anti-bitch Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, Frozen99 said: oh you're right at the source haha i mean pretty same thing goes for czechia, there's a big gay scene in prague but not much anywhere else, tho i hold my hands with my bf everywhere and nothing ever happened, some dirty looks but idc enough to look back. you def have to, besides the fact it's an absolutely stunning city architecture-wise, the ppl there are just oozing freedom, everyone is so chill, i guess it's the weed haha bikes everyhwere so cool. i'm headed to belgium first time ever for a myléne farmer concert so i'll see if it's the same there I feel like bel*mi and Czech h*nter have given people the wrong image of Czechia, lol. but there's beautiful guys for sure. And it's great that you hold hands with bf in public! You never know, there might be some closeted guy who has seen/ will see you guys and that gives him strength and hope to come out one day. I think it's more powerful to see people being openly gay in real life rather than just online. And not just during pride month. it's sad though how much location matters to whether you can be happy as a gay person. but it's certainly easier to move to a more accepting city than try to change your hometown.
Frozen99 Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 3 hours ago, anti-***** said: I feel like bel*mi and Czech h*nter have given people the wrong image of Czechia, lol. but there's beautiful guys for sure. haha this is a funny map. i mean, prague is very open so guys from there too 3 hours ago, anti-***** said: And it's great that you hold hands with bf in public! You never know, there might be some closeted guy who has seen/ will see you guys and that gives him strength and hope to come out one day. I think it's more powerful to see people being openly gay in real life rather than just online. And not just during pride month. i thought you'd say a closeted would have jumped on us (which had sadly happened before). you're right but honestly i don't do it for that, i do it bc i want to and if it helps someone, the better. honestly, i rarely see ppl in general holding hands anywhere, be it straight couples too and pride here is very LIVE here i've been told (never been myself) 3 hours ago, anti-***** said: it's sad though how much location matters to whether you can be happy as a gay person. but it's certainly easier to move to a more accepting city than try to change your hometown. most definitely. you really opened my eyes about the scandinavia though
anti-bitch Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Frozen99 said: haha this is a funny map. i mean, prague is very open so guys from there too i thought you'd say a closeted would have jumped on us (which had sadly happened before). you're right but honestly i don't do it for that, i do it bc i want to and if it helps someone, the better. honestly, i rarely see ppl in general holding hands anywhere, be it straight couples too and pride here is very LIVE here i've been told (never been myself) most definitely. you really opened my eyes about the scandinavia though LOL i was gonna say Hungary has hot guys too. and wow i'm sorry that has happened to you. i will never understand why some men get violent when they see gay people. maybe it's some internalized homophobia. it doesn't make any sense for a secure straight guy to overreact that way. And maybe I've given you a too bad image of the Nordics... but nah, i really think west and central Europe is where the action is at. Finland is deffo a safe country to live in, but it also feels a bit isolated. Dutch politics is getting kinda messy too. But i hope they never lose their liberal edge.
Communion Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 13 hours ago, anti-***** said: Finland! Lol. So that's why I was a bit defensive in earlier posts here, saying that this is all coming from one party and not really representative of the country. Women in general and young people here are much more accepting of minorities. But as a gay guy I don't think Finland is good for gay men. Maybe a bit in Helsinki. But even there there's only a couple of gay clubs and that's it. Not a real scene. Women are a lot more open about being queer here. I've never been to Amsterdam but I'd love to visit. There's gotta be a reason why they were first to legalize same sex marriage. And Belgium came soon after. There's something nice going on in the Benelux region. I do think it's important to remember there are divides but also that such divides mean huge amounts of particular groups are indeed being radicalized. It reminds me of the similar discussion of similar happening in Sweden and how polarized Swedish women are from Swedish men. As a Scandinavian, why do you think white Scandinavian men are becoming so easily radicalized en masse?
anti-bitch Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Communion said: I do think it's important to remember there are divides but also that such divides mean huge amounts of particular groups are indeed being radicalized. It reminds me of the similar discussion of similar happening in Sweden and how polarized Swedish women are from Swedish men. As a Scandinavian, why do you think white Scandinavian men are becoming so easily radicalized en masse? I think there's something about never really having to deal with a significant amount of immigrants until recently. And also feminism has gone far here, most glass ceiling have been broken. Unfortunately that makes some men uncomfortable. They still wanna run the world. Although i don' t think that's a Scandi specific thing, It just shows up here more because women are so powerful here. And you could say that many of the male typical jobs (hard manual labor) are under a threat of being erased by automation. There's constantly less need for raw physical strength in modern work life, but the problem is that that's the only thing many men have to offer. And straight men here are much more likely to stay in their hometown forever, never moving to uni or anything. The girls and the gays move to big cities, but maybe that's a global thing. But yeah, staying home and not really having the brain or the interest to go study something at uni, that can make people radical. And ofc that hurts birth rate too if and when straight women and men go different ways. And I've read something like that is also happening in the US. Straight guys gotta adapt to the modern world somehow. Pointing fingers and finding scapegoats for their problems doesn't help anything. Edited July 15, 2023 by anti-bitch
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 12 hours ago, Communion said: As a Scandinavian, why do you think white Scandinavian men are becoming so easily radicalized en masse? I know it wasn’t addressed to me, but I’d thought that I could chip in as well. Compared to other countries, women in Scandinavia are much more independent and detached from men. As a whole, they tend to do well in school, move to a big city, get an academic education and live there the rest of their lives. They also want a partner who got the same ambitions and lifestyle as them and tend not to settle. This has been increasingly going on since the 1960’s. You got a lot of men with little to no education, live in smaller towns or rural areas. A lot of them can’t find a long term partner and will probably never have family and kids, despite their wishes to do so. So they become lonely and angry and start to blame society/feminism/immigrants/whatever. The introverted nature of Scandinavian countries probably doesn’t help and many young men use the internet and gaming to cope, things that easily can suck you into a toxic culture. TLDR: since the 60’s women found out they don’t have to settle for loser men and a lot of men hasn’t set themselves to a higher standard since the 1950’s, so naturally they are left behind, bitter as hell probably the case for a lot of countries on some scale. just my guess.
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