Letemtalk Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 June 2023: Finnish politician, Vilhelm Junnila, who was appointed as minister for economic affairs, has resigned after it was found that he had earlier made neo-Nazi statements and suggested "climate abortions" for African women: Quote "It would be justified for Finland to shoulder its responsibility by promoting climate abortions. Climate abortion would be a small step for a person, but a giant leap for humanity," he said at the time. https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/embattled-finland-minister-quits-amid-mass-africa-abortions-scandal In 2019 he appeared at rally arranged by an organisation called the Coalition of Nationalists, an umbrella group formed in 2017 for those on the far-right including the Finns Party, the now-banned Nordic Resistance Movement militia, and the Soldiers of Odin vigilante movement. He also made a Nazi joke to congratulate his fellow party member on his candidate number Quote "congratulations for the excellent candidate number. I know it's a winning card." His candidate number was 88. https://news.yahoo.com/finnish-minister-resigns-over-nazi-101811163.html July 2023: Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister of Finland admits to multiple instances of racist and xenophobic comments, including fantasizing about shooting immigrants, keeps job: I know some people will say "oh it's just a small minority party", but clearly if they have a large number of ministers in the government, with responsibilities in Economic Affairs, Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, this is not a tiny minority, this is a significant part of the elected Finnish government. Quote Out of the total 19 ministerial posts, eight ministers are from the National Coalition, seven from the Finns, three from the Swedish People's Party, and one from the Christian Democrats. That is 7/19 from the far-right Finns Party, more than 36% and clearly the other parties in the ministerial cabinet supported including them.
helpthomas Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) yes, the staggering influx of far-right politics in europe is evident in all of scandinavia right now and i hope it gets even more media coverage. as a swede, i am scared and weary for the evolution of our political climate. it’s not only finland, we have literal nazis in the swedish parliament as well, and these extremists are gaining more votes every day because of the complex issues regarding gang violence and criminal activity. i’ll try not to write a novel about this, but the sad irony behind all of it is that these criminal actions have developed because of the same right wing politicians and their agenda of completely segregating all immigrants in the 80’s and 90’s. they placed 90% of all immigrants in outsider communities and never gave them enough tools for integration, basically leaving them for the streets, and then they have the audacity to claim they will deport people if they aren’t integrated into scandinavian culture. as a child of two immigrant parents, i get subjected to more and more racism every single day and it’s gone from passive aggressions to full on verbal attacks on the metro. it’s just horrible. Edited July 13, 2023 by helpthomas 12
Elusive Chanteuse Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, helpthomas said: yes, the staggering influx of far-right politics in europe is evident in all of scandinavia right now and i hope it gets even more media coverage. as a swede, i am scared and weary for the evolution of our political climate. it’s not only finland, we have literal nazis in the swedish parliament as well, and these extremists are gaining more votes every day because of the complex issues regarding gang violence and criminal activity. i’ll try not to write a novel about this, but the sad irony behind all of it is that these criminal actions have developed because of the same right wing politicians and their agenda of completely segregating all immigrants in the 80’s and 90’s. they placed 90% of all immigrants in outsider communities and never gave them enough tools for integration, basically leaving them for the streets, and then they have the audacity to claim they will deport people if they aren’t integrated into scandinavian culture. as a child of two immigrant parents, i get subjected to more and more racism every single day and it’s gone from passive aggressions to full on verbal attacks on the metro. it’s just horrible. Is this wave of right wingers a reaction to immigration in these countries or the economy?
supertiffany Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 the trend of iron-fist style of government ala nazi on the rise from Putin to Xi Jin Ping, Duterte to Trump the worst situations right now fuels people to displace hate and anger, find someone to blame 1
Frozen99 Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 i'm shocked it's in finland but yeah the far-right wings are rising all over europe.. the fact she refuses to resign and ppl let that fly is the most concerning like, make them accountable! 1 hour ago, helpthomas said: yes, the staggering influx of far-right politics in europe is evident in all of scandinavia right now and i hope it gets even more media coverage. as a swede, i am scared and weary for the evolution of our political climate. it’s not only finland, we have literal nazis in the swedish parliament as well, and these extremists are gaining more votes every day because of the complex issues regarding gang violence and criminal activity. i’ll try not to write a novel about this, but the sad irony behind all of it is that these criminal actions have developed because of the same right wing politicians and their agenda of completely segregating all immigrants in the 80’s and 90’s. they placed 90% of all immigrants in outsider communities and never gave them enough tools for integration, basically leaving them for the streets, and then they have the audacity to claim they will deport people if they aren’t integrated into scandinavian culture. as a child of two immigrant parents, i get subjected to more and more racism every single day and it’s gone from passive aggressions to full on verbal attacks on the metro. it’s just horrible. so scary tbh and scandinavia is supposed to be the most tolerant part of europe...
anti-bitch Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 this is all coming from one party though @Letemtalk , "the Finns" party. the populists. 80% of the population still voted for other parties. so i suggest you edit out that "have the gone nazi" because it's just one segment of the society. and their support comes mostly from the rural areas. But Finnish politics is also getting very polarized like the rest of the world. And that's concerning.
Letemtalk Posted July 13, 2023 Author Posted July 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, anti-***** said: this is all coming from one party though @Letemtalk , "the Finns" party. the populists. 80% of the population still voted for other parties. so i suggest you edit out that "have the gone nazi" because it's just one segment of the society. and their support comes mostly from the rural areas. But Finnish politics is also getting very polarized like the rest of the world. And that's concerning. Let me know when the other parties kick them out of the ruling coalition government and I will edit that part out of the subject. Edit: The problem isn't just the far-right parties, it's the centre-right parties that are happy to be in coalition with the far-right and the people that vote for those parties, knowing that the far-right is very likely to be part of the ruling collation. 1
Europe Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 Same thing is happening in Germany, apparently the new nazy party got like a 20% support at the last election.
anti-bitch Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, Frozen99 said: i'm shocked it's in finland but yeah the far-right wings are rising all over europe.. the fact she refuses to resign and ppl let that fly is the most concerning like, make them accountable! so scary tbh and scandinavia is supposed to be the most tolerant part of europe... Finland is having a particularly harsh birth rate collapse in recent years, so the right wingers are stoking up fears about "great replacement theory" meaning that the native whites will be replaced by immigrants. But ironically they are least popular in cities like Helsinki where there are quite a lot of immigrants. It's very universal thing in the world that big cities tend to be more liberal while rural areas are more conservative. And like i said in the post above, this is all coming from one party. So not really a majority opinion. 1
Frozen99 Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Finland is having a particularly harsh birth rate collapse in recent years, so the right wingers are stoking up fears about "great replacement theory" meaning that the native whites will be replaced by immigrants. But ironically they are least popular in cities like Helsinki where there are quite a lot of immigrants. It's very universal thing in the world that big cities tend to be more liberal while rural areas are more conservative. And like i said in the post above, this is all coming from one party. So not really a majority opinion. yeah in czechia we have SPD, populists who feasts on fear, not neo-nazi but very anti-lgbtq+ and anti-immigrants so it's mainly from one party too but it affects the society anyway .. my point was, our SPD is far from goverment (12%) but those were ministers AND a deputy prime minister; i'm just very shocked in disbelief such ppl got that high
anti-bitch Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Letemtalk said: Let me know when the other parties kick them out of the ruling coalition government and I will edit that part out of the subject. But it would be more fair to talk about entire Europe right now, not just Finland. These right wing parties are rising up everywhere. Immigration is a painful topic it seems. Even the Netherlands long time prime minister had to resign now because they couldn't get a deal on immigration.
Harrier Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 Im not sure its accurate to say theyve gone full nazi but it is certainly very unfortunate that the far right Finns party is in the governing coalition this time around. Their actual vote percentage has not increased very much as theyve achieved around the 17-20% range in every election since 2011. Its bad but idk if id decribe it as a far right wave
Letemtalk Posted July 13, 2023 Author Posted July 13, 2023 10 hours ago, anti-***** said: But it would be more fair to talk about entire Europe right now, not just Finland. These right wing parties are rising up everywhere. Immigration is a painful topic it seems. Even the Netherlands long time prime minister had to resign now because they couldn't get a deal on immigration. Yes, it's everywhere right now, but in this case you have two examples in high ranking government positions, including the one who has not resigned, who is Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister. Of course there are other examples, like the Mussolini praising Italian woman, who in 2022 became prime minister of Italy, almost 100 years to the day after Mussolini's March on Rome.
supertiffany Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Letemtalk said: Let me know when the other parties kick them out of the ruling coalition government and I will edit that part out of the subject. Edit: The problem isn't just the far-right parties, it's the centre-right parties that are happy to be in coalition with the far-right and the people that vote for those parties, knowing that the far-right is very likely to be part of the ruling collation. well if history is a teacher then you can see such parties started as minority before too
getBusy Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Same sh*t is about to happen in Spain. The right will win the elctions in a few days, but will need the support of the nazis to reach majority, and they will get some cabinet positions in exchange for that support. Edited July 13, 2023 by getBusy
DUA LIPA Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Frozen99 said: so scary tbh and scandinavia is supposed to be the most tolerant part of europe... it 100% is not, that's just scandinavia's image to people who don't know much about it. 1
Frozen99 Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, DUA LIPA said: it 100% is not, that's just scandinavia's image to people who don't know much about it. you think so? i mean, i've never been there but it's basically the image we're taught
anti-bitch Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Frozen99 said: you think so? i mean, i've never been there but it's basically the image we're taught we have nice social security and all that, but there's a lot of loneliness and depression that no politics can really fix. the weather is bad for half a year. that affects people's mental health negatively. i think Netherlands and Belgium might be the most accepting countries actually, at least for LGBTQ+ people. And they have nice social security laws too. and at least a bit better weather. 1
Robert Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 Far right seems to be rising everywhere except maybe LATAM. Europeans are racist af so politicians are playing on fears of immigrants and especially refugee to gain power.
Frozen99 Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 9 hours ago, anti-***** said: we have nice social security and all that, but there's a lot of loneliness and depression that no politics can really fix. the weather is bad for half a year. that affects people's mental health negatively. i think Netherlands and Belgium might be the most accepting countries actually, at least for LGBTQ+ people. And they have nice social security laws too. and at least a bit better weather. i've been twice to amsterdam and i must agree. and i can only imagine how the weather affects all those aspects in ppl.. may i ask, which country are you from?
anti-bitch Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Frozen99 said: i've been twice to amsterdam and i must agree. and i can only imagine how the weather affects all those aspects in ppl.. may i ask, which country are you from? Finland! Lol. So that's why I was a bit defensive in earlier posts here, saying that this is all coming from one party and not really representative of the country. Women in general and young people here are much more accepting of minorities. But as a gay guy I don't think Finland is good for gay men. Maybe a bit in Helsinki. But even there there's only a couple of gay clubs and that's it. Not a real scene. Women are a lot more open about being queer here. I've never been to Amsterdam but I'd love to visit. There's gotta be a reason why they were first to legalize same sex marriage. And Belgium came soon after. There's something nice going on in the Benelux region. 1
Frozen99 Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 42 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Finland! Lol. So that's why I was a bit defensive in earlier posts here, saying that this is all coming from one party and not really representative of the country. Women in general and young people here are much more accepting of minorities. But as a gay guy I don't think Finland is good for gay men. Maybe a bit in Helsinki. But even there there's only a couple of gay clubs and that's it. Not a real scene. Women are a lot more open about being queer here. I've never been to Amsterdam but I'd love to visit. There's gotta be a reason why they were first to legalize same sex marriage. And Belgium came soon after. There's something nice going on in the Benelux region. oh you're right at the source haha i mean pretty same thing goes for czechia, there's a big gay scene in prague but not much anywhere else, tho i hold my hands with my bf everywhere and nothing ever happened, some dirty looks but idc enough to look back. you def have to, besides the fact it's an absolutely stunning city architecture-wise, the ppl there are just oozing freedom, everyone is so chill, i guess it's the weed haha bikes everyhwere so cool. i'm headed to belgium first time ever for a myléne farmer concert so i'll see if it's the same there
Sannie Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 Countries all over the world watching the **** show that was Trump and being like, "maybe we should try that". If history shows us anything, it is that there is always a shift back and forth. We may be in for a time where everything shifts to the extreme conservative side for a little while. And that is scary because these people have shown themselves to be very Nazi-ish.
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