news Gretchen Whitmer to push for paid family and medical leave in MI this fall

[Bears01]

https://x.com/craigdmauger/status/1695027722945204698?s=46&t=F2Kqdy7aScoPGAKFHNr8dQ

[LustSpell]

She's doing everything right in Michigan with her Dem trifecta omg. I would be so happy if she ran in 2028 or something to become the first female President. I'd support her all the way.

Edited August 26, 2023 by LustSpell

[jakeisphat]

I hope she succeeds, but she's definitely making moves to run for the white house in 2028... It's going to be the blue insurance heiress vs. the blue prosecutor vs. the blue poorly experienced mayor/transportation secretary. 

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

I hope she succeeds, but she's definitely making moves to run for the white house in 2028... It's going to be the blue insurance heiress vs. the blue prosecutor vs. the blue poorly experienced mayor/transportation secretary. 

Her family background is concerning….but her policies as governor have been great. To deny that would be insane. Perfect? Nooo she’s got flaws. But she’s governed exactly how a flawed, but good politician should 

[Ryan]

My future president!

 

5 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

I hope she succeeds, but she's definitely making moves to run for the white house in 2028... It's going to be the blue insurance heiress vs. the blue prosecutor vs. the blue poorly experienced mayor/transportation secretary. 

chile ain’t no one voting for Mayor Baguette. 

[Beyonnaise]

She’s not perfect by any stretch but I’d much rather her on the ballot next year over Biden or Kamala or Pete

[jakeisphat]

1 minute ago, Bears01 said:

Her family background is concerning….but her policies as governor have been great. To deny that would be insane. Perfect? Nooo she’s got flaws. But she’s governed exactly how a flawed, but good politician should 

Lmao, I'm not saying she's been a bad governor. I'm just identifying these hopefuls for what the media is going to label them as...

 

Just now, Ryan said:

My future president!

 

chile ain’t no one voting for Mayor Baguette. 

Good, because he ain't ****. 

[Bears01]

3 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

She’s not perfect by any stretch but I’d much rather her on the ballot next year over Biden or Kamala or Pete

I would not vote for Kamala or Pete. I don’t even know if I’ll vote for Biden (I live in a red state and might just vote downballot because I live in a battleground district). 
 

Id have no problem at all voting for her, but she’s obviously aiming for 2028 

[Vroom Vroom]

17 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

I hope she succeeds, but she's definitely making moves to run for the white house in 2028... It's going to be the blue insurance heiress vs. the blue prosecutor vs. the blue poorly experienced mayor/transportation secretary. 

The blue prosecutor? Do you mean Fani Willis? 
Pete is not running again anytime soon. He’ll probably run for governor of Michigan once Whitmer is out 

[jakeisphat]

2 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said:

The blue prosecutor? Do you mean Fani Willis? 
Pete is not running again anytime soon. He’ll probably run for governor of Michigan once Whitmer is out 

No - I mean Kamala. All the media outlets refer to her as "the former prosecutor" - that word defines her even more than the title of vice president. 

[wastedpotential]

Yeah, she's making good moves, and is making Michigan one of the more habitable states in the country 

[Sergi91]

I would vote for her in 2028! 

[G.U.Y_Del_Rey]

Why did I first read the name as Gretchen Wieners 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, LustSpell said:

She's doing everything right in Michigan with her Dem trifecta omg. I would be so happy if she ran in 2028 or something to become the first female President. I'd support her all the way.

People like Gretchen don't work nationally because she, like most Dems, are calculated and convoluted.

 

They only know how to triangulate to form policy positions, and thus don't have an actual strategy in how to present their positions to a national stage. The idea is to literally form the policy positions once there. Before she ran for president, Kamala Harris was hailed as the next face of modern progressivism. She would go on to giggle on stage and back out of supporting Medicare For All, saying she thought the question was if she'd give up *her* insurance.

 

This is what happened to every 2020 candidate in the Dem primaries who wasn't Biden (the trusted moderate)or Bernie (the committed socialist). Each pitched as "more Bernie than Bernie" than pivoted to "Bernie is crazy!". Even Amy "the OG Top Cop" Klobuchar got a week of media press framing her as a Midwestern progressive icon to only end up crying on the debate stage that she'd beat the **** out of Liz Warren if she suggested one more time that not supporting poor people having healthcare made you a bad person.

 

Americans themselves aren't ideologues, but like their politicians to be ideologues because it plays into values like being trustworthy. Hillary, for example, never recovered from saying you must have a public and a private position.

 

The insurance heiress is going to get bad junk polling from a gaggle of DC consultants and say something like legal weed should be up to the states or that we need to get tough on the border and bomb out a media cycle in.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Communion

[Bears01]

37 minutes ago, Communion said:

People like Gretchen don't work nationally because she, like most Dems, are calculated and convoluted.

 

They only know how to triangulate to form policy positions, and thus don't have an actual strategy in how to present their positions to a national stage. The idea is to literally form the policy positions once there. Before she ran for president, Kamala Harris was hailed as the next face of modern progressivism. She would go on to giggle on stage and back out of supporting Medicare For All, saying she thought the question was if she'd give up *her* insurance.

 

This is what happened to every 2020 candidate in the Dem primaries who wasn't Biden (the trusted moderate)or Bernie (the committed socialist). Each pitched as "more Bernie than Bernie" than pivoted to "Bernie is crazy!". Even Amy "the OG Top Cop" Klobuchar got a week of media press framing her as a Midwestern progressive icon to only end up crying on the debate stage that she'd beat the **** out of Liz Warren if she suggested one more time that not supporting poor people having healthcare made you a bad person.

 

Americans themselves aren't ideologues, but like their politicians to be ideologues because it plays into values like being trustworthy. Hillary, for example, never recovered from saying you must have a public and a private position.

 

The insurance heiress is going to get bad junk polling from a gaggle of DC consultants and say something like legal weed should be up to the states or that we need to get tough on the border and bomb out a media cycle in.

Results>>talk. That’s what is different from Whitmer and many of those you mentioned. The thing about being a governor is you have a track record to stand on for policy you accomplished for your constituents, unlike everyone in the senate who mostly grandstands and can just say “I tried to accomplish this bill! I even supported it!”

 

Michigan is one of the 10 biggest states in the country. Their kids getting free lunch in schools, right to work being repealed, (possibly) paid medical leave, red flag laws, teachers getting raises, LGBTQ protections are all good policies that benefit their citizens, and it’s good for working class people. 
 

FDR (and no, I’m not comparing her to FDR) came from an elitist background, but still accomplished landmark legislation that set the path for the American middle class for generations. Results>

Edited August 26, 2023 by Bears01

[Miss Show Business]

An amazing accomplishment this would be if she could get this done So many results in such little time, her track record is hard to argue with. But I'd argue the above aforementioned candidates could and would deliver the same results if they had a trifecta - but I do agree Whitmer is a very strong presidential candidate.

[midnightdawn]

She should be the 2024 nominee.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

Results>>talk.

This could be a point, because someone like, say, a governor has more direct experience with a state to claim direct responsibility for said state's victories. Maybe we've been just misguided by the popularity of the idea of using being a senator or member of Congress to launch a president campaign:

• Vice President: Joe Biden (+Senator), Al Gore (+Senator)
• WH Administration: Hillary Clinton (+Senator), Julian Castro
• Senators: Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Mike Gravel, Jim Webb, Barack Obama, Evan Bayh, Chris Dodd, John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Carol Moseley Braun, Bob Graham, Bill Bradley, Paul Tsongas, Bob Kerrey, Tom Harkin, Eugene McCarthy
• Representatives: John Delany, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Sestak, Beto O'Rourke, Tim Ryan, Seth Moulton, Eric Swalwell, Dennis Kucinich, Dick Gephardt
• Mayors: Michael Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, Wayne Messam, Bill de Blasio, Larry Agran
• Non-Politicians: Tom Steyer, Andrew Yang, Marianne Williamson, Lawrence Lessig, Al Sharpton, Lyndon LaRouche

This issue is though that I don't think most Americans can recognize the following people:

       

....despite them all being governors who have ran for president within the last 30 years.

 

The next most-known governor who's ran for POTUS is Howard Dean, known for a candidacy-killing faux pas, which then means the last time governors were relevant to president primaries was in 1992 with Bill Clinton & Jerry Brown over 30 years ago.

 

The issue is also simply that there's no reason to believe Gretchen Whitmer believes in progressive policy. The assumption of success in imagining her running for POTUS is dependent on the idea of "no, she wouldn't triangulate! she's a real progressive! I just know it!". But again.. there's no evidence to that claim.

 

That's literally what was said of Kamala in 2018. She was a celebrity senator supporting progressive policy. But because she was fundamentally a liberal establishment Democrat, and thus didn't believe in those things as a person but because they seemed politically viable. She then did not highlight such as her policy record come debates.

 

There's little evidence that Whitmer would do any different from any other establishment female politician from a progressive Midwestern state a la Amy Klobuchar. 

Edit - Wait, no, she's 100% just the female Martin O'Malley.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Communion

[Espresso]

It may well be Gretchen doesn't believe in progressive policy.

 

But I don't need to remind anyone here how dire our presidential bench situation is, progressive or moderate.

 

Progressives themselves have much more dire situations to work through starting with Congress and Pramila Jayapal, among others.

 

While I'm over and not touching the subject already beat to death here of scaring folks into voting and I recognize non-voting or third ticket progressives are tired of the Overton Window not moving left, I'm focused on the work (or lack thereof) into making sure it doesn't turn further right.

 

Now if staying in that same rut (see: Ohio Model for Purging Progressives) is part of the problem, and it's getting too hard to find candidates to get enough grassroots support to overcome it, I'm at a loss.

 

Which then gets into national candidates that can unite disparate coalitions.

 

Pete's DOA, Warren's DOA, AOC's DOA. Booker's Spartacus, Snow Globe is the scolding librarian. Anyone got any ideas in terms of personality which unfortunately matters at the moment at the same level as policy (if not more according to MSM) then I'm all ears.

[Sannie]

What are these think pieces? Gretchen has been amazing for Michigan and has helped pass a bevy of progressive, working-class-benefiting pieces of legislation. She is doing phenomenal as a governor.