more cultural impact- lemonade or lover?

[MingYouToo]

No MPG album has actually made any difference in the culture significantly since The Fame lets be for ******* real.

 

Nothing shifted in the real world long term when 21 came out, when 1989 came out, when ST came out, when TUN came out and so on and so forth.

 

Lemonade was jumping on the already growing counterculture of anti police sentiment/anti police brutality, the feminist movement and the racial consciousness/sensitivity issues in the U.S.. It didnt change any of these movements, just partook in it.

 

Was Beyoncé shifted as a figure? Absolutely. she became polarized and well talked about even further esp in BIPOC spaces.

 

Did LEMONADE shift the culture? Absolutely not. Her Formation performance got people talking, and yts angry sure. But nothing about that had cultural impact. They were angry she supported an idea, not the body of work LMND itself.

 

Pop albums in general on this site are overstated in their actual impact. 95% of popgirls dont have any albums that have actual cultural impact lmfao lets not conflate controversy =|= impact.

 

The only actual MPG albums to have any semblance of cultural impact are the Like A Virgin, The Bodyguard, Erotica, Like a Prayer, Rhythm Nation, BOMT/OIDIA and The Fame. Anything after that is when the monoculture died out hence no one can ever have that lasting conversation about an album.

[littlebodybigheart]

neither tbh. but i voted lover over that overrated album

[Badgalbriel]

None of those are cultural impactful. Lemonade is forgotten and Lover is just a normal pop album. 

[mael]

Hmm, not sure what constitutes as "cultural impact". All I know is that Cruel Summer alone is outstreaming the entirety of Lemonade.

 

 

[Steve Johnson]

Lenonade is completely forgotten. So Lover 

[Winged]

Lover and impact where?

[My Tears Ricochet]

Isn't Lover almost outstreaming Beyonce's entire discography daily?

 

[Mordecai]

ST and Lemonade alone outdoes Taylor's career 

[bijonse]

1 hour ago, MingYouToo said:

No MPG album has actually made any difference in the culture significantly since The Fame lets be for ******* real.

 

Nothing shifted in the real world long term when 21 came out, when 1989 came out, when ST came out, when TUN came out and so on and so forth.

 

Lemonade was jumping on the already growing counterculture of anti police sentiment/anti police brutality, the feminist movement and the racial consciousness/sensitivity issues in the U.S.. It didnt change any of these movements, just partook in it.

 

Was Beyoncé shifted as a figure? Absolutely. she became polarized and well talked about even further esp in BIPOC spaces.

 

Did LEMONADE shift the culture? Absolutely not. Her Formation performance got people talking, and yts angry sure. But nothing about that had cultural impact. They were angry she supported an idea, not the body of work LMND itself.

 

Pop albums in general on this site are overstated in their actual impact. 95% of popgirls dont have any albums that have actual cultural impact lmfao lets not conflate controversy =|= impact.

 

The only actual MPG albums to have any semblance of cultural impact are the Like A Virgin, The Bodyguard, Erotica, Like a Prayer, Rhythm Nation, BOMT/OIDIA and The Fame. Anything after that is when the monoculture died out hence no one can ever have that lasting conversation about an album.

Self titled and lemonade had cultural impact though, there are college courses on lemonade and self titled is why musicians release on fridays. 21 as well. Why are swifties bringing up streams in here though? OP already said we know which one is more successful

[Love4Janet]

Neither

[KOMH]

Lover had no cultural impact whatsoever. The fact that it was touted as a palate cleanser by the artist that released it should automatically exclude it from this conversation as well as any comparison with actually impactful albums.

 

Lemonade wins and by a wide margin too.

[burninredhot]

Lover aged much better 

[Odette Violet]

Idk about cultural impact but Miss Giselle Knowles devoured that Formation Superbowl performance. A herstory  

Edited July 9, 2023 by Odette Violet

[Anthropocene]

Lemonade had a bigger cultural impact.

 

Taylor proclaiming "hey kids, spelling is fun!" does not have the cultural impact that certain stans think it does.

[Rino]

Beyonce made Lemonade with culture in her mind while Lover had none of that, it was just a standard pop record. I feel like the OP is trolling with this thread 

[Sonny]

I hate Lemonade but comparing it to Lover is embarrassing. 

 

 

[FSXP]

Because the usual suspects focus so much on streams, the impact of Lemonade will probably be downplayed but honestly there is so much post-2016 that might not have seen success if not because of Lemonade. I mean, the song that blocked Lovers singles from #1 (Old Town Road) was propelled to major success because of controversy that Country was not inclusive to non-white artists which was a conversation woken up recently because of Daddy Lessons and the controversy surrounding it. Or, This Is America which went #1 after Formation who many recognized as having similar goals. And though it was coming, the introspective matter of Lem’s lyrics, definitely pushed R&B to become more of that style quicker than it was moving. 

[Rotunda]

The Bey-Jay cheating drama, Black Panther Super Bowl controversy, and Formation MV cop protest hold more cultural value than a fairly run-of-the-mill pop album, but I must admit I’ve kinda grown tired of the cultural impact discussion since a lot of us belong to siloed subcultures where we may not be able to recognize why/how albums are important to demographics beyond our own. 

[Devin]

The non-Black users saying Lemonade had no cultural impact – ofc you feel that way the target audience was the Black community lol.

[Havoc]

Lemomade because its message and themes are very well-known and referenced in pop culture. 

 

Lover is successful but not neccesarily impactful. 

[Outlaws]

  'Becky with the good hair' alone ends that other thing.

[Into The Void]

Its clearly Lemonade

 

Sales =/= impact

Edited July 9, 2023 by Insanity

[Into The Void]

23 minutes ago, Devin said:

The non-Black users saying Lemonade had no cultural impact – ofc you feel that way the target audience was the Black community lol.

U shoukd know by now the girls in here don't know the difference between sales and impact

[Marry The Gods]

Lemonade. I think Swifties are choosing Lover because of the performative You Need To Calm Down music video 

[CBC]

The only relevant thing about these albums that is still highly controversial and talked about today is ME! so i'd say lover