celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[Jjang]

12 minutes ago, besaid said:

And Palestinian society is free of racism, antisemitism and antigay hate?  What is the point in even mentioning this unless to smear the Jewish population of the only majority Jewish place on earth? The demand that we be blind to Hamas and the racism and homophobia of Palestine are what make these type of comments thinly veiled little antisemitic swipes 

Had it been the Chinese coming to colonize them and ethnically cleanse them, Palestinians would have resisted 100% the same. Palestinians are not resisting them because they're Jewish, that's such a backward rhetoric. As every single Israeli founding father said, whether that be Hertzl, whether that be Ben Gurion, whether that be Jabotinsky or Max - all called Zionism a colonial adventure that seeks to criminally and violently replace a certain population with a different one.  

 

Not even gonna get into that stupid rhetoric because essentially what you're arguing is that if a society is homophobic (go count how many of those exist) then by default they deserve to be colonized, ethnically cleansed, and brutalized by an illegally occupying army... make it make sense. 

 

Once again: no one is making the argument that Palestinians are progressive liberals. The argument we are making however is that they don't need to be in order to have their fundamental human rights - which Israel has halted for almost a century and counting now. No rights are taken away from Israelis by Palestinians however. That is what we're dealing with in real-world material terms. Reply to that. 

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Jjang

[Companion]

2 hours ago, Luckitty said:

atrl is full of anti-arabs who would happily genocide the entire arab world if they could, so I'm expecting the comments on this thread to be 99% in support of israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide like most threads about palestine

Its very interesting even though Atrl is anti arab they are still rooting for Palestine which is very isteresting. 

[JoeAg]

52 minutes ago, Jjang said:

There are academic and scholar Jews of the atmost highest degree calling their fellow Israeli men Nazi and fascist-like. 

 

And please, you decided to skip ALL of this thread's content and focus on what you chose to focus on. Your stance is clear sweetie. 

TELL EM!!! 

 

listen up y'all: I'm culturally jewish, and some of these jewish people are absolutely fascist-like. there's no excuse, not even in the tanakh, for trying to take over the land someone else has lived in for centuries. I went to Israel for an MBI trip (for my jewish summer camp, it was kinda like birthright?) back when I was 17 and yknow it's a gorgeous place and it was a decent trip but... did it make me feel fulfilled as a trip? did it seem like a necessary trip to go on for my identity? honestly, no it didn't. I learned later that I can be jewish and anti-zionist and there's nothing wrong with those two parts of my identity being hand in hand. be respectful, and listen to palestinians when they talk about what's going wrong in their part of the world ya? 

[Luckitty]

18 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

No, I have not said oh they are both equal? I just said both are violent which they are.. not on equal terms but they have both done violent acts. 

i wonder what's your plan of peaceful resistance?

 

palestinians weren't armed when zionists came in the 1940s and massacred them

[JoeAg]

oh and before anyone accuses me of being a self-hating jew: shut the f*ck up. I've heard that a million times and it makes no sense to me. I'm proud of my heritage and the strides many of my ancestors made in scientific and musical fields, just like what my nuclear family accomplishes! ya, I come from an intelligent, enlightened family. but that's the extent of what my thoughts on my heritage has to do with my personal stance of being anti-zionist

[Luckitty]

5 minutes ago, Companion said:

Its very interesting even though Atrl is anti arab they are still rooting for Palestine which is very isteresting. 

the previous thread was overwhelmingly supporting israel
 

i guess a broken clock is right twice a day

[thinking]

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

Is ethno-nationalism a good thing or a bad thing?

What's the difference between Polish people saying things like "Poland is for Poles" versus Zionism?

Thumbing down a post isn't an argument nor an answer @besaid

 

Please answer the question @besaid

 

What do you call it when nations hold the belief that they should maintain artificial ethnic majorities? 

[besaid]

12 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Reply to that. 

 

Reply to what? You completely side-stepped everything I said (as expected, sadly) despite (one of) the people who were spreading antisemitic conspiracies in here already apologizing and recognizing it as harmful and inaccurate. Everything else in that comment are not things I believe or have said. You are the one who brought up how Israeli society isn't perfectly anti-racist (which one is by the way?) and made no recognition that Palestinian society is just as rotten in its own ways. Again, its that focus on demonizing just Jewish people in Israel that I'm still talking about. "They're Nazis. They're uniquely, specially racist." Etc. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by besaid

[Rebel Lion]

I know the op says Palestine was illegally occupied but arent most if not all countries illegally occupied at some point? Why single out Israel?

[ForgottenSoul]

24 minutes ago, Jjang said:

So, using your logic: Ukraine does not deserve our sympathy because the people are fighting back? 

Enslaved black people or those who lived under Jim Crow laws do not deserve solidarity because they violently resisted?

JEWISH PEOPLE under the nazi regime who were violently resisting (Warsaw uprising etc) do not deserve our solidary because of the mere violence?

 

Very interesting take. 

It's like you lack the ability to think properly so I sort of feel sorry for you. That comparison would work if Ukraine were rocketing civilian areas in response to fighting Russia. 

 

14 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Try living under occupation, having your home (where your family lived for decades) stolen and handed to American/European settlers or demolished and turned into rubble in front of your eyes, being subjected to daily human rights abuse, suffering from depression and anxiety caused by the constant raids, witness killing scenes and blood (incl toddlers and children) for years and years, etc and let's see if you don't act "violent". 

Does that change anything I have said? I want fighting to stop and as I said you can word it all you want firing rockets into civilian areas is something I disagree with, maybe you're okay with it because hey it's Palestine.  Violence leads to more Violence I want it to stop full stop you can keep twisting my words all you want. People here love to defend Palestine which is fine to do but being ignorant about them and their culture? Laughable.

 

 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, besaid said:

Reply to what? You completely side-stepped everything I said (as expected, sadly) despite (one of) the people who were spreading antisemitic conspiracies in here already apologizing and recognizing it as harmful and inaccurate. Everything else in that comment are not things I believe or have said. You are the one who brought up how Israeli society isn't perfectly anti-racist (which one is by the way?) and made no recognition that Palestinian society is just as rotten in its own ways. Again, its that focus on demonizing just Jewish people in Israel that I'm still talking about. "They're Nazis. They're uniquely, specially racist." Etc. 

Why won't the Israel government let the ethnic Jewish population of Israel fall under 50%? What is that called?

[ForgottenSoul]

9 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

i wonder what's your plan of peaceful resistance?

 

palestinians weren't armed when zionists came in the 1940s and massacred them

Firing rockets into civilian areas is not peaceful resistance it's terrorism. If anything Hamas has done more to harm Palestine then help. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by ForgottenSoul

[Jjang]

Just now, besaid said:

You are the one who brought up how Israeli society isn't perfectly anti-racist

As a reply to the common sentiment/trope that Israelis are not the issue but rather the government as if it's a totally separate body that the Israeli society did not vote for. Any more nuances you lack and need explaining? 

[besaid]

3 minutes ago, Jjang said:

As a reply to the common sentiment/trope that Israelis are not the issue but rather the government as if it's a totally separate body that the Israeli society did not vote for. Any more nuances you lack and need explaining? 

Correct. So you want people to think Jewish racism or Jewish nationalism is uniquely specially bad because its coming from Jewish people. Hence me reminding you of Palestinian racism and homophobia (and Hamas are nationalist extremists too). I think we're done exploring this threads rampant antisemitism. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by besaid

[Luckitty]

Just now, ForgottenSoul said:

Firing rockets into civilian areas is not peaceful resistance it's terrorism. If anything Hamas has done more to harm Palestine then help. 

they build those rockets from the rockets that israel shoots at them, so i guess it's ok for israel to fire rockets but not for palestinians?

 

And mind you like 99% of hamas's rockets (which they shoot in self defense) fail or get shot down

 

meanwhile israel has the most funded military in the world, with the newest and most advanced weapons and they test those weapons on palestinians so that america can use them later on another middle eastern country 

[AvadaKedavra]

7 minutes ago, Daddy said:

I feel like this mindset just helps the oppressor, not the victims.

Disagree. When my latino country faced problems some years ago we were are all sufferin but the narrative internationally was totally different....
People from international countries sided with the wrong guys without the historical context just for the sake of following an agenda from left or right and the media propaganda
Hivemind. 
The thoughts of Americans and Europeans were also discussed more than the thoughts of the people livin there strugglin through things. 


If im not wrong.....The member here with the cute Cat orange Avi is from Palestine, so i take his thoughts with much more value than anything else.
Same with the israelis members on ATRL 
I think all political threads should have two types of sections.
One for international people thoughts and one for people livin in the countries 

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Personally i think Noah is very dumb  he's livin life through rich celebrity lenses. He should talk about the wrongdoings from both parts
He could bring unity but silencing palestinians can be damagin. The things they have to endure are horrible and we cant just stay silent about it too.
The videos are online. All the bad things the israeli goverments and hamas are doin are onlin e. 
This is a touchy topic. He's not even from Israel. He's american. If i were him i would stay silent  

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

Violence leads to more Violence

 

Why does the Israel government reject the UN-approved right of return for all Palestinian people who once lived within Palestine? Their rejection of this is the sole obstacle to meeting the requirements for a 2 state solution. 

 

Is it about ending violence or maintaining artificial ethnic majorities? 

[Solaria]

''They are homophobic therefore they don't deserve basic human rights''  I'm so tired of this argument

[ForgottenSoul]

3 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

they build those rockets from the rockets that israel shoots at them, so i guess it's ok for israel to fire rockets but not for palestinians?

 

And mind you like 99% of hamas's rockets (which they shoot in self defense) fail or get shot down

 

meanwhile israel has the most funded military in the world, with the newest and most advanced weapons and they test those weapons on palestinians so that america can use them later on another middle eastern country 

I think neither should fire rockets but that doesn't excuse that Hamas has done the same even though to a less degree and harm. I think USA shouldn't be funding Isreal at all and I think what Isreal is doing and has done is awful im just not excusing what Hamas has done also.  

[Jjang]

20 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

Firing rockets into civilian areas is not peaceful resistance it's terrorism. If anything Hamas has done more to harm Palestine then help. 

1) you are once again conveniently ignoring this point: 

 

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Hamas (which Israel funded in the 80s as a way to tackle a more secular Palestinian political party) operates from the illegally besieged Gaza, there are 5 million other Palestinians residing outside of Gaza who don't have an army on the ground defending them. and guess what? Israel's army still subjects them to apartheid laws, ethnic cleansing, home demolitions, segregation, collective punishment, restricts their movement, torture, and just overall astonishingly horrendous living conditions.

 

2) Gaza is the most densely populated city in the entire world. Ukraine is quite literally (I did the math) X1,700 times bigger than Gaza and bout X2,500 times less densely populated. And all militant bases are quickly destroyed by Israeli warplanes regardless (which, btw, Palestinians don't have!) 

 

So yes, one of the strongest armies in the world, with a total of nearly $400 BILLION funding from the US alone, who has the most advanced war technology known to mankind, and routinely uses illegal chemical weapons such as white phosphorus on Gazans, is totally in power balance with Hamas, who aimlessly fires rockets (that carry no explosives, by the way) from a besieged city, where 98% of those rockets get taken down by the Iron Dome regardless, creating a firework display for Israelis to enjoy ... is totally the same. 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Jjang

[ForgottenSoul]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

 

Why does the Israel government reject the UN-approved right of return for all Palestinian people who once lived within Palestine? Their rejection of this is the sole obstacle to meeting the requirements for a 2 state solution. 

 

Is it about ending violence or maintaining artificial ethnic majorities? 

What I mean by violence leads to more violence applies to both sides, peace will never be an option and especially if USA continues to be weak when it comes to Isreal. 

[ForgottenSoul]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

1) you are once again conveniently ignoring this point: 

 

 

2) Gaza is the most densely populated city in the entire world. Ukraine is quite literally (I did the math) X1,700 times bigger than Gaza and bout X2,500 times less densely populated. And all militant bases are quickly destroyed by Israeli warplanes regardless (which, btw, Palestinians don't have!) 

 

So yes, one of the strongest armies in the world, with a total of nearly $400 BILLION funding from the US alone, who has the most advanced war technology known to mankind, and routinely uses illegal chemical weapons such as white phosphorus on Gazans, is totally in power balance with Hamas, who aimlessly fires rockets (that carry no explosives, by the way) from a besieged city, where 98% of those rockets get taken down by the Iron Dome regardless, creating a firework display for Israelis to enjoy in the same... is totally the same. 

 

 

Yet again I never said they are the same but sure and I think USA funding them is disgusting and USA are weak when it comes to Isreal. 

[Communion]

Just now, ForgottenSoul said:

applies to both sides,

 

?

[Jjang]

6 minutes ago, besaid said:

Correct. So you want people to think Jewish racism or Jewish nationalism is uniquely specially bad because its coming from Jewish people. 

I think any national movements or racist ideologies that manifest in the form of colonialism, illegal military occupation, apartheid laws, and ethnic cleansing in order to remain intact is one that should be called out time and time again until a change happens. And why do I call it out more than others? Hmm.. maybe it has to do with the fact that the same entity has killed half my family line and is still ethnically cleansing my literal friends and families from their own homes? But no no, clearly, making comparisons between apartheid Israel and fascism is the only line crossed! you're correct! 

 

I love how you think you're fooling anyone with this dishonest discourse of yours.