celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[ForgottenSoul]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

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So are both sides violent yes or no?  

Edited July 22, 2023 by ForgottenSoul

[besaid]

Just now, Jjang said:

I think any national movements or racist ideologies that manifest in the form of colonialism, illegal military occupation, apartheid laws, and ethnic cleansing in order to remain intact is one that should be called out time and time again until a change happens. And why do I call it out more than others? Hmm.. maybe it has to do with the fact that the same entity has killed half my family line and is still ethnically cleansing my literal friends and families from their own homes? But no no, clearly, making comparisons between apartheid Israel and fascism is the only line crossed! you're correct! 

 

I love how you think you're fooling anyone with this dishonest discourse of yours. 

 

Oh you mean you're connected to the discourse and I'm not? I mean, I'll have to bring that up to my Jewish grandmother and Jewish relatives who were exterminated by the millions by crazy people who spread conspiracies and propaganda that made Jews out to be special, evil scapegoats. And millions of people heard it and bought into it and spread it (and are still spreading it!) Yeah, but Jews shouldn't be sensitive to that ever again. Its all in the past now, you're right. I'm the bad one for pointing it out. Good to know.

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

So are both sides violent yes or no? 

Your trolling will only make people more quickly realize the brutality behind Zionist forces who try to equate suffering, fyi. So I thank you for being so overtly clumsy in how you try to defend Israel by both-sides'ing the issue.

 

Such rhetoric will be looked back on as similar to those who mentioned things like South African anti-apartheid activists doing things like "necklacing" to people who tried to sabotage efforts to end the apartheid regime.

 

Again, why has the Israeli government refused to follow UN Resolution 194 and allow 7 Million Palestinian refugees the right of return to their ancestral homeland, despite this being necessary for a 2-state solution? Before his death, even President Kennedy in the US said one of the most important objectives of his foreign policy would be facilitating the return of said Palestinian refugees back to their homeland. Even American foreign policy, despite its financial support for Israel, has recognized this is a failure of the Israeli government. When will they comply?

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[Jjang]

15 minutes ago, besaid said:

Oh you mean you're connected to the discourse and I'm not? I mean, I'll have to bring that up to my Jewish grandmother and Jewish relatives who were exterminated by the millions by crazy people who spread conspiracies and propaganda that made Jews out to be special, evil scapegoats. And millions of people heard it and bought into it and spread it (and are still spreading it!) Yeah, but Jews shouldn't be sensitive to that ever again. Its all in the past now, you're right. I'm the bad one for pointing it out. Good to know.

So

 

- the UN

- Amnesty International

- Human Rights Watch 

- Top-degree Israeli scholars & historians that were holocaust survivors themselves 

 

are all collectively just trying to spread antisemitic propaganda in order to bring Nazi Germany back. That theory is a much more realistic concern to worry about, screw the 14 million Palestinians actually having their fundamental human rights stripped from them right now as we're speaking in the non-theoretical, material reality of 2023. Right?

Edited July 22, 2023 by Jjang

[besaid]

8 minutes ago, Jjang said:

So

 

- the UN

- Amnesty International

- Human Rights Rights 

- Top-degree Israeli scholars & historians that were holocaust survivors themselves 

 

are all collectively just trying to spread antisemitic propaganda in order to bring Nazi Germany back. That theory is a much more realistic concern to worry about, screw the 14 million Palestinians actually having their fundamental human rights stripped from them right now as we're speaking in the non-theoretical, material reality of 2023. Right?

I don't know why you think this point matters  You know there's a ton of holocaust survivors and Jewish scholars in Israel...saying the opposite of what you and these other people are? And yes, I do believe it is an antisemitic conspiracy to accuse Jewish people of being the real Nazis or controlling the Nazis or controlling the media to cover their involvement in Nazism or becoming Nazis themselves, etc. and the various other evil conspiracies about Jews like this one.

 

Edit: Oh, and yes I do believe antisemitism is still a material reality and current non-imaginary danger to Jewish people right now in 2023 and nearly everywhere in the world including Israel. I missed that part of your thinly veiled comment so just wanted to make that clear.

Edited July 22, 2023 by besaid

[its_britney_bitch]

Good they need to leave him alone. It’s such a cult-like mindset online

[Jjang]

9 minutes ago, besaid said:

I don't know why you think this point matters  You know there's a ton of holocaust survivors and Jewish scholars in Israel...saying the opposite of what you and these other people are? And yes, I do believe it is an antisemitic conspiracy to accuse Jewish people of being the real Nazis or controlling the Nazis or controlling the media to cover their involvement in Nazism or becoming Nazis themselves, etc. and the various other evil conspiracies about Jews like this one.

I never once in my life said Jewish people are controlling the Nazis or they are "the real" Nazis... whatever the means. The projection game is strong. 

I, however, say with 100% my full chest, that Zionism, as a political movement/ideology - the same ideology that has established the core values and model of Israel is a fascist ideology that absolutely disgusts me and moreover disappoints me that it coming from the same group of people that were tragically affected by fascist ideologies themselves 100 years ago. 

 

And you will never see me backtrack on that.

 

Don't know exactly the context of this course/meeting or who these people are, but you're giving this: 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Jjang

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, besaid said:

And yes, I do believe it is an antisemitic conspiracy to accuse Jewish people of being the real Nazis or controlling the Nazis or controlling the media to cover their involvement in Nazism

What part of "Zionism is an ethno-nationalist ideology" does any of these? 

 

You realize you're not actually convincing anyone by preaching reactionary defenses of ethno-nationalism, right? 

 

Only further highlighting and revealing the contradictions innate in claiming Israel is a thriving democracy where everyone is equal yet its supporters also then defend the ideological belief that ethnicity is somehow the core of how we be judged.

 

What is it called when a country maintains an artificial ethnic majority?

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[State of Grace.]

The girlies both sides-ing this will turn around and cheer for Ukranians cause they are the embodiment of strength, resistance, resilience, and perseverance against Russia's invasion.

 

Strange how Palestinians don't get such heroic labels and only get called violent/terrorists/jihadists/Hamas supporters/etc for defending themselves and their lands. 🤓

[KeshaSwift]

King as he should 

[Negev]

Shut the fanatics up

Criticizing someone enjoying a trip to their ancestral homeland is so out of touch with the real world... like, my ancestors were cast out of Syria and had the circumstances been different I'd for sure go visit. And so would any of you who are second generation would do the exact same thing.

 

History cannot be changed but the citizens are trying their best to better it moving forward- which is why we're opposing our government's policies now. 

[KeshaSwift]

Just now, Negev said:

Shut the fanatics up

Criticizing someone enjoying a trip to their ancestral homeland is so out of touch with the real world... like, my ancestors were cast out of Syria and had the circumstances been different I'd for sure go visit. And so would any of you who are second generation would do the exact same thing.

 

History cannot be changed but the citizens are trying their best to better it moving forward- which is why we're opposing our government's policies now. 

Preach! Good for him 

[besaid]

8 minutes ago, Jjang said:

I never once in my life said Jewish people are controlling the Nazis or they are "the real" Nazis... whatever the means. The projection game is strong. 

I, however, say with 100% my full chest, that Zionism, as a political movement/ideology - the same ideology that has established the core values and model of Israel is a fascist ideology that absolutely disgusts me and moreover disappoints me that it coming from the same group of people that were tragically affected by fascist ideologies themselves 100 years ago. 

 

And you will never see me backtrack on that.

 

Don't know exactly the context of this course/meeting or who these people are, but you're giving this: 

 

 

But YOU liked this statement. And yours and others thinly veiled antisemitic remarks throughout this thread have been very transparent. 

 

 

[ForgottenSoul]

32 minutes ago, Communion said:

Your trolling will only make people more quickly realize the brutality behind Zionist forces who try to equate suffering, fyi. So I thank you for being so overtly clumsy in how you try to defend Israel by both-sides'ing the issue.

 

Such rhetoric will be looked back on as similar to those who mentioned things like South African anti-apartheid activists doing things like "necklacing" to people who tried to sabotage efforts to end the apartheid regime.

 

Again, why has the Israeli government refused to follow UN Resolution 194 and allow 7 Million Palestinian refugees the right of return to their ancestral homeland, despite this being necessary for a 2-state solution? Before his death, even President Kennedy in the US said one of the most important objectives of his foreign policy would be facilitating the return of said Palestinian refugees back to their homeland. Even American foreign policy, despite its financial support for Israel, has recognized this is a failure of the Israeli government. When will they comply?

Im not defending Isreal I think they are vile and shouldn't get funding from the US but you go ahead and believe what you want. 

[ForgottenSoul]

15 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

The girlies both sides-ing this will turn around and cheer for Ukranians cause they are the embodiment of strength, resistance, resilience, and perseverance against Russia's invasion.

 

Strange how Palestinians don't get such heroic labels and only get called violent/terrorists/jihadists/Hamas supporters/etc for defending themselves and their lands. 🤓

Nope if Ukraine bombs civilians I would disagree with that. I'm against cluster bombs because normally they lead to a lot of civilian deaths. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by ForgottenSoul

[Katy V.!]

The Russian propagandists harrasing teens now

[Jjang]

6 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

The girlies both sides-ing this will turn around and cheer for Ukranians cause they are the embodiment of strength, resistance, resilience, and perseverance against Russia's invasion.

 

Strange how Palestinians don't get such heroic labels and only get called violent/terrorists/jihadists/Hamas supporters/etc for defending themselves and their lands. 🤓

Mohammed clocked it all here:

 

 

4 minutes ago, Negev said:

Shut the fanatics up

Criticizing someone enjoying a trip to their ancestral homeland is so out of touch with the real world... like, my ancestors were cast out of Syria and had the circumstances been different I'd for sure go visit. And so would any of you who are second generation would do the exact same thing.

 

History cannot be changed but the citizens are trying their best to better it moving forward- which is why we're opposing our government's policies now. 

oh please, they are not trying to change anti-Palestinian policies. The reform has absolutely nothing to do with Palestinian rights. In fact, it proves how much Israeli society does not care about Palestinian human rights. Because it shows Israeli society can mobilize itself and go protest in the streets if a cause is important enough for them. People who are trying to give these protests a Palestinian angle by raising the Palestinian flag are get ridiculed, harassed, or straight-up beaten. 

 

More ironically, two of the Supreme Court judges that Israelis are fighting to save are illegal settlers themselves living in the West Bank and benefiting from apartheid laws. 

 

6 minutes ago, besaid said:

But YOU liked this statement. And yours and others thinly veiled antisemitic remarks throughout this thread have been very transparent. 

 

 

And I will do it again. I already told you, to me, the Zionist project is a Nazi/Fascist-like ideology in my books. If that's problematic for you to hear then boohoo.

[besaid]

21 minutes ago, Communion said:

What part of "Zionism is an ethno-nationalist ideology" does any of these? 

 

You realize you're not actually convincing anyone by preaching reactionary defenses of ethno-nationalism, right? 

 

Only further highlighting and revealing the contradictions innate in claiming Israel is a thriving democracy where everyone is equal yet its supporters also then defend the ideological belief that ethnicity is somehow the core of how we be judged.

 

What is it called when a country maintains an artificial ethnic majority?

Instead of vilifying Jews with this type of rhetoric, I will suggest this for further reading. 

 

"To be sure, one can harshly criticize Israel’s leaders and actions without being antisemitic. But accusing “Zionists,” or anyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel, of behavior commonly associated with age-old tropes about Jews (such as greed, bloodthirstiness and power) is antisemitic. Additionally, this rhetoric villainizes the vast majority of Jews around the world who identify with Zionism or feel a connection or kinship with Israel (regardless of their individual views on Israeli policies).

 

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-zionism-antisemitism-how-anti-zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

 

So, what exactly about Noah's (a gay Jew) instagram post was "Nazi behavior"? 

Edited July 22, 2023 by besaid

[State of Grace.]

3 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Mohammed clocked it all here:

 

 

Always whacking them with facts and I love it

[rebeltwat]

Shocking

[Jjang]

7 minutes ago, besaid said:

Instead of vilifying Jews with this type of rhetoric, I will suggest this for further reading. 

 

"To be sure, one can harshly criticize Israel’s leaders and actions without being antisemitic. But accusing “Zionists,” or anyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel, of behavior commonly associated with age-old tropes about Jews (such as greed, bloodthirstiness and power) is antisemitic. Additionally, this rhetoric villainizes the vast majority of Jews around the world who identify with Zionism or feel a connection or kinship with Israel (regardless of their individual views on Israeli policies).

 

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-zionism-antisemitism-how-anti-zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

 

So, what exactly about Noah's (a gay Jew) instagram post was "Nazi behavior"? 

Oh yes, the ADL! ... an extremist far-right organization that supported South African Apartheid and denied the Armenian genocide. 

 

I remember like three years ago there was an article investigating the "ADL antisemitism tracker" (they are the ones that send all these "antisemitic violent attacks up by 500% this year! etc reports to news channels) only to find out that they constitute pro-Palestinian rallies and just the phrase "free Palestine" as anti semitism which is included in those reports. 

[OmegaRidley]

4 hours ago, Luckitty said:

atrl is full of anti-arabs who would happily genocide the entire arab world if they could, so I'm expecting the comments on this thread to be 99% in support of israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide like most threads about palestine

You’re acting like arabs wouldn’t genocide LGBT people if given the choice (which they already do in their homecountry btw)

[Brunette Ambition]

35 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

The girlies both sides-ing this will turn around and cheer for Ukranians cause they are the embodiment of strength, resistance, resilience, and perseverance against Russia's invasion.

 

Strange how Palestinians don't get such heroic labels and only get called violent/terrorists/jihadists/Hamas supporters/etc for defending themselves and their lands. 🤓

 

this marvelization of war.

[Daddy]

28 minutes ago, besaid said:

But YOU liked this statement. And yours and others thinly veiled antisemitic remarks throughout this thread have been very transparent. 

 

 

Thinly veiled antisemitism = being against apartheid? I don't think so.

 

What Israel is doing to Palestinians is literally the same Nazi-Germany did to Jewish people. 

 

You're trying to downplay murder and terror on the grounds of nationality and religion. Is that not giving fascism to you? 

 

 

 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, besaid said:

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-zionism-antisemitism-how-anti-zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

So your defense is that... Israeli ethno-nationalism is fine because an organization defends it as such says so, even though this organization also said South African ethno-nationalism and apartheid was fine?

 

The Anti-Defamation League is a right-wing org that literally employs FBI agents who spied on anti-apartheid activists in South Africa and sold their information to the apartheid regime in South Africa at the time.

 

All while these same FBI agents worked out of San Francisco to also spy on both progressive Arab and Jewish organizations in the US who were criticizing Israel's ethno-nationalist policies:

 

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The scandal has not yet received the national media attention it deserves, but West Coast activists are up in arms about revelations that the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith secretly employed a self-styled art dealer named Roy Bullock to collect information on a wide range of individuals and organizations deemed anti-Jewish or hostile to Israel, including Rep. Ron Dellums, the ACLU, New Jewish Agenda, MERIP and many Arab-American, Palestine solidarity and anti-apartheid activists and groups. Bullock, who was employed by the CIA in El Salvador in the 1980s and also served as an FBI informant, worked for the ADL for more than three decades, amassing a database that included files on some 12,000 individuals and 950 organizations.

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Particularly ominous is evidence that some of the material in Bullock’s files was obtained from Thomas Gerard, an inspector in the San Francisco Police Department’s intelligence unit, which seems to have perpetuated the old “Red Squad” tradition of monitoring perfectly legal political activism. Gerard is believed to have given Bullock information from confidential police records, in apparent violation of the law. Gerard and Bullock also shared data with the FBI and sold information on anti-apartheid activism to South African intelligence agents.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/10/19/jewish-groups-tactics-investigated/96daef6a-a325-4a8a-ba09-da211fc1ba8a/