celeb news Taylor Swift boosting the economy a lie? Journalist fact checks...

[Klein]

Aaaaaaaand this thread turned into a sh*tshow 

[YellowRibbon]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

how?

 

Performing in such places should be seen as uplifting for those communities. Women there would be able to see Beyonce perform and imagine themselves in her place. She would be pushing boundaries with her provocative performances and make people more used to a woman being liberated and successful. Contrary to your belief, Beyonce should be performing in more places like Dubai, and that is why she should be criticized. She's a capitalist and is only performing in Europe and North America. If places like Dubai never interact with such people as Beyonce, they would never encounter new and progressive ideas

Your point would be valid if she had decided to perform in Dubai to make a statement and not for some rich dude that paid her +$20M for a few hours. You can't have both simultaneously.

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Even if the $5 Billion figure itself isn’t accurate, it’s obvious Taylor has the biggest tour of the year and will likely have the biggest economic impact.

We all know that it's true. I am just frustrated that her fans are downplaying every other artist, especially Beyonce while being openly racist. We know that Taylor will outgross Beyonce, you don't have to mention it every time Beyonce is being celebrated

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Rotunda said:

With that said, a portion of those mentions are people wishing Bey was being moving more intentionally with this era similar to Taylor. It isn’t all shade.

I would agree with you if the other portion would not literally be comments like "Beyonce deserves to be #2 after that talentless white girl, she does nothing" so...

[Rotunda]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

I would agree with you if the other portion would not literally be comments like "Beyonce deserves to be #2 after that talentless white girl, she does nothing" so...

C’mon you need to be a little less intellectually dishonest. I and several other Hive users have no problem giving Taylor her flowers. 

[byzantium]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Because the OP is frustrated because Beyonce is being downplayed every day. She became the highest grossing female touring act and first replay was "Taylor will overtake her". That happens every time. Every Beyonce's achievement is being downplayed. Of course they will want revenge lol

But by starting a thread to downplay another artist’s achievements, aren’t they doing the exact same thing?  

[Brikenbur]

They have been “inflating” everything Taylor Swift this year it’s insane. Not surprised. 

[Windy Day]

wether she did or not, it’s an obvious pr tactic and taylor’s pr team learned from bts’ book. they did the exact same thing with the exact same headlines…

[Dreajae]

1 minute ago, YellowRibbon said:

"Intersectionality" but then performs in Dubai where women and other minorites are opressed on daily basis... Beyonce is as Capitalist as Taylor, they just appeal to different crowds and they use a different approach with their marketing strategies. 

Dubai is not Quatar. And with the same rhetoric Beyonce and Taylor shouldn't even be performing as women in the Untied States. You'll never win this debate of ethics. Taylor as a white women with literal middle American roots and a banker investor daddy holds alot of social capital and power over most, even if she wern't famous. 

 

Let's not act like your fave isn't above dating racists, attacking women or performing in Dubai or anywhere else. 

[EmailMySwift]

Just to be clear, if articles about Taylor's tour boosting the economy are her team's PR, then articles about Beyonce's tour (which will gross less than Taylor's) \ boosting the economy are also her team's PR, right? Like this from yesterday: https://abc7news.com/beyonce-economic-impact-renaissance-tour-small-businesses-santa-clara-levis-stadium/13719041/#:~:text=at Levi's Stadium-,Both Black-owned%2C women-owned businesses in Silicon Valley,before Beyonce performed in Philadephia.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, YellowRibbon said:

Your point would be valid if she had decided to perform in Dubai to make a statement and not for some rich dude that paid her +$20M for a few hours. You can't have both simultaneously.

My point still stands, it's just that I haven't emphasized that's she's performing for the large sums of money

 

However, she is still making music that celebrates marginalized groups. She's done that for 25 years. She made an album featuring artists from Africa and dedicated it to Africa, and made a film to accompany it. She lost a lot of money there. She doesn't go to Africa to perform because she won't earn much. But still, she did more than anyone and it still cost her. She should do more, of course, but let's not downplay what she did, because others do nothing about it

[YellowRibbon]

3 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

Dubai is not Quatar. And with the same rhetoric Beyonce and Taylor shouldn't even be performing as women in the Untied States. You'll never win this debate of ethics. Taylor as a white women with literal middle American roots and a banker investor daddy holds alot of social capital and power over most, even if she wern't famous. 

 

Let's not act like your fave isn't above dating racists, attacking women or performing in Dubai or anywhere else. 

Uhhh you don't want to play the Ethics Olympics as a Beyoncé fan, I guarantee you that you'll eventually lose.

Edited September 1, 2023 by YellowRibbon
Misquoted someone

[Windy Day]

2 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

Just to be clear, if articles about Taylor's tour boosting the economy are her team's PR, then articles about Beyonce's tour (which will gross less than Taylor's) \ boosting the economy are also her team's PR, right? Like this from yesterday: https://abc7news.com/beyonce-economic-impact-renaissance-tour-small-businesses-santa-clara-levis-stadium/13719041/#:~:text=at Levi's Stadium-,Both Black-owned%2C women-owned businesses in Silicon Valley,before Beyonce performed in Philadephia.

yes they are all pr. are yall dumb or do you not know anything about the industry / pr?? 😭

 

do you think it’s a coincidence that dozen of the same headlines are coming out at the same time? it’s obvious media play and it’s the same for any artist

 

it’s a game

Edited September 1, 2023 by Windy Day

[liam13]

2 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

Just to be clear, if articles about Taylor's tour boosting the economy are her team's PR, then articles about Beyonce's tour (which will gross less than Taylor's) \ boosting the economy are also her team's PR, right? Like this from yesterday: https://abc7news.com/beyonce-economic-impact-renaissance-tour-small-businesses-santa-clara-levis-stadium/13719041/#:~:text=at Levi's Stadium-,Both Black-owned%2C women-owned businesses in Silicon Valley,before Beyonce performed in Philadephia.

no, if its beyonce its factual. anyone elses is pr and your racist if you dont think so

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, byzantium said:

But by starting a thread to downplay another artist’s achievements, aren’t they doing the exact same thing?  

every action has an equal reaction. today's thread is a reaction to yesterday's threads

[Blue Rose]

3 hours ago, Taylor fanboy said:

So all other economic boosts are all lies then too? e.g. Barbie, Beyoncé

 

Good luck America! 

Yes. These are all estimates but only one fanbase used it as a weapon and now it’s rotten eggs on their faces  

[Folklore89sm]

who is this rando and what are his credentials?

[Lovett]

5 minutes ago, byzantium said:

But by starting a thread to downplay another artist’s achievements, aren’t they doing the exact same thing?  

This is where the issue stems from. You are all taking this thread as a personal attack against Taylor, because I posted an investigation by a journalist who is disputing economic articles about her.  That's not 'downplaying her achievements'.

[Pheromosa]

@Lovett congrats on the hit thread honey

what a mess 

it's very clear it's PR mixed with some random calculations from analysts.

[Lovett]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

every action has an equal reaction. today's thread is a reaction to yesterday's threads

To clarify, I haven't posted this in reaction to anything. I literally just saw the thread on my timeline and thought it would be interesting to make a thread about it, so everyone can discuss. The Taylor v. Beyoncé threads really don't bother me, personally.

[brazil]

3 hours ago, YellowRibbon said:

Would Noah P lie???

 

If you believe a journalist over actual economists that have been asked... I don't know what to tell you

What economists? The people who made the report themselves said it was meant to be "fun" 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, Lovett said:

To clarify, I haven't posted this in reaction to anything. I literally just saw the thread on my timeline and thought it would be interesting to make a thread about it, so everyone can discuss. The Taylor v. Beyoncé threads really don't bother me, personally.

nnnnnnn it's mess then 

 

I'm sorry for assuming 

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, Lovett said:

This is where the issue stems from. You are all taking this thread as a personal attack against Taylor, because I posted an investigation by a journalist who is disputing economic articles about her.  That's not 'downplaying her achievements'.

Girl, you posted to literally downplay the achievements of another artist.  But then get extremely upset whenever anyone would do the same for Beyoncé.  

[byzantium]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

every action has an equal reaction. today's thread is a reaction to yesterday's threads

And yesterday’s threads were a reaction to prior threads last week which were reactions to threads last month etc.  What is the value in justifying this cycle of attacks? 

[Lovett]

3 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Girl, you posted to literally downplay the achievements of another artist.  But then get extremely upset whenever anyone would do the same for Beyoncé.  

Again, this isn't downplaying her "achievements", it's a journalist who has found the that articles were misleading in their reporting. You're taking it as a personal attack. There's a difference, you just don't seem interested in seeing or acknowledging it.