Spain Elections: Right-wing parties underperform, no majority coalition in sight

[Communion]

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by Communion

[Chemist]

Catalonia saving the left

[Everyperfectsummer]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuzeJ9FIdm4/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Caroline Polachek stans will save Spain

[nostalgic]

Vox losing seats is always good to see 

[Antisocialites]

VOX bombing, burn the nazis 

[Antisocialites]

it's looking like we will have to vote again 

[Antisocialites]

17 minutes ago, Everyperfectsummer said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuzeJ9FIdm4/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Caroline Polachek stans will save Spain

La Pija y La Quiqui saving PSOE

[Happylittlepunk]

Is it true right wing politics is rising because of the young generation are most conservative? 

[Chemist]

Just now, Happylittlepunk said:

Is it true right wing politics is rising because of the young generation are most conservative? 

No, that's not true

[Antisocialites]

There are barely 200k votes of difference between PP and PSOE yet 14 seats of difference between them. We need some real restructuring of the voting method because it's just insane.

[XAMJ]

19 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Is it true right wing politics is rising because of the young generation are most conservative? 

I think its due to old people coming out in drones since they feel replaceable. gen z is overwhelmingly liberal. 

[Cloudy]

The left hold was really good. I was kind of nervous

 

41 minutes ago, Antisocialites said:

There are barely 200k votes of difference between PP and PSOE yet 14 seats of difference between them. We need some real restructuring of the voting method because it's just insane.

We really do need one because it's getting ridiculous. What is shocking is seeing the independent parties taking big Ls, how are you going to demand with less than 1M votes for referendums and that kind of stuff. I feel like people really moved on and got tired of that nonsense.

 

It was bittersweet to see Yolanda missing the third place by two seats. PSOE and Sumar really need to put in some work into gaining back Andalucía because if they received the results they used to receive they could have easily have won.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Cloudy

[Chemist]

Not ideal but way better than expected

 

[Last Boy on Earth]

48 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Is it true right wing politics is rising because of the young generation are most conservative? 

I saw a study that show the demography that most votes for Vox is men between 18 and 24 year old

[Cloudy]

2 minutes ago, Last Boy on Earth said:

I saw a study that show the demography that most votes for Vox is men between 18 and 24 year old

This doesn't surprise me. There's certainly a big push by young males and it's sad to see.

[Cloudy]

Change the title to the right takes kind of an L

[Chemist]

VOX losing 19 seats

[Cloudy]

8 minutes ago, Chemist said:

VOX losing 19 seats

What worrries me is that PP did not gain those 19, it gained even more

[Ms. Togekiss]

Is it good news for the girls and the gays?

[nostalgic]

5 hours ago, Antisocialites said:

There are barely 200k votes of difference between PP and PSOE yet 14 seats of difference between them. We need some real restructuring of the voting method because it's just insane.

That's kind of how proportional representation works though. Spain doesn't have perfect PR because they use multi-member districts with no leveling seats - but it stops any one party from having an outright majority most of the time and forces cohabitation.

Edited July 24, 2023 by nostalgic

[Jon Snow]

18 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

That's kind of how proportional representation works though. Spain doesn't have perfect PR because they use multi-member districts with no leveling seats - but it stops any one party from an outright majority most of the time and forces cohabition. 

It's how proportional representation works when you have a lot of electoral districts. The more electoral districts you have, the less proportional the representation will be. There are countries that have highly proportional representation because they have a small number or only one electoral district (that has its problems, though). Spain has also a problem where the districts are different in size. So, there are always parties that will get the votes but will not win mandates, because there is a small number of them and some other party/parties with more votes would win them. In smaller districts that'll be prominent. And when you lose mandates, it's like you didn't even get the votes you actually did. So yeah, some kind of compensation and/or bigger electoral districts that are the same in size are needed in Spain. 

 

I don't know much about the electoral system in Spain, so I might not fully get what the problems are. But I wanted to emphasize that PR doesn't have to work that way, leveling seats are used in some countries to make it more proportional. 

 

55 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

but it stops any one party from an outright majority most of the time and forces cohabition. 

Did you mean coalitions?

[Terrielle]

When are the final results coming in? I hope PSOE wins, if PP wins im assuming the gays and immigrants will suffer 

[nostalgic]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

It's how proportional representation works when you have a lot of electoral districts. The more electoral districts you have, the less proportional the representation will be. There are countries that have highly proportional representation because they have a small number or only one electoral district (that has its problems, though). Spain has also a problem where the districts are different in size. So, there are always parties that will get the votes but will not win mandates, because there is a small number of them and some other party/parties with more votes would win them. In smaller districts that'll be prominent. And when you lose mandates, it's like you didn't even get the votes you actually did. So yeah, some kind of compensation and/or bigger electoral districts that are the same in size are needed in Spain. 

 

I don't know much about the electoral system in Spain, so I might not fully get what the problems are. But I wanted to emphasize that PR doesn't have to work that way, leveling seats are used in some countries to make it more proportional. 

 

Did you mean coalitions?

Yes, I know all about district magnitudes and all that. I like the systems used in Portugal, Spain and some other countries. It's simple, ensures somewhat local representation with nearly proportional results in each district and a majority for one party is still possible if they win enough seats in each constituency. Countries like the Netherlands and South Africa that use "pure" PR in a nationwide constituency with no threshold or local representation are a mess  Yeah, their results are proportional but you get an overwhelming amount of factions and risk months of negotiations, caretaker governments etc. Realistically though, Germany has the best electoral system in Europe and is a model most countries should strive for. France and Greece have the worst. 

 

I probably did. I really thought that was a word that I've seen before used in that context, clearly not   I must be thinking of cohabitation*.

[Lil Mxnster]

PP-VOX FLOPPED! 

-19 fascists in the Congress 

[igninton]

Every British outlet (including BBC) + political geeks pre-assuming this would turn out as "yet another European government succumbs to the far right" and the way they've been backtracking and editing their articles is hilarious. 

 

So happy about this, far right CAN be stopped in Europe and this is a great sign.