celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[Domination]

5 hours ago, besaid said:

But that doesn't make "Nazi behavior" or "support for genocide" to go on a trip to the Jewish state as a Jewish young adult and simply not say something (yet) about that. None of these antisemites dogpiling him in the replies and this thread would ever go this far over a muslim or arab star visiting, say, Saudi Arabia or UAE, and making it out like visiting there was a positive endorsement of everything that state has ever said or done. But Jewish stars like Gal Gadot and now, Noah Schnapp are held to another standard while the only difference is their Jewish background and faith. 

Who the hell you talking to because I said nothing of the sort.

[style17]

Good. Being a Zionist is perfectly correct as a Jew, as the alternative is to be brutally slaughtered in a Holocaust or kicked out of the Arab countries around Israel. Twinks on ATRL i’m sure have a perfectly reasonable understanding of the conflict though! What is your solution for Jews if it is not to remain in Israel? Please don’t quote me unless you are willing to give one. 

[Communion]

35 minutes ago, style17 said:

if it is not to remain in Israel? 

Is this suggesting the Jewish population of Israel would rather leave sacred lands than co-exist amongst non-Jewish populations if those people happen to make up a larger portion of the population than them?

 

No longer maintaining an artificial Jewish ethno-state =/= the expulsion of Jewish people from the land. The resolution would be to remain where they are, as the UN tried to mediate until Zionist militias assassinated Folke Bernadotte, a UN diplomat.

 

Again, this rhetoric knowingly runs into the problem that even the UN made it clear one of the requirements for a two-state solution is for the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees. That it is fine for the number of Palestinians to out-number the population of Israel and that Israel stop expanding its borders.

 

Because that's how Zionism calls for the eradication of the Palestinian people - it's the hope that you can displace a population outside of the borders of their home and essentially make them stateless. Get rid of any collective of Palestinians, and suddenly there is no Palestine. If there is no longer a Palestine, there is then no Palestinian people. There's just then disparate groups pushed into the borders of Jordan, and Syria, and Egypt, and Lebanon, etc. 

 

"A land with no people for a people with no land." - Zionism's own Manifest Destiny.

 

Trying to argue that anti-Zionism - the rejection of a Jewish ehtno-state - is antisemitic would mean that everything those within the Israeli government have done for decades to appear more moderate ("this is not apartheid, we don't want violence, we want a two-state solution!") would be a complete lie.

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[style17]

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

Is this suggesting the Jewish population of Israel would rather leave sacred lands than co-exist amongst non-Jewish populations if those people happen to make up a larger portion of the population than them?

 

No longer maintaining an artificial Jewish ethno-state =/= the expulsion of Jewish people from the land. The resolution would be to remain where they are, as the UN tried to mediate until Zionist militias assassinated Folke Bernadotte, a UN diplomat.

 

Again, this rhetoric knowingly runs into the problem that even the UN made it clear one of the requirements for a two-state solution is for the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees. That it is fine for the number of Palestinians to out-number the population of Israel and that Israel stop expanding its borders.

 

Because that's how Zionism calls for the eradication of the Palestinian people - it's the hope that you can displace a population outside of the borders of their home and essentially make them stateless. Get rid of any collective of Palestinians, and suddenly there is no Palestine. If there is no longer a Palestine, there is then no Palestinian people. There's just then disparate groups pushed into the borders of Jordan, and Syria, and Egypt, and Lebanon, etc. 

 

"A land with no people for a people with no land." - Zionism's own Manifest Destiny.

 

Trying to argue that anti-Zionism - the rejection of a Jewish ehtno-state - is antisemitic would mean that everything those within the Israeli government have done for decades to appear more moderate ("this is not apartheid, we don't want violence, we want a two-state solution!") would be a complete lie.

Israel currently has several hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with full rights. Israel has been willing to make a two state solution many times. Would a state under Palestinian control/majority really give Jews rights when every other Arab country brutally kicked them out? You’re just an anti-semitic joke.

[ZIVERT]

The casual anti-Semitism on this website is CRAZY, but not surprising. I’m in full support of a future Palestinian state, but masking pan-Arab manifest destiny in the Middle East, erasing centuries of Jewish history and culture, is not it. 

[style17]

1 minute ago, ZIVERT said:

The casual anti-Semitism on this website is CRAZY, but not surprising. I’m in full support of a future Palestinian state, but masking pan-Arab manifest destiny in the Middle East, erasing centuries of Jewish history and culture, is not it. 

It’s just horrid… obviously Palestinians deserve their own state and have been persecuted… but these people are just so disgustingly anti-semitic. I’m very ashamed that people persecuted for their sexuality are so against a small minority who has been persecuted for thousands of years. It’s honestly kind of disgusting that the mods haven’t closed this thread. Makes me sick. I wonder what these guys would say to someone walking around wearing a Kippah and a star of david… 

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, style17 said:

Israel currently has several hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with full rights.

So why are they blocking millions of Palestinian refugees from returning home (a literally different country)? 

 

Why are new settlements continuously built deeper and deeper into land the UN has for several decades demanded that Israel stop stealing? 

 

"We can't let Palestinians TAKE OVER Israel" and "It's not wrong for Israel to continue expanding into Palestine" are two contradictory statements.

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[style17]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

So why are they blocking millions of Palestinian refugees from returning home (a literally different country)? 

Did I say Israel wasn’t in the wrong? Did I say Israel was fair to Palestinians? No, all I’m saying is that they are OBJECTIVELY more fair to them than Palestinians would EVER be to Jews. EVER. I also think it’s not that simple because the country Palestinians live in is currently ATTACKING Israel.

[style17]

@Jjang why are you disliking posts from Dear ZIVERT simply stating anti-semitism is wrong. Your true colors are showing and you sound like an extremely hateful person.

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[Communion]

5 minutes ago, style17 said:

Did I say Israel wasn’t in the wrong? 

You said anti-Zionism is antisemitic. Zionism is the belief that there isn't nor ever was such a place as Palestine. 

"I support Zionism" and "I don't support the mistreatment of the Palestinian people" are - again - two statements completely at odds with one another. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, style17 said:

 the country Palestinians live in is currently ATTACKING Israel.

 

Can you explain this image for me?

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[Elusive Chanteuse]

Well they are probably harassing him and trashing him

[rihannafan]

People crying anti-semitism (as usual) when they have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of Israel's attacks. Hiding behind keyboards writing extremely stupid and moronic posts consisting of nothing but empty platitudes is very easy when you're not in danger. 

[style17]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

You said anti-Zionism is antisemitic. Zionism is the belief that there isn't nor ever was such a place as Palestine. 

"I support Zionism" and "I don't support the mistreatment of the Palestinian people" are - again - two statements completely at odds with one another. 

 

 

 

Can you explain this image for me?

Well you’re already wrong. Zionism is the belief in the right of a Jewish state. I can explain that image. Palestinians continuing to reject offers of a 2-state solution! Maybe you should give the land back in your country to whatever group had it before! 

[ZIVERT]

Also, the same people that defended Russia’s excuse for invading Ukraine need to stop gaslighting people. Ukraine is not sending missiles into Russia proper AT ALL (let alone civilian centers), all of the fighting is being done on Ukrainian territory. The same people using that argument to defend Hamas’ terrorism don’t even think Ukraine has the right to exist in complete freedom, so please come up with a better argument  

[Cloröx]

He deleted the comments just makes it even worse, screaming tone deaf and ignorant. 

 

Anyway, #FreePalestine

[besaid]

8 minutes ago, style17 said:

It’s just horrid… obviously Palestinians deserve their own state and have been persecuted… but these people are just so disgustingly anti-semitic. I’m very ashamed that people persecuted for their sexuality are so against a small minority who has been persecuted for thousands of years. It’s honestly kind of disgusting that the mods haven’t closed this thread. Makes me sick. I wonder what these guys would say to someone walking around wearing a Kippah and a star of david… 

I remember reading the Kanye threads on this site before I had an account and was like...maybe I shouldn't make one  To anyone who wants to actually learn about why calling Jewish people "Zionists" or "Nazis" is wrong, I really suggest reading this article I linked to earlier: https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-zionism-antisemitism-how-anti-zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

 

Another helpful read: "Make no mistake: Anti-Zionism is antisemitism"

https://web.archive.org/web/20220320121614/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/20/opinion/make-no-mistake-anti-zionism-is-antisemitism/

 

 

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, style17 said:

Zionism is the belief in the right of a Jewish state.

And what justification has historically been given for building the sole Jewish ethno-state in the world on another people's land?

 

14 minutes ago, style17 said:

Palestinians continuing to reject offers of a 2-state solution!

What group assassinated Count Bernadotte in 1948?

What does it mean when one of the men who organized Bernadotte's assassination for advocating for a two-state solution went on to literally become prime minister?

 

14 minutes ago, style17 said:

Maybe you should give the land back in your country 

Yes, sure, all settler nations - American, Australia, Canada, Israel, etc. should be dissolved and no longer exist. Is this you agreeing Israel is inherently a settler nation?

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[style17]

3 minutes ago, besaid said:

I remember reading the Kanye threads on this site before I had an account and was like...maybe I shouldn't make one  To anyone who wants to actually learn about why calling Jewish people "Zionists" or "Nazis" is wrong, I really suggest reading this article I linked to earlier: https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-zionism-antisemitism-how-anti-zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

 

Another helpful read: "Make no mistake: Anti-Zionism is antisemitism"

https://web.archive.org/web/20220320121614/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/20/opinion/make-no-mistake-anti-zionism-is-antisemitism/

 

 

Thank you, it’s just getting exhausting battling these people. 

 

1 minute ago, Communion said:

And what justification has historically been given for building the sole Jewish ethno-state in the world on another people's land?

 

What group assassinated Count Bernadotte in 1948?

What does it mean when one of the men who organized Bernadotte's assassination for advocating for a two-state solution went on to literally become prime minister?

 

Yes, all settler nations - American, Australia, Canada, Israel, etc. should be dissolved and no longer exist.

Okay I’m just gonna focus on your last point because if you think that, do you criticize the others as heavily? And also, what are the people supposed to do that live there. It’s great that you support that in a utopian world, but you just claimed 410 million people in those 4 countries alone are illegal and should be dissolved. What is supposed to happen to them then? Why is Israel being focused on? Are Arab states in Africa not settler states that terrorized the local populations? 

[Mean Trees]

15 minutes ago, style17 said:

Well you’re already wrong. Zionism is the belief in the right of a Jewish state. I can explain that image. Palestinians continuing to reject offers of a 2-state solution! Maybe you should give the land back in your country to whatever group had it before! 

I cannot even believe that you think this is a valid justification. Palestinians who where there and have always been there and YES DNA says they descended from the ancient canaanites, should not have to give up sovereignity just because Britain an EVIL colonizing power along with its other western colonizing powers said so.

[Jjang]

13 minutes ago, style17 said:

@Jjang why are you disliking posts from Dear ZIVERT simply stating anti-semitism is wrong. Your true colors are showing and you sound like an extremely hateful person.

I'm not the one who needs to do the explaining in this thread.

 

I brought up a plethora of valid and rational points that explain my stance, which thankfully the majority of ATRL seemed to agree with (while you disliked all of my comments ironically) so I'm not losing sleep because a Zionist, anti - Palestinian member does not understand my points. 

 

@Communion all those crocodile tears and antisemitic rants reminded me of this video by nonother than Israel's ex-Minister of Education.

 

 

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

all of the fighting is being done on Ukrainian territory. 

"Palestinians are fighting and launching attacks on ISRAELI LAND!". 

 

What version of Israeli land - 1937, 1947, 1967 or 2023?

 

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[style17]

6 minutes ago, Jjang said:

I'm not the one who needs to do the explaining in this thread.

 

I brought up a plethora of valid and rational points that explain my stance, which thankfully the majority of ATRL seemed to agree with (while you disliked all of my comments ironically) so I'm not losing sleep because a Zionist, anti - Palestinian member does not understand my points. 

 

@Communion all those crocodile tears and antisemitic rants reminded me of this video by nonother than Israel's ex-Minister of Education.

 

 

Well surely if ATRL (that represents all of real life) agrees, then it’s right!

[Jjang]

4 minutes ago, style17 said:

Well surely if ATRL (that represents all of real life) agrees, then it’s right!

You literally disliked a comment that said the UN and the leading & most credible human rights organizations in the entire world are not anti-semitic. Cut the crap. You're a delulu. There's no reason to go back and forth with people like you. Your racist and fascist mind is set and you won't hear any of it.

 

Don't you dare ask me to explain myself when you have such deep-rooted anti - Palestinian racism just leaking out of your every hole.

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[besaid]

15 minutes ago, style17 said:

Thank you, it’s just getting exhausting battling these people. 

 

Okay I’m just gonna focus on your last point because if you think that, do you criticize the others as heavily? And also, what are the people supposed to do that live there. It’s great that you support that in a utopian world, but you just claimed 410 million people in those 4 countries alone are illegal and should be dissolved. What is supposed to happen to them then? Why is Israel being focused on? Are Arab states in Africa not settler states that terrorized the local populations? 

Well, "anti-Zionists" say its because they want to eliminate the Jewish state (which is the only state on Earth they talk about like this) which not so coincidently sounds like the anti-Semitic version that wanted to just eliminate Jewish people. We're all supposed to sit around and pretend that's not on accident, I guess.  It's just a thinly veiled acceptable progressive version of old antisemitic tropes. Nothing new, same old ****.

[Communion]

25 minutes ago, style17 said:

What is supposed to happen to them then?

There's no faster way to prove that Zionism is not an indigenous movement than to reveal you believe settler nations as legal entities and the people who live within them are one-in-the-same and calls to end a Zionist Israel are calls to somehow end the existence of the people of Israel in itself. Do you think Native Americans seek the subjugation of 300M Americans? That First Nations people seek the subjugation of 38M Canadians? 

 

You out yourself as thinking the goal of Zionist Israel should be the subjugation of the Palestinian people by assuming the end of such subjugation would only result in the inverse. What do you suppose it says when the reasoning for why Palestinians can never be given equality is the same "vengeful savage" narrative given by Afrikaners and Rhodesians before the end of their settler state experiments?

 

Why do you think Americans would not address the foreign policy elephant of Israel when it commands so much disproportional undeserved positive attention from US politicians? The Israel government murdered an American journalist last year. Last week, Congress just issued a bipartisan resolution deeming it a form of bigotry for a Congresswoman to refer to Israel as a racist nation. Would such resolutions be made for similar killers of US citizens like the KSA?

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