Sweden Quran burning sparks anger across Muslim world

[Cheers]

6 hours ago, Daddy said:

They gonna kill him. Also they burn **** all the time. I hate burning books cause its the definition of Nazi behavior but they ain't better. If they can burn rainbow flags others can burn a made up rule book. 

Exactly. They can’t keep picking and choosing.

[Embustera]

47 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

I told you "Hey Embustera, what's wrong, did you lose your hijab?" in reference to a joke I did to reply to this post:

 

"Arabs never colonized North Africa or Europe lol. Thats conquest. The West economically and politically exploited… basically everybody. And still do."

 

I said:

 

 

That joke was to appease to KatyPrismSpirit's empathy referencing 'Firework''s lyrics in regards to the Iran Protests situation.

 

Told you "just kidding" too but sorry if I came across rude.

I don’t accept your apology because it was not a joke you tried to intimidate me. 

[Mastamaind]

3 minutes ago, Embustera said:

I don’t accept your apology because it was not a joke you tried to intimidate me. 

I did not try to intimidate you, it was banter. If it came across as intimidation, again, I'm sorry.

[Robert]

14 hours ago, Mastamaind said:

Oh, right. () You should have put a little comma there because I read it as "muslim right", still, my bad.

 

Thankfully and coincidentally, that made me drive the point home because you were trying to say that because they're muslim, they're ok with all the rules of that bigotry book and they're only protesting at the government, but that government is theocratic (illegally) so they're also protesting at Islam. As if everyone that is muslim is fine with all the inhumane rules of those 7th century hateful propaganda texts.

 

They were raised on Islam so obviously they're muslim, they may be kind of conservative but that doesn't mean they're like a republican bigot and agree with all the bullsh*t from that book. Also, I'm fairly certain they would love Islam to go the Christianity/Catholicism route so they can be happy with their religion in 2023.

 

But they can't, 'cause it's not a religion, but a tool for evil muslim fascists to abuse and exploit their people.

 

A terrorist tool that has become a threat to the world and is already infiltrating (as the example I mentioned) Europe.

My point was that Muslims don’t all have the same viewpoint nor do the necessarily agree with actions of their government, as demonstrated by the millions who protested in Iran because they believe the hijab shouldn’t be mandatory. The Quran like all religious texts has different interpretations.

 

The idea that Muslims are ‘infiltrating’ Europe is a far-right conspiracy theory linked to the great replacement theory. 

[Mastamaind]

12 minutes ago, Robert said:

My point was that Muslims don’t all have the same viewpoint nor do the necessarily agree with actions of their government, as demonstrated by the millions who protested in Iran because they believe the hijab shouldn’t be mandatory. The Quran like all religious texts has different interpretations.

 

The idea that Muslims are ‘infiltrating’ Europe is a far-right conspiracy theory linked to the great replacement theory. 

Yeah, of course, there's a lot of lovely, just and progressive muslim people.

 

The problem is that there's a sizable amount of fascist muslim people, powerful and not so much, that are enacting a 21st century "colonization" attempt wherever the hell they can in the world.

 

How is it not infiltrating when they can buy the FIFA World Cup with oil money and (allegedly) kill LGBTQ people because their "religion" told them so?

Edited July 1, 2023 by Mastamaind

[Robert]

57 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

Yeah, of course, there's a lot of lovely, just and progressive muslim people.

 

The problem is that there's a sizable amount of fascist muslim people, powerful and not so much, that are enacting a 21st century "colonization" attempt wherever the hell they can in the world.

 

How is it not infiltrating when they can buy the FIFA World Cup with oil money and (allegedly) kill LGBTQ people because their "religion" told them so?

This is not infiltrating Europe though when none of these things are happening in Europe and most of the Muslims in Europe have limited political power. 

[Mastamaind]

6 hours ago, Robert said:

This is not infiltrating Europe though when none of these things are happening in Europe and most of the Muslims in Europe have limited political power. 

Isn't the FIFA an european association? Wasn't more important to assure everyone at the World Cup was gonna be safe? Why didn't the FIFA declined Qatar's offer in favor of human rights and host the games some place else? They didn't 'cause they were bought. One of the biggest cultural/sports events of Europe and the world hijacked by a country that can get the event-goers killed for being themselves.

 

That is infiltration to me.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Mastamaind

[Robert]

43 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

Isn't the FIFA an european association? Wasn't more important to assure everyone at the World Cup was gonna be safe? Why didn't the FIFA declined Qatar's offer in favor of human rights and host the games some place else? They didn't 'cause they were bought. One of the biggest cultural/sports events of Europe and the world hijacked by a country that can get the event-goers killed for being themselves.

 

That is inflitration to me.

FIFA is an international governing body with 6 regional subsidiaries covering every continent except Antarctica. The World Cup has a long history of being held in different countries from every continent (in fact it was tradition to play on a different continent for each cup at one point). If simply hosting the event is infiltration then South Africa, Colombia etc have also infiltrated Europe 
 

I hope you also keep this energy when the US (a country that has killed millions across the Middle East and the world) host the next World Cup in 2026. 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Robert

[Mastamaind]

37 minutes ago, Robert said:

FIFA is an international governing body with 6 regional subsidiaries covering every continent except Antarctica. The World Cup has a long history of being held in different countries from every continent (in fact it was tradition to play on a different continent for each cup at one point). If simply hosting the event is infiltration then South Africa, Colombia etc have also infiltrated Europe 
 

I hope you also keep this energy when the US (a country that has killed millions across the Middle East and the world) host the next World Cup in 2026. 

If your city/country can get event-goers killed, your city/country is not appropriate for the event, period. That's like hosting the World Cup in Sudan.

 

Islam is such a problem in 2023 that Qatar simply can't host an event like the World Cup and that's just the way it is (I know FIFA is international but it was founded in France). They cannot solve their human rights problems because they don't think it's a problem, because they think it's ok to kill LGBTQ people and that's absolutely not acceptable.

 

I am critical of US problems too, don't worry, the current ruling of the SCOTUS on the student debt relief plan is preposterous and if there's ever a problem on the US-hosted World Cup, I will be critical too.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Mastamaind

[Talento]

A hero of his time 

[Mr. Mendes]

On 6/30/2023 at 9:44 PM, Mastamaind said:

This is not about 9/11 at all, but these people are social terrorists, and unless they respect the livelihood and freedom of all people, including women and the LGBTQ community, they must be stopped.

I don't know maybe it's just me but i think making statements like this is pretty much putting you on equal footing with exactly what you're arguing against. How are you going to criticize something as social terrorism in one breath and then call for united action and implied erasure of a group of an entire group of people in the next?

Edited July 3, 2023 by Mr. Mendes

[Vixen Eyes]

On 6/29/2023 at 10:02 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said:

i think it’s hypocritical to allow Quran burnings in a liberal country but take legal action once someone burns a pride flag. Everyone should just respect each other and stop insulting each other for the sake of attention. This shouldnt be allowed in the first place. You can share criticism in a respectful way. Like burning a book that is memorized by 1/4th of the world would actually do something… smh

i just see book burning of almost any kind nowadays to be equal to the nazis burning books

[MardinBeksloy]

And that's for burning of pride flag (and all the abuse and killing of gay people in the Middle East) 

[Littlejfrey]

On 6/29/2023 at 9:33 AM, Riverbank said:

Iraq said the incident was "a reflection of a hateful aggressive spirit that has nothing to do with freedom of expression."

Oh, but when people act homophobic it's their freedom of speech right? 

[TiaTamera]

On 6/29/2023 at 10:14 AM, Mastamaind said:

I'm really really really sorry, I honestly do wish well for all muslim people, totally, wanted to specify that before saying the next thing:

 

Unless Islam goes the christianity/catholicism route and opens up and gets with the times, as in, for example, give women equal rights as men and stop the bigotry against the LGBTQ, it is absolutely not a religion but a hateful ideology.

 

I'm sorry but that hateful ideology is threatening to women, the LGBTQ and even muslim men, so huge props to that iraqi guy. Let's burn some more. 

 

Also, again, sorry but f*ck Islam, the livelihood and freedom of people is light years more important than your ancient bigotry book.

Women and men already have similar rights in Islam. The only real difference is that men can have 4 wives. All other rights that men have “over” women is specifically because men are meant to protect and provide. Men and women are not equal, we aren’t same. Equitable rights are far more important than equal rights and Islam has equitable rights.

[VOSS]

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STOCKHOLM, July 6 (Reuters) - The Swedish government is examining whether it could make setting the Koran or other holy books on fire illegal, as recent Koran burnings have damaged Sweden's security, Justice Minister Gunnar Strommer told Aftonbladet paper on Thursday.

 

The police denied several applications earlier this year for protests that were set to include burning the Koran, citing security concerns, but courts have since overturned the police's decisions, saying such acts are protected by Sweden's far-reaching freedom of speech laws.

Sweden's minister of justice said on Thursday that the government is analysing the situation and whether the law needs to be changed.

 

"We have to ask ourselves whether the current order is good or whether there is reason to reconsider it," Strommer told Aftonbladet.

 

"We can see that the Koran burning last week has generated threats to our internal security," he said.

 

The incident has also damaged Sweden's bid to join NATO, with Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan saying his country cannot ratify Sweden's application before Koran burnings are stopped.

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[Riverbank]

5 hours ago, VOSS said:

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The fact that they wouldn’t even consider making it illegal if it wasn't for the backlash it caused and problems with NATO... I know that’s how the world works, but infringing on free speech laws because of political gain is a such a low thing to do. I personally don't agree with book burning but the gvt should not be regulating issues like these.

[Aethereal]

You could buy a coke and a pizza instead, with the money used to buy the religious book and the lighter (for burning). 

Or a great history book. Whatever I guess. 

[The7thStranger]

On 6/29/2023 at 4:14 PM, Mastamaind said:

Unless Islam goes the christianity/catholicism route and opens up and gets with the times, as in, for example, give women equal rights as men and stop the bigotry against the LGBTQ, it is absolutely not a religion but a hateful ideology.

This never happened.

[ugo]

30 minutes ago, The7thStranger said:

This never happened.

I am not religious but Christianity is more open 

[The7thStranger]

35 minutes ago, ugo said:

I am not religious but Christianity is more open 

You’re conflating the religion with people who practice. Neither religion is open to homosexuality.

[ugo]

2 minutes ago, The7thStranger said:

You’re conflating the religion with people who practice. Neither religion is open to homosexuality.

Well islam conflate religion and people who practice it.

 

The leader of the Catholic Church did support homosexualiy 

 

 

[The7thStranger]

1 minute ago, ugo said:

Well islam conflate religion and people who practice it.

 

The leader of the Catholic Church did support homosexualiy 

 

 

I’d be intrigued to know where you live. I don’t see a lot of tolerance for queerness in religious spaces. What I see is that tolerance increases where religion has massively lost societal influence.

[ugo]

8 minutes ago, The7thStranger said:

I’d be intrigued to know where you live. I don’t see a lot of tolerance for queerness in religious spaces. What I see is that tolerance increases where religion has massively lost societal influence.

The same Islamic places that have strict rules against homosexuality allows other behaviour prohibited by the shariah so in the end most islamic states are just hypocritical

 

[The7thStranger]

26 minutes ago, ugo said:

The same Islamic places that have strict rules against homosexuality allows other behaviour prohibited by the shariah so in the end most islamic states are just hypocritical

 

But one could argue this is the same in places that are highly entrenched in any religion. This is not a specific problem with Islam. Just imagine how the world would look if the Westboro Baptist Church had its way.

 

I'm from two countries (and live in a third), one of which is Italy. And over the past year, the right-wing government there has done whatever it can to destroy queer rights and push people back into the closet in the name of God. The same this is happening in the United States. Christianity has not become more tolerant. In certain areas of the world, Christians have looser ties with their religion and with the church and are more tolerant than perhaps the generation that came before them. But the religion itself? Not nearly to the degree that I would like to see.

 

And just for reference, I have had both the Christians and Muslims in my life stick up for me and queer people. The Muslim co-workers I had donated when I did a plunge to raise money for the Gay Men's Domestic Violence Project. And my very partner's Catholic family has been very accepting of us and don't judge us. But on both sides, neither sets of people are religious fanatics and were able to determine opinions outside of a religious context.

Edited July 8, 2023 by The7thStranger