Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Eglė said: This is a horribly stupid take. A white activist criticizing another white activist, a white activist out-woking another white activist. Human rights are a global issue, point blank period. Feeding into the idea of staying away simply because it's not "our culture" per se is DUMB. Good for Healy for being vocal about it and expressing his distress instead of simply taking a check. What about Bey's performance in Dubai? Next. Im sorry but its the stupidity of Gen Z for me. You see performative activism and cheer and are happy, yet fail to understand its all for media. Just like Taylor released Calm Down after never even having acknowledged LGBTQ before. Just like she became a feminist AFTER it became popular to "out yourself as such". But yay, good for her. News flash: All celebs are capitalists. They love a money. Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does not affect anyone. Shes been booked and got good money, its not like that Action changes the course of anything. Her and Jay building homes for African Americans, her having scholarships for African Americans, her and Jay bailing out protesters of BLM who got jailed, THAT changes things. But of course your fanbase who is so focussed on sucking up their favs every staged and performed move would fail to realize that. Your fav who btw has no idea what loyalty means cause she changes her affiliations and relationships like other people change their undies, depending on whats benefecial for her at the time. Your fav, who immediately ditched her boyfriend cause shes afraid of backlash. No backbone, no loyalty, no honesty. Thats your fav. But go awf sis. Edited August 15, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa 8 5
ugo Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Im sorry but its the stupidity of Gen Z for me. You see performative activism and cheer and are happy, yet fail to understand its all for media. Just like Taylor released Calm Down after never even having acknowledged LGBTQ before. Just like she became a feminist AFTER it became popular to "out yourself as such". But yay, good for her. News flash: All celebs are capitalists. They love a money. Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does not affect anyone. Shes been booked and got good money, its not like that Action changes the course of anything. Her and Jay building homes for African Americans, her having scholarships for African Americans, her and Jay bailing out protesters of BLM who got jailed, THAT changes things. But of course your fanbase who is so focussed on sucking up their favs every staged and performed move would fail to realize that. Your fav who btw has no idea what loyalty means cause she changes her affiliations and relationships like other people change their undies, depending on whats benefecial for her at the time. Your fav, who immediately ditched her boyfriend cause shes afraid of backlash. No backbone, no loyalty, no honesty. Thats your fav. But go awf sis. so loyalty makes it ok to defend anyone ? 2
Eglė Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Im sorry but its the stupidity of Gen Z for me. You see performative activism and cheer and are happy, yet fail to understand its all for media. Just like Taylor released Calm Down after never even having acknowledged LGBTQ before. Just like she became a feminist AFTER it became popular to "out yourself as such". But yay, good for her. News flash: All celebs are capitalists. They love a money. Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does not affect anyone. Shes been booked and got good money, its not like that Action changes the course of anything. Her and Jay building homes for African Americans, her having scholarships for African Americans, her and Jay bailing out protesters of BLM who got jailed, THAT changes things. But of course your fanbase who is so focussed on sucking up their favs every staged and performed move would fail to realize that. Your fav who btw has no idea what loyalty means cause she changes her affiliations and relationships like other people change their undies, depending on whats benefecial for her at the same time. Your fav, who immediately ditched her boyfriend cause shes afraid of backlash. No backbone, no loyalty, no honesty. Thats your fav. But go awf sis. This selectivity is truly scary and a bit alarming, hence I don't see the point to delve deeper into the topic with you as you see this only as a stan war. Let me simply say that you cannot categorize certain acts of activism as the right way to fight for human rights while dismissing other forms of activism. Going by your logic, Renaissance in itself is merely a publicity stunt and a cash-grab, as opposed to a celebration of black queer culture, simply because it's wrapped in a bow and delivered in a form of an album. See my point? Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does have an effect. Instead of being vocal about the legislation there, meeting local activists, or doing something -- anything! -- about it, she decided to collect a check and keep it hush-hush. Bit hypocritical of her to release an album that celebrates the queer culture and then go collect a check from a homophobic country and contribute to their economy without even saying a word. So good for Healy. Whether it is performative or not -- he did something and was vocal about the legislation there. His actions brought the attention of many NGOs to the issue and sparked a conversation. Beyonce when? Edited August 15, 2023 by Eglė 9 3
Komet Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Shes been booked and got good money, its not like that Action changes the course of anything. Lol, she was there as a propaganda tool of the ruling family to help whitewash the country's reputation. Giving them legitimacy despite all the abhorrent policies they implement is certainly not not changing anything, esp. since it came only months after releasing a record that allegedly celebrates LGBT culture. Why tf did she need that money, were her bills due, the electricity about to be turned off? Ivy didn't have any clothes to wear or something? They say actions speak louder than words and she's definitely been speaking her mind recently, but hey feel free to bury your head in the sand 3 1 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Eglė said: This selectivity is truly scary and a bit alarming, hence I don't see the point to delve deeper into the topic with you as you see this only as a stan war. Let me simply say that you cannot categorize certain acts of activism as the right way to fight for human rights while dismissing other forms of activism. Going by your logic, Renaissance in itself is merely a publicity stunt and a cash-grab, as opposed to a celebration of black queer culture, simply because it's wrapped in a bow and delivered in a form of an album. See my point? Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does have an effect. Instead of being vocal about the legislation there, meeting local activists, or doing something -- anything! -- about it, she decided to collect a check and keep it hush-hush. Bit hypocritical of her to release an album that celebrates the queer culture and then go collect a check from a homophobic country and contribute to their economy without even saying a word. So good for Healy. Whether it is performative or not -- he did something and was vocal about the legislation there. His actions brought the attention of many NGOs to the issue and sparked a conversation. Beyonce when? Shes not a politician though, shes a singer first and foremost. Her using her art to uplift communities and doing so in taste (by collaborating with people within the community) is what it's about. Shes expressed her stance on LGBTQ issues multiple times. Are gays travelling to Dubai now horrible people as well? Should they all be condemned? You could also see her appearance in Dubai as activism - a deeply sexual, female pro LGBTQ artist like her in Dubai: Thats ACTIVISM in itself. ;) Edited August 15, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa 1
Eglė Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, Kristie Kuwa said: You could also see her appearance in Dubai as activism - a deeply sexual, pro LGBTQ artist like her in Dubai: Thats ACTIVISM in itself. ;) 8
Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 One thing the clearly white twinks on this site fail to realize is that Bey is not going to ditch her loyalty towards her black peers because of Media backlash. She knows exactly how biased Media is, especially towards black artists. They usually wait like vultures for black artists downfall while letting horrible things white people do side. So her standing up for Lizzo who.she personally knows doesnt come as a surprise 2 2 2
Steve Johnson Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, rihannafan said: Now why would she get herself involved Because she loves Lizzo
vale9001 Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Im sorry but its the stupidity of Gen Z for me. You see performative activism and cheer and are happy, yet fail to understand its all for media. Just like Taylor released Calm Down after never even having acknowledged LGBTQ before. Just like she became a feminist AFTER it became popular to "out yourself as such". But yay, good for her. News flash: All celebs are capitalists. They love a money. Beyonce performing at a private event in Dubai does not affect anyone. Shes been booked and got good money, its not like that Action changes the course of anything. Her and Jay building homes for African Americans, her having scholarships for African Americans, her and Jay bailing out protesters of BLM who got jailed, THAT changes things. But of course your fanbase who is so focussed on sucking up their favs every staged and performed move would fail to realize that. Your fav who btw has no idea what loyalty means cause she changes her affiliations and relationships like other people change their undies, depending on whats benefecial for her at the time. Your fav, who immediately ditched her boyfriend cause shes afraid of backlash. No backbone, no loyalty, no honesty. Thats your fav. But go awf sis. it's impossible to you to not put Taylor on everything so sorry but i'm gonna say what everyone knows...in 2008 in an interview with Piers Morgan Beyoncè said "i don't wanna be seen as a black artist, just an artist". It was when she tried to be popular on white countries but making a lot of pop music more appealing than whites than pure r'n'b. In 2013 after her last projects were flops and the growingg up of very political black pop music, and the impact on critics, awards and pop cultire of the last project of artists like kanye west, kendrick lamar and Frank ocean she rebranded herself as the black panther of pop music. So basically watch your own home and gives us a rest Edited August 15, 2023 by vale9001 7 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vale9001 said: it's impossible to you to not put Taylor on everything so sorry but i'm gonna say what everyone knows...in 2009 in an interview with Piers Morgan said "i'm don't wanna be seen as a black artist, just an artist". It was when she tried to be popular on white countries but making a lot of pop music more appealing than whites than pure r'n'b. In 2013 after her last projects were flops and the growingg up of very political black pop music, and the impact on critics, awards and pop cultire of the last project of artists like kanye west, kendrick lamar and Frank ocean she rebranded herself as the black panther of pop music. So basically watch your own home and gives us a rest How about the horrible incidents happening to innocent black people in her home country after 2009 made her realize that taking a stance on this matter is important?? Hence the BLM came into fruition during that particular moment in time No clue of context just to spew bs Edited August 15, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa
SharonStone Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 Beyonce has always been problematic. Just see who she chooses to surround herself with (and marry)! The only reason she gets a pass is cause the media is afraid to call her out since the race card will be used against them. 2 1 6
Frozen99 Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 now what has this thread turned into, why are y'all discussing the nazis and taylor... anyway, i bet bey is just supporting her friend. if i'm not mistaken, no one was proven guilty yet, ppl just love to jump on conclusions.
ugo Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: How about the horrible incidents happening to innocent black people in her home country after 2009 made her realize that taking a stance on this matter is important?? Hence the BLM came into fruition during that particular moment in time No clue of context just to spew bs or like you said yourself maybe it's just performative activism 2 1
Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, ugo said: or like you said yourself maybe it's just performative activism Sure, a mother of Black children now performs her activism towards Black culture. I know you're trying to be shady because my post actually had truth to it, but can you at least try to make sense
ugo Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Sure, a mother of Black children now performs her activism towards Black culture. I know you're trying to be shady because my post actually had truth to it, but can you at least try to make sense your post made no sense like you were criticising other celebrities activism yet praising Beyoncé activism also praising her for performing in a homophobic country and criticising someone calling out homophobia 3
Kristie Kuwa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ugo said: your post made no sense like you were criticising other celebrities activism yet praising Beyoncé activism also praising her for performing in a homophobic country and criticising someone calling out homophobia I didnt praise, I merely gave a perspective that is as viable as the faux outrage towards her performing at a private event Also no need to divert from teh fact you consciously downplay the effect of the deaths of innocent kids like Treyvon on black US Americans. That was nasty tbh Edited August 15, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa 1
AvadaKedavra Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) Im sorry but if you defend lizzo and all the horrible things she did to all those individuals at this point youre goin to the seven circle of hell After so many so many testimonies the evidence is undeniable at this point. This is not only bad work conditions.....We are talkin about sexual harrasment too. Dont forget guys. Dont forget the imbalance of power of a powerful celeb like lizzo and a workers in the industry. Theyre riskin their careers. So brave of them Hope they win and she has to pay them all. Highly dissapointed with Beyonce. Hope they boo her in the next concert in the lizzo part, So shes aware and learns her lesson. As much as i love her....Maybe i will not support this new album from hers.......go back to the Gift-Everythig is Love numbers darling. Edited August 15, 2023 by AvadaKedavra
Axelios Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 This not a good look for her but not surprising given her support of Travis Scott, her performing in Dubai and for Gaddafi son... I hope the dancers don't get harassed by her fans. 2 3
Nashe Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 Not ppl taking this as support for Lizzo can't she just sas ILY Lizzo after Lizzo's been a huge supporter of Bey for decades?
Lovett Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 52 minutes ago, SharonStone said: Beyonce has always been problematic. Just see who she chooses to surround herself with (and marry)! The only reason she gets a pass is cause the media is afraid to call her out since the race card will be used against them. The fact that you, a person who runs a racist Beyoncé hate account on Twitter, is referring to the 'race card' is so ridiculously disingenuous it's laughable. 6 1
By the Water Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 I mean, she just collabed with Travis Scott and she has a white woman that said the n-word onstage every night. Her fans love holding other people accountable. If only they kept the same energy for their fave 7 7
Erreur2 La Nature Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) And this is exactly why her team never allows her to speak in public. What a curious thing to say and a curious timing. She could have called that Lizzo on the phone but she randomly decided to support her despite the extremely serious allegations made against her in the past days. Edited August 15, 2023 by Erreur2 La Nature 1
newaespa Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 Feeling sad for the victims of Travis Scott and Lizzo, where we have a supposedly role-model to many, Queen Beyonce, to acknowledge those problematic people 2
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted August 15, 2023 Posted August 15, 2023 I feel like she did that only to make up for the last time she was on the news for neglecting Lizzo's name out of the performance. I also think she did say that she loves Lizzo on stage without her team's advice. The best thìng to do now just like the other member said, just be neutral and call Lizzo's name once just like how it has always been done before, no more no less. 7 hours ago, Cloröx said: I guess Lana is right, Bey is indeed next in line But why are people mentioning Lana tho? Did Lana just say sth about Bey?
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