitting hairs for in my opinion are the A Tiers. There’s are SUBSTANTIAL reasons some people prefer Whitney over Mariah or Barba over Celine or Aretha over Etta. There is minimal reason to care about Taylor or Rihanna or Katy being a better or worse vocalist than each other. But since it seems to matter to you, you can have it in writing because I quite literally do not care: Rihanna is a more skilled “vocalist” than Taylor Swift, who is a very weak “vocalist”.
 

(I wouldn’t personally assign that word to either of them but there you have it)

 

I promise you it's not that serious  

The vocal abilities of singers, mostly female singers, is often discussed and scrutinized, hell Rih gets more flack for her performances than Taylor despite Taylor being way worse. Literally no one would ever say Rih is a better performer than MJ or Bey as they would with Taylor. Again, it's not important to me that Rih is a better singer than Taylor (because almost everyone is and so it's not much of an accomplishment/anything to brag about), but it's important to lay facts as they are: Rihanna is a better singer, dancer, overall performer than Taylor. Like why go back and forth over this when we both know this to be true and that it doesn't change anything about how we view either of them?  

[EmailMySwift]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

The mental gymnastics to defend that mediocrity is insane.

 

She’s Literally Mc Donald’s. Safe, accessible, bland, tasteless, easy to digest

Calling her McDonals is just a coping mechanism. 

 

McDonalds music is created in writing camps, factory style. 

 

Both McDonalds and writing camps are basically factories churning out products for the masses. 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

I don’t like nor dislike her. I am indifferent to Taylor Swift. From what I am seeing I would say that her fans are become little monsters, making unnecessary wars and acting like she is above everyone which is ridiculous. There’s also many people that consider her to be mediocre. 

[airplane]

10 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

she gets acclaim and awards the likes of which McDonalds couldn’t even dream of   

She’s been exposed countless times for sending gifts to awarding bodies and threatening critics who speak negatively of her 

 

She recently hired a PR agency in a desperate bid to bag an Oscar nomination and you tried to gaslight us into thinking it was “networking” but the clown came back to bite and she wasn’t even considered for the shortlists 

 

It’s all a facade, bloated with PR, sympathy and payola.

Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane

[naval23]

ecoterrorism

[PoisonedIvy]

8 minutes ago, airplane said:

She’s been exposed countless times for sending gifts to awarding bodies and threatening critics who speak negatively of her 

 

She recently hired a PR agency in a desperate bid to bag an Oscar nomination and you tried to gaslight us into thinking it was “networking” but the clown came back to bite and she wasn’t even considered for the shortlists 

You’d have a point if she didn’t also get acclaim from the users who listen and review on aggregate review sites.  The acclaim is across the board, not just in the areas she can manipulate babes.

 

9 minutes ago, lonnie said:

I promise you it's not that serious  

The vocal abilities of singers, mostly female singers, is often discussed and scrutinized, hell Rih gets more flack for her performances than Taylor despite Taylor being way worse. Literally no one would ever say Rih is a better performer than MJ or Bey as they would with Taylor. Again, it's not important to me that Rih is a better singer than Taylor (because almost everyone is and so it's not much of an accomplishment/anything to brag about), but it's important to lay facts as they are: Rihanna is a better singer, dancer, overall performer than Taylor. Like why go back and forth over this when we both know this to be true and that it doesn't change anything about how we view either of them?  

i agree with you overall, and for what it’s worth I’m not crazy enough to ever try to claim Taylor is a better performer than MJ or Bey. She’s great at her schtick but she’s obviously not THAT kind of a performer and I’m not the type to even throw that hat in the ring cause it’s just asking to get clowned

Edited September 1, 2023 by WeFoundTrouble

[awong918]

Her fans are insufferable online.

 

I've actually been a fan since the Teardrops / Picture to Burn / White Horse days, but I do not want to be grouped with the Swifties. 

 

[Smarticle]

29 minutes ago, Katamari said:

was wondering why this had so many pages but i see navy vs swifties is back in full force 

 

never would've believed taylor would reach rihanna's level but it's nice to see the navy have a fire lit under them for once

 

also i see some madonna stans feeling threatened too

 

[airplane]

11 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

You’d have a point if she didn’t also get acclaim from the users who listen and review on aggregate review sites.  The acclaim is across the board, not just in the areas she can manipulate babes.

 

 

Stans rating their fave highly on metacritic? Shocking 

 

The acclaim is achieved through bullying babes. I think you’re one of the more tolerable swifties so i’ll drop the conversation here 

Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

i agree with you overall, and for what it’s worth I’m not crazy enough to ever try to claim Taylor is a better performer than MJ or Bey. She’s great at her schtick but she’s obviously not THAT kind of a performer and I’m not the type to even throw that hat in the ring cause it’s just asking to get clowned

Of course I'm not saying it was you that said this, just that recently I've seen those comparisons with MJ and Bey because of the success of Eras tour and Taylor's massive numbers. Moreso, just showing that Rih gets more flack and criticism. Anyway you and airplane and fentypark and emailmyswift can go ahead with this and have this. I'm not going to go pages and pages in this thread as I did the last thread that turned into Taylor vs Rih I was in, especially since it's not that interesting too

 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Smarticle said:

never would've believed taylor would reach rihanna's level but it's nice to see the navy have a fire lit under them for once

 

Is the fire in question in the room with us? We went against the hive and the damn c-squad and you think it's the swifties that will light a fire under our ass?

 

[Smarticle]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Is the fire in question in the room with us? We went against the hive and the damn c-squad and you think it's the swifties that will light a fire under our ass?

 

from your multiple responses in this thread, yes it is

 

[lonnie]

Just now, Smarticle said:

from your multiple responses in this thread, yes it is

 

I'm mostly bored. And can't kick the habit of replying to ridiculous statements (like yours here) that swifties make