discussion Trans Jan 6 rioter is begging Marjorie Taylor Greene to get her into a women’s prison

[dumbsparce]

She should go to a women's prison, that goes without saying.

 

What I'm more curious about is how liberal twitter heroes are going to handle this case. Are they gonna rally for someone who has the opposite political views or are they gonna let our trans sister be blatantly discriminated against thus further proving what I assume to be her viewpoints?

[simplywohoo]

1 hour ago, Tropez said:

Funny how you’re okay with trans rights as long as they agree with your politics. If they don’t you just revert right back. She should be in a woman’s prison. I don’t get how that is an issue for you. 

That user never said that.

I can fully understand when someone's opinion is that she should be in a women's prison, but i also understand when they choose not to fight for it. That's a battle she can fight on her own.

[PoisonPill]

It should be allowed for inmates who are fully medically transitioned, otherwise they should be incarcerated by their biological sex. 

[Bloodflowers.]

In which state would she get locked up?

[Bethenny Frankel]

lets hope she rots in a women's prison

[Bloo]

13 hours ago, PoisonPill said:

It should be allowed for inmates who are fully medically transitioned, otherwise they should be incarcerated by their biological sex. 

What does “fully medically transitioned” mean? Bottom surgery? So, a trans man that has foregone bottom surgery (which is extremely common) that looks like this should go to a women’s prison?

 

 

A lot of these thresholds for qualifying who is trans enough are usually flimsy at best. Further, no one ever mentions a concern about preventing sexual abuse in prisons until we’re discussing trans people. There is an entire genre of rape jokes about how men can’t bend over to pick up soap in the shower in prison.

[PoisonPill]

13 hours ago, Bloo said:

What does “fully medically transitioned” mean? Bottom surgery? So, a trans man that has foregone bottom surgery (which is extremely common) that looks like this should go to a women’s prison?

 

 

A lot of these thresholds for qualifying who is trans enough are usually flimsy at best. Further, no one ever mentions a concern about preventing sexual abuse in prisons until we’re discussing trans people. There is an entire genre of rape jokes about how men can’t bend over to pick up soap in the shower in prison.

Yes, that individual (as someone with female sex organs) would be much safer in a women’s facility. Normally I would be fine with someone being grouped based on the gender they feel. But this is prison, it’s not summer camp, there needs to be a single standard. And yes, some inmates may be in conditions that are uncomfortable to them, that’s one of the downsides of going to prison.

Edited August 25, 2023 by PoisonPill

[Sannie]

I hate **** like this because it really challenges my progressive views lol. At the end of the day, she deserves to be in a womens' prison even though she probably is one of those trans women who says other trans female criminals deserve to be in a man's prison. The irony is, she is going to get this kind of support from liberals and not conservatives, because at the end of the day, she is nothing but a pawn for the transphobic right.

 

This is the definition of "but I said all the right things, why do you not like me?"

 

25 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

Yes, that individual (as someone with female sex organs) would be much safer in a women’s facility. Normally I would be fine with someone being grouped based on the gender they feel. But this is prison, it’s not summer camp, there needs to be a single standard. And yes, some inmates may be in conditions that are uncomfortable to them, that’s one of the downsides of going to prison.

I understand where you are coming from, and I do not think many people are thinking this through. What is more important: the inmate's physical safety or their mental safety? Unfortunately I do not think both can be taken into account. Physically, the moment a trans man without bottom surgery steps into the prison shower, their trans identity will be showcased and some really, really horrible things will ensue. Do you instead put the trans man into solitary confinement to keep them safe, thusly severely affecting their mental health? Some prisons have LGBT sections only for LGBT inmates... but considering a lot of LGB people are transphobic too, would a trans man be still be safe?

 

Or do you put them in a female prison where maybe they will be safer, but there is still no way of guaranteeing that. A trans man like this "passes" so will females in the prison be uncomfortable? Is the logic here "****** = safer in a female prison"? I do not buy that because women in prison can be just as violent.

 

The truth is, trans women are much safer in a female prison, but a trans man... well, they are ****** every which way. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Sannie

[Aethereal]

On 8/25/2023 at 1:26 AM, Bloo said:

What does “fully medically transitioned” mean? Bottom surgery? So, a trans man that has foregone bottom surgery (which is extremely common) that looks like this should go to a women’s prison?

 

 

A lot of these thresholds for qualifying who is trans enough are usually flimsy at best. Further, no one ever mentions a concern about preventing sexual abuse in prisons until we’re discussing trans people. There is an entire genre of rape jokes about how men can’t bend over to pick up soap in the shower in prison.

Trans men actually go to women's prisons too from what I've heard

[Communion]

On 8/25/2023 at 8:56 AM, PoisonPill said:

Yes, that individual (as someone with female sex organs) would be much safer in a women’s facility. Normally I would be fine with someone being grouped based on the gender they feel. But this is prison, it’s not summer camp, there needs to be a single standard. And yes, some inmates may be in conditions that are uncomfortable to them, that’s one of the downsides of going to prison.

I'm genuinely confused - how many prisoners do some of you think are in prison for violent crime, let alone sexually violent crime, and that thus you think prisons are inherently unsafe? Prisons are bad because they violate specific rights, but how often do you think rape occurs? Studies oddly enough show sexual assault for inmate-on-inmate to be higher in women's prisons and that a man in prison is more likely to be victim of sexual assault due to officer-on-inmate violence than inmate-on-inmate violence.

 

Let alone - if you believe sexual assault is so prevalent in the first place, why is then the discussion not about ending the harsh criminalization of non-violent crime? In some states, why is someone who stole $500 worth of clothing from a store locked up in the same facility as someone who has committed a sexually heinous crime? 

[Badger]

She’s in for a very rude awakening

[SwiftLover]

Seems like republican values to me 

 

not her being shocked