poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[airplane]

1 minute ago, The Music Industry said:

It's almost as if we keep telling you that certifications are outdated and only present in a fraction of the world...? 

It was established in a comment earlier that when you breakdown folklore using its single sales+ pure album sales+ strihms, it does not translate to 11M units…

 

regions where certifications do exist, anti remains bigger. most of those certifications update automatically as well.

[airplane]

3 minutes ago, Klein said:

15% of The Eras Tour is dedicated to touring folklore. You can take 15% of The Eras Tour's success and compare it to ANTI world tour. 

Taylor has always been the bigger touring artist but Taylor has a dozen albums out and the tour is basically a compilation of ALL OF HER ALBUMS so no.. dumb comparison 

Edited July 28, 2023 by airplane

[Katamari]

why does this have 21 pages omfg

[istan4badgalriri]

16 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

 that's..... a whole lotta effort for nothing. You're comparing chart runs from 2016/17 in countries that didn't count streaming back in the day and were still pure sales charts, even though streaming was already eating up pure sales (Australia, Austria, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain etc. etc.) to... chart runs from 2020-present aka when every country's had streaming included in their album charts.

 

and the 7 years vs 3 years excuse doesn't work here considering y'all claimed Folklore was already bigger than Anti. But the reality is that there isn't a single country with automatic certifications where Folklore beats Anti. Fact is Anti would still be ahead of Folklore if every country in the world updated the certifications of both albums tonight and it is what it is.

 

[elincomprendid]

28 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

You had no need to end them so hardly 

 

Anyways the main thing you can see out of this excellent breakdown is that ANTI was only a big era in US, for some reason it tanked WW compared to her other albums like how can she goes from insane runs in UK to a #7 peaking album? 💀

 

But in the US is her (only) staple album (which is still ended by folklore but well)

[Klein]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

It was established in a comment earlier that when you breakdown folklore using its single sales+ pure album sales+ strihms, it does not translate to 11M units…

 

regions where certifications do exist, anti remains bigger. most of those certifications update automatically as well.

Pure sales + single sales + Youtube + Spotify is already at 8.2M. Add all the other streaming services and the 11M is nothing surprising. 

[Raspberries]

2 minutes ago, airplane said:

Taylor has always been the bigger touring artist but Taylor has a dozen albums out and the tour is basically a compilation of ALL OF HER ALBUMS so no.. dumb comparison 

Eras Tour outgrossed ANTI tour in like 7 shows  Wrdgaf

[airplane]

34 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

Talking about ANTI being OUT and benefiting from being released in January 😂😂😂 I’m sorry i had to read that bullshit

 

Do you realise that Taylor has released like 8 albums since 2016 and Rihanna has released ZERO since ANTI?? Of course folklore is currently charting and placing higher on year end lists

Edited July 28, 2023 by airplane

[Raspberries]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

 that's..... a whole lotta effort for nothing. You're comparing chart runs from 2016/17 in countries that didn't count streaming back in the day and were still pure sales charts, even though streaming was already eating up pure sales (Australia, Austria, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain etc. etc.) to... chart runs from 2020-present aka when every country's had streaming included in their album charts.

 

and the 7 years vs 3 years excuse doesn't work here considering y'all claimed Folklore was already bigger than Anti. But the reality is that there isn't a single country with automatic certifications where Folklore beats Anti. Fact is Anti would still be ahead of Folklore if every country in the world updated the certifications of both albums tonight and it is what it is.

 

You got destroyed by multiple people in this thread and been the laughing stock since you buckled down with your certifications argument   give it up girl

[Raspberries]

Just now, airplane said:

Talking about ANTI being out and benefiting from being released in January 😂😂😂 I’m sorry i had to read that bullshit

 

Do you realise that Taylor has released like 8 albums since 2016 and Rihanna has released ZERO since ANTI?? Of course folklore is currently charting and placing higher on year end lists

Rihanna just released a heavily payola'd comeback single attached to a massive Marvel movie and it was a huge failure  We don't care how many albums Taylor released since ANTI (that are almost all bigger than ANTI)

[Katamari]

34 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

oh my  

[elincomprendid]

14 minutes ago, Love Again said:

I won't leave this thread alone until Swifties sign a document where they agree Music is bigger than folklore. I want them on the record saying it because it's a factual truth and I can't sleep at night before they admit to it. So we're gonna be here for a while!

I’m so sorry you won’t be able to sleep soon, hope you get that fixed soon!

[Klein]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Talking about ANTI being out and benefiting from being released in January 😂😂😂 I’m sorry i had to read that bullshit

I mean, yes, being released in January is better for YE placement than being released in July. 

[airplane]

Just now, Raspberries said:

Rihanna just released a heavily payola'd comeback single attached to a massive Marvel movie and it was a huge failure  We don't care how many albums Taylor released since ANTI (that are almost all bigger than ANTI)

Where is Carolina again? What happened to speak now TV which made Taylor switch back her layout? ITS BOMBING 

[Headlock]

The goalposts being flung across the room every which way in here when the last gets taken down 

[istan4badgalriri]

4 minutes ago, Katamari said:

why does this have 21 pages omfg

they didn't think I was gonna bring the receipts so now they're triggered and writing essays in an attempt to prove folklore is somewhat the biggest album 

[By the Water]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Where is Carolina again? What happened to speak now TV which made Taylor switch back her layout? ITS BOMBING 

Can you name a Rihanna album that spent more weeks at #1 than Speak Now TV?

 

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Where is Carolina again? What happened to speak now TV which made Taylor switch back her layout? ITS BOMBING 

Carolina had no music video, no playlisting, was never sent to radio, etc. Stomp Me Down had a massive radio deal, was #1 on TTH, had 10+ versions on YouTube, was discounted, had digital covers etc and still bombed catastrophically

 

Speak Now "bombing" but is already getting close to 1M SPS in the US alone  Still top 5 in multiple major markets as well

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Do you realise that Taylor has released like 8 albums since 2016 and Rihanna has released ZERO since ANTI?? Of course folklore is currently charting and placing higher on year end lists

That didn't seem to help Rihanna in the past. Her albums NEVER got a boost from new releases and used to disappear fast from the charts unlike Taylor whose new albums spark interest in her whole discography. They are not the same.

 

 

 

[airplane]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

they didn't think I was gonna bring the receipts so now they're triggered and writing essays in an attempt to prove folklore is somewhat the biggest album 

 

 

Obliterated in the US and Worldwide, as verified by certifications. They can continue bragging about those chartmasters units which nobody uses apart from them.

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, airplane said:

What happened to speak now TV which made Taylor switch back her layout? ITS BOMBING 

Speak Now TV, a re-recording of a 13 year old album with mid popularity (for Taylor's standard of course), is having a bigger 3rd week than ANTI. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Klein

[airplane]

Just now, By the Water said:

Can you name a Rihanna album that spent more weeks at #1 than Speak Now TV?

 

I’d rather Rihanna have 10 weeks at #10 than having frontloaded bombs

[elincomprendid]

7 minutes ago, airplane said:

Talking about ANTI being OUT and benefiting from being released in January 😂😂😂 I’m sorry i had to read that bullshit

 

Do you realise that Taylor has released like 8 albums since 2016 and Rihanna has released ZERO since ANTI?? Of course folklore is currently charting and placing higher on year end lists

How does the albums that Taylor released in 2017 benefit the album she released in 2020? 💀

 

And even then ANTI should be thankful it has no more Rihanna’s albums to compete with, imagine if Rihanna had an era as successful as midnights after ANTI, its consumption would collapse (like all her albums sans ANTI did)

 

folklore pulling huge numbers years later with multiple BIG projects being released after it is more impressive if anything

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

I’d rather Rihanna have 10 weeks at #10 than having frontloaded bombs

Mind you, Speak Now TV will spend longer on the BB200 than any Rihanna album sans ANTI

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

I’d rather Rihanna have 10 weeks at #10 than having frontloaded bombs

She doesn't have more weeks at #10 either in fact her albums on average always tend to leave the BB200 extremely fast on average compared to Taylor