poll Most successful 8th album: Anti x folklore x Music?

[burninredhot]

4 hours ago, Love Again said:

I get allergic from reading stuff like this, my skin start itching and ****.... like I truly get nauseous. Numbers... the worst thing to ever be introduced to stan culture. Omg I'm getting hives from this... tong swelling. MAMA THIS IS GARBAGE!!

It's not that serious  close this thread and spend some time with your family and friends

[Madonno]

Woooowx Madonna ha impact is unmatched 

 

In the 80s used to be compared to Cindy Lauper and Janet Jackson... OUTLAST THEM

 

In the 90s used to be compared to Mariah Carey and Celine Dion and Whitney Houston... OUTLAST THEM

 

In the 00s used to be compared to Britney and Xtina.... OUTLAST THEM

 

In the 10s used to be compared to Gaga and Katy Perry.... OUTLAST THEM 

 

 

And now she's been compared to Taylor and Rihanna. Obviously she'll outlast them both, like always.

 

Wondering to whom she'll compared next decade. One sthing for sure, Madonna will be always THE STANDARD 

 

 

 

[faithless love]

easily folklore

for the madonna stans in this thread: streaming has lowered consumption for artists indiviually in the short term and folklore is relatively new

for the the rihanna stans: folklore outsold anti globally with 3 years of sales vs 7. it's at least 2× bigger

[faithless love]

17 hours ago, JustLikeHoney said:

It's weird to compare two albums like this. Because streaming has grown by almost 90% since 2016. As a matter of fact there was about 11 million streaming music subscribers in the US during Anti's release. There is currently 90 million subscribers in the US. If Taylor isn't doing 10x's the streaming numbers Anti pulled in 2016, then she's not pulling in the same popularity that Anti was in 2016. 

 

 

you're saying this as if anti sold billions of pure sales. the gp just didnt want to consume anti more

[Axelios]

19 minutes ago, Madonno said:

In the 10s used to be compared to Gaga and Katy Perry.... OUTLAST THEM 

 

 

And now she's been compared to Taylor and Rihanna. Obviously she'll outlast them both, like always.

She was already a legacy act by the end of the 2000s 

She didn't/won't outlast anyone from this list.

[wastedpotential]

32 minutes ago, Madonno said:

And now she's been compared to Taylor and Rihanna. Obviously she'll outlast them both, like always.

 

Wondering to whom she'll compared next decade. One sthing for sure, Madonna will be always THE STANDARD 

 

Not when Taylor is on a crash course to surpass Madonna's total career units by the end of the decade 

 

Lets re-evaluate who outlasts who in a few years 

[prézli]

folklore made 0 noise.

[Digitalism]

It's music

Some of you must have been 9 when folklore was released because otherwhise I don't understand how are you voting for that

Folklore is my fav from the three but I know it was an internet thing with critic support.  I have never heard one song from that album irl. An album with NO hit singles can never be bigger than the others. 

 

 

Music> Anti> Folklore. 

 

 

[JustLikeHoney]

5 hours ago, wowsignal14 said:

and pure sales were much bigger in 2016 than they are now yet anti still sold 1/4 of what folklore did in pure. hang it UP with these streaming growth arguments. because if anything streaming growth over the years benefits catalog albums like anti, and folklore still caught up. simply because it's bigger.

 

next

Actually she was paid for 1.3 million copies that Samsung gave away. So her number were all after a the five away. 

 

Next. 

[JustLikeHoney]

Congrats to the OP on a hit thread. Stans can keep it. I'm just a casual fan of the three. 

[blueberries]

Anti for now

Folklore will surpass it probably

[istan4badgalriri]

7 hours ago, faithless love said:

easily folklore

for the madonna stans in this thread: streaming has lowered consumption for artists indiviually in the short term and folklore is relatively new

for the the rihanna stans: folklore outsold anti globally with 3 years of sales vs 7. it's at least 2× bigger

are there any receipts for this aside from chartmasters.org ?

 

Sales certifications for Anti

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
United States (RIAA)[144]	6× Platinum	6,000,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[251]	4× Platinum	320,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	Platinum	300,000‡
France (SNEP)[159]	2× Platinum	200,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[252]	Gold	100,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[160]	4× Platinum	80,000‡
Australia (ARIA)[248]	Platinum	70,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[254]	Platinum	60,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[255]	4× Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[256]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[253]	Gold	25,000‡
Sweden (GLF)[258]	Gold	20,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[249]	Platinum	15,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[257]	Gold	5,000*

 

Certifications for Folklore

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
United States (RIAA)[366]	2× Platinum	2,000,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[365]	Platinum	300,000‡
Australia (ARIA)[355]	Platinum	70,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[360]	2× Platinum	30,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[359]	Gold	25,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[358]	Platinum	20,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[361]	Platinum	20,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[364]	Gold	20,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[357]	Gold	10,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[362]	Gold	10,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[356]	Gold	7,500‡
Singapore (RIAS)[363]	Gold	5,000*

[WildHeart]

The way some Rihanna fans are fighting against the idea of Folklore being bigger like their lives depends on it (outdated certifications and all) because they know Folklore being bigger than Anti means that Taylor ended up with 8 albums bigger than Anti 

[wastedpotential]

8 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

The way some Rihanna fans are fighting against the idea of Folklore being bigger like their lives depends on it (outdated certifications and all) because they know Folklore being bigger than Anti means that Taylor ended up with 8 albums bigger than Anti 

When you put it like that

 

[The Music Industry]

52 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

are there any receipts for this aside from chartmasters.org ?

 

Sales certifications for Anti

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
United States (RIAA)[144]	6× Platinum	6,000,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[251]	4× Platinum	320,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	Platinum	300,000‡
France (SNEP)[159]	2× Platinum	200,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[252]	Gold	100,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[160]	4× Platinum	80,000‡
Australia (ARIA)[248]	Platinum	70,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[254]	Platinum	60,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[255]	4× Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[256]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[253]	Gold	25,000‡
Sweden (GLF)[258]	Gold	20,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[249]	Platinum	15,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[257]	Gold	5,000*

 

Certifications for Folklore

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
United States (RIAA)[366]	2× Platinum	2,000,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[365]	Platinum	300,000‡
Australia (ARIA)[355]	Platinum	70,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[360]	2× Platinum	30,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[359]	Gold	25,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[358]	Platinum	20,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[361]	Platinum	20,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[364]	Gold	20,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[357]	Gold	10,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[362]	Gold	10,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[356]	Gold	7,500‡
Singapore (RIAS)[363]	Gold	5,000*

The way you KNOW folklore has moved more actual units so you desperately cling to outdated certifications despite it being explained to you time and time again why it makes absolutely no sense to do so  

 

I genuinely can't tell if you truly believe yourself or if this is just a way for you to cope with the fact that you're wrong 

 

You better get used to it because the gap between folklore and anti will only get bigger and bigger seeing as how folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti. Mind you, folklore objectively has better longevity than any Rihanna album ever. It's time to just accept reality sis 

[istan4badgalriri]

16 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

The way you KNOW folklore has moved more actual units so you desperately cling to outdated certifications despite it being explained to you time and time again why it makes absolutely no sense to do so  

 

I genuinely can't tell if you truly believe yourself or if this is just a way for you to cope with the fact that you're wrong 

 

You better get used to it because the gap between folklore and anti will only get bigger and bigger seeing as how folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti. Mind you, folklore objectively has better longevity than any Rihanna album ever. It's time to just accept reality sis 

hmm let's see...

 

automatic certs / 100% up-to-date:

 

Denmark: Anti 4x Platinum vs Folklore 1x Platinum  

France: Anti 2x Platinum vs Folklore N/A  

Italy: Anti Gold vs Folklore Gold

New Zealand: Anti 4x Platinum vs Folklore 2x Platinum

UK: Anti 1x Platinum vs Folklore 1x Platinum

 

well.

 

countries where certs are not automatic:

 

Australia: Anti 1x Platinum (June 2022) vs Folklore 1x Platinum (April 2021)

most recently updated: Anti

highest certified: tie

 

Austria: Anti 1x Platinum (April 2017) vs Folklore Gold (July 2023)

most recently updated: Folklore  

highest certified: Anti  

 

Belgium: Anti 2x Platinum (June 2022) vs Folklore Gold (June 2022)

most recently updated: tie  

highest certified: Anti  

 

Canada: Anti 4x Platinum (January 2023) vs Folklore N/A

most recently updated: Anti

highest certified: Anti

 

Germany: Anti Gold (March 2023) vs Folklore N/A

most recently updated: Anti

highest certified: Anti

 

Mexico: Anti 1x Platinum (November 2016) vs Folklore N/A

most recently updated: Anti....7 years ago

highest certified: Anti

 

Norway: Anti N/A vs Folklore Platinum (November 2021)

most recently updated: Folklore

highest certified: Folklore

 

Poland: Anti 3x Platinum (April 2023) vs Folklore Gold (October 2022)

most recently updated: Anti

highest certified: Anti

 

Singapore: Anti Gold (2019) vs Folklore Gold (2021)

most recently updated: Folklore

highest certified: tie

 

Spain: Anti N/A vs Folklore Gold (March 2022)

most recently updated: Folklore

highest certified: Folklore

 

Sweden: Anti Gold (May 2016) vs Folklore N/A

most recently updated: Anti....7 years ago

highest certified: Anti

US: Anti 6x Platinum (June 2023) vs 2x Platinum (October 2022)

most recently updated: Anti

highest certified: Anti

 

so... Australia and maybe Germany are quite literally the only countries where Folklore's current certification should be higher than Anti and isn't  

and Rihanna's label has yet to buy the Norway cert even though Anti is #40 on the decade-end chart there, and spent 80 weeks in the top 40. They also haven't updated Anti's certs in Mexico & Sweden since 2016 and Austria since 2017.

 

I knew y'all was lying lmao

[Haschwalth]

On 7/27/2023 at 6:51 PM, Love Again said:

18 pages discussing folklore sales

18 pages

EIGHTEEEN PAGES.

 

Math obsessed Swifties... I'll never understand them. What's the point of debating stuff like this? Don't give me ''this is ATRL'' nonsense. There is literally no way you need to go THIS in detail length and in depth as to why album A outsold album B. It's ridiculous. It's weird. I get allergic from reading stuff like this, my skin start itching and ****.... like I truly get nauseous. Numbers... the worst thing to ever be introduced to stan culture. Omg I'm getting hives from this... tong swelling. MAMA THIS IS GARBAGE!!

 

You can clearly tell who on this website has a STEM major and who a sociological/cultural/history major. It's insane the lenghts you guys go through. My goodness

help

[Headlock]

On 7/27/2023 at 7:51 AM, Love Again said:

18 pages discussing folklore sales

18 pages

EIGHTEEEN PAGES.

 

Math obsessed Swifties... I'll never understand them. What's the point of debating stuff like this? Don't give me ''this is ATRL'' nonsense. There is literally no way you need to go THIS in detail length and in depth as to why album A outsold album B. It's ridiculous. It's weird. I get allergic from reading stuff like this, my skin start itching and ****.... like I truly get nauseous. Numbers... the worst thing to ever be introduced to stan culture. Omg I'm getting hives from this... tong swelling. MAMA THIS IS GARBAGE!!

 

You can clearly tell who on this website has a STEM major and who a sociological/cultural/history major. It's insane the lenghts you guys go through. My goodness

Mama, this is a meltdown, dear lord log off 

[The Music Industry]

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

automatic certs / 100% up-to-date:

 

Denmark: Anti 4x Platinum vs Folklore 1x Platinum  

France: Anti 2x Platinum vs Folklore N/A  

Italy: Anti Gold vs Folklore Gold

New Zealand: Anti 4x Platinum vs Folklore 2x Platinum

UK: Anti 1x Platinum vs Folklore 1x Platinum

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

New Zealand

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

UK

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Australia

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Austria

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Belgium

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Canada

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Germany

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 32 weeks , and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 66 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Spain

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

5 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

US

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by The Music Industry

[Headlock]

What is even more hilarious about the ~certification~ argument is that there is no consistency across countries for the amount required to reach certification levels. Saying one album was 2x platinum in a country, where that means like 15,000 copies, is not serve you think it is when in other countries that means 2,000,000 copies 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

Now this is a skull dragging 

 

[airplane]

3 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

Nobody reading all of that 😂😂😂

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2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

 Not only are you comparing 7 years of automatic certs vs 3 years, but in a few months max, folklore will be 2x Platinum in the UK (it's already over 500K based on Official Charts data - more than anti in way less time). That new certification alone is bigger than the difference between the 2 in all the outstanding countries you named... Not to mention that Taylor will also eventually overtake New Zealand and even possibly Italy with the tour next year. The only countries out of these where anti has a chance of staying ahead are some of the mainland European ones, which also happen to be Taylor's weakest markets . 

 

Since you want to be selective and stick to a metric that is scarcely updated, only used in a few markets around the globe and that doesn't take into consideration that one album is 3.5 years older, let's actually look at the charts of some of the countries you mentioned as receipt that anti is bigger. 

 

Anti (peaked at #6 ) only charted for 102 weeks in total (regular + catalogue charts), and is currently OUT of the top 30 on the catalogue chart. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) is still charting after 132 weeks (regular + catalogue charts) and is currently #7 on the catalogue chart. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = #17 

Year 2: folklore = #27, Anti = #28

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 66 weeks in total, including only 32 weeks in the top 40. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 3 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, including 96 weeks in the top 40 - it's currently still #18. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #12, Anti = #32 

Year 2: folklore = #38, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #5 ) only charted for 16 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.  

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) is still charting after 157 weeks, and is currently still #11. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #2, Anti = #64 

Year 2: folklore = #20, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #25, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #7 ) only charted for 13 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago. 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 34 weeks, and is currently still #23. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #66, Anti = OUT

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #8 for Flanders, #8 for Wallonia) only charted 14 weeks ( ) and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for Flanders, #3 for Wallonia) has charted for 89 weeks, and is currently still #15. 

 

Year-end charts (Flanders)

Year 1: folklore = #30, Anti = #71 

Year 2: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #49, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 1 week) only charted for 112 weeks, and is currently OUT. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has charted for 156 weeks, and is currently still #17. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #9, Anti = #6* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #14, Anti = #33

Year 3: folklore = #30, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #3) only charted for 8 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #5) has charted for 16 weeks, and is currently still #37. 

 

Year-end charts 

Year 1: folklore = #89, Anti = #75* (*benefitted from being released in January)

(Both didn't make the year-end charts after that)

 

Anti (peaked at #4) only charted for 34 weeks ( ), and has been OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 149 weeks, and is currently still #41. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #52, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #70, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #69, Anti = OUT

 

Anti (peaked at #1 for 2 weeks) has charted 377 weeks, including 140 in the top 100. 

folklore (peaked at #1 for 8 weeks)  has spent its ENTIRE chart run (157 weeks) in the top 100, and is still #10. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #5, Anti = #5* (*benefitted from being released in January)

Year 2: folklore = #12, Anti = #23

Year 3: folklore = #41, Anti = #97

 

Mind you, since you wanted to limit this to countries with certifications, it didn't include countries like... 

 

Portugal

 

Anti (peaked at #11) only charted for 4 weeks ( ). 

folklore (peaked at #2) has charted for 29 weeks. 

 

Year-end charts

Year 1: folklore = #53, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #80, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #85, Anti = OUT

 

Ireland

 

Anti (peaked at #2) only charted for 65 weeks, and has been serving OUT forever ago.

folklore (peaked at #1 for 4 weeks) has been charting for 157 weeks, and is still #9. 

 

Year 1: folklore = #7, Anti = OUT

Year 2: folklore = #18, Anti = OUT

Year 3: folklore = #22 (as of mid-year), Anti = OUT

 

So to recap, in most of the countries you named for North America and Europe (the exceptions being Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France and maybe Italy), folklore is ACTUALLY bigger on the charts despite the outdated certification levels - and will only get bigger seeing as it's still charting in most European countries   Mind you, since you're fixated on certs, Asia was completely erased from this conversation despite being the biggest continent and fastest growing music market on Earth. I think there's no need to tell you which album is bigger there either. We both know which it is

 

Folklore has obviously sold way more in pure sales (the gap will continue to grow - it's a classic for vinyl owners), has charted for more weeks on official charts around the world (the gap will continue to grow, it's charting in 15+ countries whereas Anti is charting in 1), has moved more global units (the gap will continue to grow, it's getting close to 4 times more daily units than anti), will soon have more Spotify streams (folklore is getting close to 4 times more daily streams). So trust me, no one takes you and your botched argument about certs seriously!

 

This is an evisceration dear god  

[The Music Industry]

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Nobody reading all of that 😂😂😂

Then don't

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Just now, airplane said:

Nobody reading all of that 😂😂😂

Thank you for proving their point