shark_heather Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 On the other hand maybe the last time she was touring , she had some mental issues and she doesn't want to go through this again ... which is understandable At the end of the day she can do whatever she wants
liquiddiamonds Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mons†er said: glad someone with the platform is speaking up and speaking out. touring is not just perform music for hundreds of thousands of people who love you. there are dates you have to nail down with venues, there is a band, there may be dancers, there is wardrobe and make up, some artists sing live which takes a huge strin on your voice over the years and not in a positive way. let's not bring in the promo you have to do for your tour, ON TOP of the promotion you may have to do for a single you released or maybe promoting a feature your own. and the business partners you have to network and promote on top if it. and what about the fans that have started the trend of throwing things at artists on stage? some artists are incredible germaphobes now after COVID. touring is not healthy honestly and as big as Miley is, as much as she has given to the world she is very much entitled to feel this way and do as she please. I was at the MSG garden show of the BANGERZ tour after Floyd was attacked, as a dog owner I can only imagine what she had to do to push through that entire tour. stans and fans should be A LOT more empathetic to artists, they're human beings first and deserve to be treated as such. it's really odd to me how people feel entitlement to artists bc they supported them. like... you made that choice to support them they're not prostitutes or toys for your amusement. they are real people, they have issues just like the rest of us. The thing is that Miley is a big enough artist to have tours in whatever scale she wishes. It can be a theater, not a stadium; it can have rearrangements that don’t take a toll on her voice; it can involve less dancing, acrobatics and wardrobe changes; it doesn’t have to be a world tour, not even in consecutive dates. Touring schedule can fit an artist if they enjoy the touring experience. She clearly doesn’t now, which is what she should’ve said instead of making it seem like something incredibly hard and that she has zero control over it. She’s not an employee but the actual boss and mind behind the thing. This is why I can’t with celebrities complaining about it. Welcome to capitalism, we are all overworked and this is your (privileged) field Edited August 27, 2023 by liquiddiamonds 1 2
velocity Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 can't stand celebrities who constantly whine about their jobs 1
Just a Gay on ATRL Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, HANZ94 said: There is no demand for her anyways her last tour Bangerz which was a decade ago was not that successful and she was in her peak There is a lot of demand. I would pay to see her next tour in a heartbeat, lol. I think a lot of others would too. She was very divisive during Bangerz, as many people wanted to see her back then, she probably turned off enough people who passed on going that it hurt the box office. Since then, she has added a lot of well-loved songs to her discog since Bangerz that she didn't have back then and her image now is very different.
shark_heather Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, wish said: She's already clarified this statement & said that she loves her fans dearly. Let's give this woman some respect and space, she's been a public figure since 13 years old & she has every right to withdraw from everything and enjoy a private life for a year or two Gurl last time she toured was like 500 years ago Ita not like she was touring every year and she needs a break She has been on a break since i dont know when Again yes , she will do whatever she wants its not obligatory to tour .. but its also super weird who knows maybe on her last festival tour with Plastic Hearts she had a mental breakdown 2
Superbitch Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 I mean if it’s not touring at least some performances here and there wouldn’t hurt. Not just in a backyard.
wish Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jaded. said: I do feel sympathy for her and I will never pretend touring is easy for any artist, but she seems to downright not want to do it, which is what I find really odd. You have to admit it's kind of a shame. But she definitely doesn't seem to be in the right headspace to do it rn, which in that case, she definitely shouldn't do it nor be forced to do it. I hope she eventually comes around to it. It's disappointing as stans but we need to view the situation with a BIT of empathy jksdkj She's recently sober, just got over a divorce, major family drama... clearly she's focused on her personal life rn and maybe she wants to build more of a stable foundation at home so that she can handle fame & touring in a more healthy way. I really don't think she hates touring, she's just not ready right now 3
mons†er Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, liquiddiamonds said: The thing is that Miley is a big enough artist to have tours in the whatever scale she wants. It can be a theater, not a stadium; it can have rearrangements that don’t take a toll on her voice; it can involve less dancing, acrobatics and wardrobe changes; it doesn’t have to be a world tour, not even in consecutive dates. Touring schedule can fit an artist if they enjoy the touring experience. She clearly doesn’t now, which is what she should’ve said instead of making it seem like something incredibly hard and that she has zero control over it. She’s not a employee but the actual boss if she made it a theater tour not as many fans would be able to attend. I'm sure the performer in her would also be really hurt she's not doing it to the vision she has in her creative mind. it's not fair or ethical to Miley to scale down for her own personal reasons. what I'm gathering is that she rather not do it at all for her own personal reason and everyone is affected equally. if that makes sense. and with social media and how manic fans can be nowadays, do you think she would want to deal with all of the vitrol that would come with that? especially from her own fanbase?
State of Grace. Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) I think she has a point but it's so weird how it looked like she was having the time of her life with those festivals in LatAm and she's a great performer with great stage presence and knows to entertain/engage with an audience. People change I guess. I can totally see her changing her mind about this in the future. She definitely has enough demand for at least an arena tour globally, so I doubt it's an excuse lol Edited August 27, 2023 by State of Grace.
BrokenMachine Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: I wonder about this with Taylor, the subject/observer thing. What must it feel like every night to be the center of attention for over three hours for hundreds of thousands of people screaming for you and then waving goodbye and slipping away to a quiet bedroom alone, night after night? Sure she’s been doing this for a long time, but that can’t feel psychologically normal. Well, that's why (even with greater pollution costs) she flies in her private jet to go home between concerts rather than sleeping in hotels. Some of her family and friends are with her on tour, which might make things less dehumanizing for her. It's the same for Lana right now who is touring but taking her family with her
Blade Runner Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) I mean, I kind of get the pressure of being just a person in front of 65K other human beings. It must be an incredibly stressful, weird situation for your body and soul. We can't honestly judge them because we'll NEVER experience something like that. Ever. Edited August 27, 2023 by Blade Runner 1
Just a Gay on ATRL Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Oceania said: I genuinely believe nobody likes to tour. It doesn't seem like it Maybe there needs to be a deeper discussion in the music industry about how to make touring more bearable an experience.
UnusualBoy Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 She should just say she hates and calls it a day…
liquiddiamonds Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, mons†er said: if she made it a theater tour not as many fans would be able to attend. I'm sure the performer in her would also be really hurt she's not doing it to the vision she has in her creative mind. it's not fair or ethical to Miley to scale down for her own personal reasons I would side with this point, but she has said in a previous interview she actually enjoys performing for friends and small audiences these days, because of the intimacy. I don’t think it’s a worried about fans thing, but an artist-thing. She doesn’t want to and as wish has written she’s been through a lot in the last couple of years and she needs time to process all that for herself. I just wish her PR team didn’t exploit this touring point. A lot of artists don’t tour often or at all. It’s not something they speak about and triggers fans because it paints us as weirdos for working our asses off to watch an artist we enjoy in the touring setting they had planned themselves (stadiums, huge festivals, many dates, many locations, etc)
BrokenMachine Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Jaded. said: It doesn't seem like it Maybe there needs to be a deeper discussion in the music industry about how to make touring more bearable an experience. Well, there it is already, at least in some minor circles, but taking Madonna for example how she orders many stuff to be taken with her on tour, only certain food, her hotel to be ordered in certain way and all of it just for her to feel kinda more like home and least like in a dead space. People have called her diva and with 'queen behaviour', but it's also her way to cope with touring
mons†er Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, liquiddiamonds said: I would side with this point, but she has said in a previous interview she actually enjoys performing for friends and small audiences these days, because of the intimacy. I don’t think it’s a worried about fans thing, but an artist-thing. She doesn’t want to and as wish has written she’s been through a lot in the last couple of years and she needs time to process all that for herself. I just wish her PR team didn’t exploit this touring point. A lot of artists don’t tour often or at all. It’s not something they speak about and triggers fans because it paints us as weirdos for working our asses off to watch an artist we enjoy in the touring setting they had planned themselves (stadiums, huge festivals, many dates, many locations, etc) I don't think it's necessarily her PR team, it's what the outlets are gravitating towards and promoting. I mean, look at the original post. PopCrave didn't post any other clips besides that one. I like to think people making it a bigger deal turns her off to being open-minded to the idea.
Khal Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 Considering touring is allegedly where there's the most money to be made, I kinda admire her stance, as she's basically standing her ground and shutting off a potential revenue stream. She could half-ass it (like certain artists) and cash out, knowing she'd still mostly sell-out the venues.
Jooj Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 Touring is more of a celebrity boost than an artistic expression, lbr. The reason why some people think its weird Miley doesnt tour is because shes a mainstream popstar. There are tons of artists who dont tour for several reasons and thats completely normal. Doesnt mean she wont ever perform live anyways. 1
WheresJay Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 39 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said: lol i love ms cyrus, but celebrities are so self-absorbed. yeah people don’t understand how hard touring is but you also don’t understand what’s a 9 to 5 with no rest and recovery ever lol save it and just don’t tour and drop your songs What does that have to do with anything. She's built a life where she has the agency to rest, the life we should all have, and you're mad at her for it? 5
Walk_Away21 Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, wish said: It's disappointing as stans but we need to view the situation with a BIT of empathy jksdkj She's recently sober, just got over a divorce, major family drama... clearly she's focused on her personal life rn and maybe she wants to build more of a stable foundation at home so that she can handle fame & touring in a more healthy way. I really don't think she hates touring, she's just not ready right now Don't bother with the preteend ATRLers. They are clueless lol.
liquiddiamonds Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, WheresJay said: What does that have to do with anything. She's built a life where she has the agency to rest, the life we should all have, and you're mad at her for it? Because the later argument is basically an entertainer complaining about people watching them. It’s like doctors complaining about blood. Data analysts complaining about coding. Journalists complaining about writing. Any job needs preparation. Any job needs recovery time and she always had full agency to build a tour around that. No one ever forced her to tour in the way she did. Just excuses and I can like her and call her bluff out 1 1
Keeandga Posted August 27, 2023 Posted August 27, 2023 She’s in a position where she can make these kinds of decisions and it’s sad for the fans but completely understandable from her POV. 1
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