base talk Where's the dislike for Taylor swift coming from?

[moondust]

She can't sing, can't dance, juvenile songwriting, boring discography, lackluster performer, not usually visually interesting & awful dating choices such as dating racists or being a grown woman picking her bf up from high school bcs he's still enrolled there.

 

Those are the facts & then there's the possibilities such as her being two faced & not being a girl's girl while crying about feminism whenever it suits her.

 

Like who you wanna like but don't pull this obtuse act when other ppl aren't here for her.

[spree]

the hate comes from jealousy, of course.

 

I don't hate her.  Does she deserve this much success?  Well yea, seeing that she's the hardest working artist in the game right now with an incredible team.  I'm sure they've had the past two years (and next year) all planned out.  It's one calculated move after another.  I bet no one here knew the re-recordings would be over when the tour is over.  No one saw that coming.  And even in between all that and the tour she is spotted in the studio, so hats off to her.  I couldn't do it.   She's probably trying to do as much as she can before turning 40 so she can settle down a bit and live off royalties like Rihanna.  I don't see her releasing like this in her 40's and beyond.  

 

as for her music, it's the same old same old.  She uses her studio voice well, and can write a harmonic tune.  I'll give her that.  But most of her singles are too basic, Hot AC fodder for me.  Anti-Hero is great, but the rest, even Cruel Summer, is not my cup of tea.  But her formula works, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?

 

I always believe that hard work pays off in anything you do, so yes, she does deserve it. 

[bijonse]

On 9/3/2023 at 12:59 PM, EmailMySwift said:

She will not stay in her lane to appease you  she will continue to serve popstar and it's working since she's the biggest female popstar of all time. And that's why ya'll are mad. 

Sales wise no madonna and others are still bigger. It keeps the swifties up at night streaming her on loop  

 

 folklore and evermore I saw a lot less hate for her and her profile was elevated, more people respected her bc she wasn’t trying to give us pop icon and did what she does best at even if the album wasn’t my cup of tea. This midnights stuff is not my cup of tea on top of her serving us corny pop star and horrible stage presence, it gets her dragged all the time and makes people not respect her 

[bijonse]

On 9/5/2023 at 7:22 PM, kataraqueen said:

No you're right it is straight up moral superiority complex. They self-insert into Taylor's holier than thou music and attitude, and use this to prove to themselves that they're not losers and won from the shallow mean girls in high school (Britney, Beyonce, etc)

Whoa spill. The amount of swifties I see acting like taylor and her cat eye sharp enough to kill a man is “real music” and that other pop girls serve garbage is crazy. On twitter they get themselves dragged by EVERYONE claiming her concerts are better for the fact that she cannot sing or dance somehow. they are just delusional and get her dragged all the time  they should stick to the boring stats arguments 

Edited September 7, 2023 by bijonse

[byzantium]

It’s interesting that two Navy members are among the 3 top posters in this thread. 

[The7thStranger]

Reasons, whether they are justified or not, that people may dislike Taylor Swift:

• Some people genuinely dislike her music and don't find her interesting.
  • These people may also take umbrage with her success if they feel she's too mediocre to deserve it.
• Some people are jealous of her success, whether because they wish they could be her or wish their faves could be her.
• Some people hate the cult that surrounds her and take that aggression out on her. Swifties have been a standard level of annoying for years, but 2023 is the year they've gone over the edge and matched peak Monsters and peak Hive. That's not something to be proud of.
• Sexist people think she's a boy-crazy **** because she's dated more people than they deem acceptable for a woman.
• Some people find her to be too shrewd, opportunistic, and careerist to be taken seriously as an artistic entity. In other words, her works may ring hollow because of her behavior off-stage.
• The Matty Healy thing, which lends credibility to the belief that her political alignments are only skin-deep.
• She see-saws between extreme maturity (her court case, albums like Folklore and evermore) and extreme immaturity (ME!, Shake It Off, and Look What You Made Me Do).
• Her album roll-outs rub people the wrong way with the high number of variants.
• She's completely oversaturated on the market between new albums and Taylor's Versions of the back catalog. You can't escape her, and that can wear people down. This also happened to Lady GaGa (BTW and Artpop) and Madonna (the Sex book).

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For me personally, I like Taylor's music and am indeed a fan of her work. In particular, I adore Lover, evermore, and Midnights. And yes, I buy the physicals.

 

I cannot stand her stans, though, who have made logging onto ATRL very unappealing for the past few months. Their attitude and cult-ish point of view reminds me a lot of the Monsters in 2012, and that's nothing something I'm keen to be a part of. If I were a Swiftie, I'd be embarrassed by how the they act online.

 

And as for Taylor herself, while I do not know the woman (clearly), I do find her to be very opportunistic and disingenuous, and that prevents me from fully engaging with her work. I'm a POC, and the Matty Healy situation, and her silent response, opened my eyes to just how careerist she can be. (Note that I threw away my 1975 albums the second I heard of Matty's behavior and comments; I still own Taylor's, but they're just sitting there collecting dust). Outside of when Anti-Hero comes on the radio in the morning, I haven't listened to her music since that debacle. And I honestly don't know that I will again unless she properly addresses it and makes amends. Ignoring it and waiting for it to go away really spoke volumes to me.

[Kh-Loud]

7 hours ago, moondust said:

She can't sing, can't dance, juvenile songwriting, boring discography, lackluster performer, not usually visually interesting & awful dating choices such as dating racists or being a grown woman picking her bf up from high school bcs he's still enrolled there.

 

Those are the facts & then there's the possibilities such as her being two faced & not being a girl's girl while crying about feminism whenever it suits her.

 

Like who you wanna like but don't pull this obtuse act when other ppl aren't here for her.

wow, what a post, fills with nothing but FACTSSS

 

[Apolonio ₃₄]

@SmittenCake not you getting a whole mega hit thread lmao 

[WildHeart]

7 hours ago, bijonse said:

folklore and evermore I saw a lot less hate for her and her profile was elevated, more people respected her bc she wasn’t trying to give us pop icon

Because stan twitter didn't see her as a threat due to her lack of hits and "GP popularity"*

 

Fumes of other artists' fans in Twitter doesn't reflect the real world and she is much more liked/popular than she was during the Folkmore era. A quick look at real world instead of stan Twitter bubble would show you that 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Giorgoc]

On 9/1/2023 at 6:10 PM, Badgalbriel said:

Point proven again. It can't be her because they think only their opinion on what music should sound like is allowed to be successful. If it's not what they like, then she doesn't deserve it.

That's got nothing to do with it the post you quoted tho. Taylor being an okay singer and a bad dancer IS a fact. She doesn't deserve the success she's getting no question about it.

 

BUT that doesn't mean she's untalented or doesn't deserve success. She should be successful but more successful than any pop artist before her? No m'am.

[greento]

10 hours ago, moondust said:

She can't sing, can't dance, juvenile songwriting, boring discography, lackluster performer, not usually visually interesting & awful dating choices such as dating racists or being a grown woman picking her bf up from high school bcs he's still enrolled there.

 

Those are the facts & then there's the possibilities such as her being two faced & not being a girl's girl while crying about feminism whenever it suits her.

 

Like who you wanna like but don't pull this obtuse act when other ppl aren't here for her.

The way there’s not a single fact in this post 

[YellowRibbon]

Maybe, just maybe, she's managed to find the right equilibrium between being "safe" and "distinctive"... Something most mainstream artists struggle with.

[Flanders]

When someone becomes extremely popular and are constantly hailed by fans for all their achievements, it creates a backlash from people who don't feel the same way. the same thing has happened to countless others, like Beyoncé before her.

[Rep2000]

11 hours ago, byzantium said:

It’s interesting that two Navy members are among the 3 top posters in this thread. 

I mean, what else are they gonna do?

[bijonse]

8 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Because stan twitter didn't see her as a threat due to her lack of hits and "GP popularity"*

 

Fumes of other artists' fans in Twitter doesn't reflect the real world and she is much more liked/popular than she was during the Folkmore era. A quick look at real world instead of stan Twitter bubble would show you that 

In the real world she got a ton of acclaim and another Grammy for AOTY?? Now that’s she’s trying to do the pop star thing with eras tour and the horrible showmanship she’s getting dragged again and it’s not just on “stan twitter”. She’s more liked yes but also more made fun of than ever now. It’s both

[BPD]

Mediocre white girl. She’s just so basic to me tbh 

[zasderfght]

Some of the comments on here make me laugh, and I'm neither a Taylor Swift fan nor a Taylor Swift hater. I don't say that to be edgy-- I really loved Red (Taylor's Version), folklore, evermore, and I liked lover. The rest? I could take or leave it, to be perfectly honest with you. But comments like "she doesn't deserve her success" are hilarious. She has worked her A$$ off, churning 10 studio albums and re-recording... how many albums? The amount of tours she's performed? The amount of live performances she's done? The amount of music video sets she's appeared on? If anyone deserves success... IT IS A WOMAN WHO WORKS HARD. I don't care if you think she's mediocre, untalented, etc. Don't you want to see someone who works hard succeed? And even if the metric is critical acclaim, Taylor Swift has it! LEGIT music critics are saying, yeah, she's the real deal. 

 

I might not think Midnights is amazing, but a qualifier to being successful is not solely (or only) having Mariah Carey vocals or having Beyonce-style choreography. It's okay to be a different type of musician and performer. And it's okay to not like said artist. But to say she doesn't deserve success is extremely, extremely ignorant. 

[Beyonceist]

For me? Absolute lack of performing skills and vocals.