Sweden Quran burning sparks anger across Muslim world

[Robert]

16 hours ago, Mastamaind said:

I feel like your heart is in the right place but could you read this please?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests

 

Like what is your take on this? How would you like the world to react to Islam after something like the Tiananmen massacre has happened very recently (hasn't been over a year) thanks to that "religion" (it's not)?

 

(No disrespect for muslims, as people, as I already stated before in this thread)

You realise most of the people protesting against the Iranian government were actually Muslim, right?  Women burning their hijabs to protest against their government and fight for their rights is in no way equivalent to antagonising a group with almost no political power in Sweden. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Robert

[Mastamaind]

15 minutes ago, Robert said:

You realise most of the people protesting against the Iranian government were actually Muslim right?  Women burning their hijabs to protest against their government and fight for their rights is in no way equivalent to antagonising a group with almost no political power in Sweden. 

Why do you make a false equivalence between the "muslim right" and women burning their hijabs? No, they're not the same.

 

What you think constitutes the right, say, in the US, like a republican bigot, is not the same as what you would think is the "muslim right" in Iran. They may have conservative values as they were raised with them in the nature of their conservative society, but it doesn't mean they agree with the islamic dress code that kills people in their country.

 

"Group with no political power"? Tell that to the french teacher that was killed in 2020 because he showed some cartoons of a person from that ancient bigotry book.

 

This is not about 9/11 at all, but these people are social terrorists, and unless they respect the livelihood and freedom of all people, including women and the LGBTQ community, they must be stopped.

[Robert]

2 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

Why do you make a false equivalence between the "muslim right" and women burning their hijabs? No, they're not the same.

 

What you think constitutes the right, say, in the US, like a republican bigot, is not the same as what you would think is the "muslim right" in Iran. They may have conservative values as they were raised with them in the nature of their conservative society, but it doesn't mean they agree with the islamic dress code that kills people in their country.

 

"Group with no political power"? Tell that to the french teacher that was killed in 2020 because he showed some cartoons of a person from that ancient bigotry book.

 

This is not about 9/11 at all, but these people are social terrorists, and unless they respect the livelihood and freedom of all people, including women and the LGBTQ community, they must be stopped.

I was using right for emphasis not calling them right wing... 

[Mastamaind]

5 hours ago, Robert said:

I was using right for emphasis not calling them right wing... 

Oh, right. () You should have put a little comma there because I read it as "muslim right", still, my bad.

 

Thankfully and coincidentally, that made me drive the point home because you were trying to say that because they're muslim, they're ok with all the rules of that bigotry book and they're only protesting at the government, but that government is theocratic (illegally) so they're also protesting at Islam. As if everyone that is muslim is fine with all the inhumane rules of those 7th century hateful propaganda texts.

 

They were raised on Islam so obviously they're muslim, they may be kind of conservative but that doesn't mean they're like a republican bigot and agree with all the bullsh*t from that book. Also, I'm fairly certain they would love Islam to go the Christianity/Catholicism route so they can be happy with their religion in 2023.

 

But they can't, 'cause it's not a religion, but a tool for evil muslim fascists to abuse and exploit their people.

 

A terrorist tool that has become a threat to the world and is already infiltrating (as the example I mentioned) Europe.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Mastamaind

[Lagerfeld]

If Muslims can set fire to the LGBTQIA++ flag then all is fair game.

[A.R.L]

21 hours ago, Embustera said:

Maybe you should read an history book, because most Moroccans are still Imazighen

Imazighen whose lands and property were stolen by force in the name of religion, these are the same people who are still fighting till this day, for recognition in their OWN land which includes having their own language as the official language instead of just Arabic, and I'm not even going to talk about the problem they face when choosing pure Berber names instead of Arabic names or when they don’t want to recognize islam as their own religion. But but but it’s only conquest, it’s not colonization 

[Embustera]

5 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

Imazighen whose lands and property were stolen by force in the name of religion, these are the same people who are still fighting till this day, for recognition in their OWN land which includes having their own language as the official language instead of just Arabic, and I'm not even going to talk about the problem they face when choosing pure Berber names instead of Arabic names or when they don’t want to recognize islam as their own religion. But but but it’s only conquest, it’s not colonization 

Tamazight is an official language in Morocco since 2011. The use of the word “Berber” is very insensitive. You clearly have no knowledge about this subject.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Embustera

[Riverbank]

32 minutes ago, Embustera said:

Tamazight is an official language in Morocco since 2011. The use of the word “Berber” is very insensitive. You clearly have no knowledge about this subject.

Denying all of the atrocities the natives faced in their own land at the hand of Muslim conquerors is even more insensitive

[A.R.L]

9 minutes ago, Embustera said:

Tamazight is an official language in Morocco since 2011. The use of the word “Berber” is very insensitive. You clearly have no knowledge about this subject.

Do you know how many years they fought (and still fight) for it until Tamazight was finally recognized as an official language in 2011? And wait, even after that, it's just something on paper and some places here and there but in real life Arabic is still the dominant language, in media, administrations, schools, etc... And that’s why I mentioned before these people are still fighting to have their own language and heritage recognized in their OWN land.

 

Also, the Berbers are not only in Morocco, we also have the Kabyle people in Algeria, which is a great example of a minority that is still suffering from this conquest which tries to annihilate their entire heritage.

 

Do you know how many Berbers in North Africa have been refused Berber names for themselves and their newborns which are names of other gods in their ancestral religions or any name that doesn't sound Arabic either? You haven't heard about it, have you? Yeah, because they are a minority in their OWN land. Nobody cares.
 

Not to mention the fact that they can't even claim other rules instead of the religious  rules of the invaders which the Berbers don't want to follow.

 

You are the one who knows nothing because the last time I checked history, the Arab invasion would have reached France also in the name of religion if the French had not won the battle of tours. Stop the hypocrisy. Don't be partial to one group while criticizing the other. 

[Daddy]

They gonna kill him. Also they burn **** all the time. I hate burning books cause its the definition of Nazi behavior but they ain't better. If they can burn rainbow flags others can burn a made up rule book. 

[Embustera]

11 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

Do you know how many years they fought (and still fight) for it until Tamazight was finally recognized as an official language in 2011? And wait, even after that, it's just something on paper and some places here and there but in real life Arabic is still the dominant language, in media, administrations, schools, etc... And that’s why I mentioned before these people are still fighting to have their own language and heritage recognized in their OWN land.

 

Also, the Berbers are not only in Morocco, we also have the Kabyle people in Algeria, which is a great example of a minority that is still suffering from this conquest which tries to annihilate their entire heritage.

 

Do you know how many Berbers in North Africa have been refused Berber names for themselves and their newborns which are names of other gods in their ancestral religions or any name that doesn't sound Arabic either? You haven't heard about it, have you? Yeah, because they are a minority in their OWN land. Nobody cares.
 

Not to mention the fact that they can't even claim other rules instead of the religious  rules of the invaders which the Berbers don't want to follow.

 

You are the one who knows nothing because the last time I checked history, the Arab invasion would have reached France also in the name of religion if the French had not won the battle of tours. Stop the hypocrisy. Don't be partial to one group while criticizing the other. 

Don’t quote me again. You use the word “Berber” again. Bye uneducated mess.

[Riverbank]

Is land grabbing and cultural genocide really something to laugh about? @Embustera

[Embustera]

33 minutes ago, Riverbank said:

Is land grabbing and cultural genocide really something to laugh about? @Embustera

Ask your ancestors. They were pros at it.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Embustera

[A.R.L]

1 hour ago, Embustera said:

Don’t quote me again. You use the word “Berber” again. Bye uneducated mess.

You’re done 

[Riverbank]

1 hour ago, Embustera said:

Ask your ancestors. They were pros at it.

Who did the native people of Morocco rob? Please enlighten me  since all your arguments in this thread seem to be very constructive

Edited July 1, 2023 by Riverbank

[Mastamaind]

5 hours ago, Embustera said:

Tamazight is an official language in Morocco since 2011. The use of the word “Berber” is very insensitive. You clearly have no knowledge about this subject.

"Berber, self-name Amazigh, plural Imazighen, any of the descendants of the pre-Arab inhabitants of North Africa. The Berbers live in scattered communities across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Niger, and Mauritania. They speak various Amazigh languages belonging to the Afro-Asiatic family related to ancient Egyptian."

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Berber

 

 

[Embustera]

6 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

"Berber, self-name Amazigh, plural Imazighen, any of the descendants of the pre-Arab inhabitants of North Africa. The Berbers live in scattered communities across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Niger, and Mauritania. They speak various Amazigh languages belonging to the Afro-Asiatic family related to ancient Egyptian."

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Berber

 

 

“Berber” comes from the word barbarian.
 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Embustera

[Mastamaind]

1 minute ago, Embustera said:

“Berber” comes from the word barbarian.
 

Is etymology more important than legally recognizing a native language in "conquered" land? 

[Embustera]

1 minute ago, Mastamaind said:

Is etymology more important than legally recognizing a native language in "conquered" land? 

You are repeating yourself. 

[Mastamaind]

Just now, Embustera said:

You are repeating yourself. 

You're saying nothing at all, and that nothing is kinda hateful.

[Embustera]

3 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

You're saying nothing at all, and that nothing is kinda hateful.

You are the one who use a racial slur, but I am hateful? 💀 

[Mastamaind]

1 minute ago, Embustera said:

You are the one who use a racial slur, but I am hateful? 💀 

You dismissed A.R.L's solid points over semantics, kinda like arabs did with tamazight up until 2011. So yeah, hateful.

[Embustera]

Just now, Mastamaind said:

You dismissed A.R.L's solid points over semantics, kinda like arabs did with tamazight up until 2011. So yeah, hateful.

Boy bye. You know what hateful was, your message in my inbox this morning. 

[Riverbank]

11 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

You dismissed A.R.L's solid points over semantics, kinda like arabs did with tamazight up until 2011. So yeah, hateful.

Obviously. They're literally doing anything to avoid addressing the issue at hand. At this point I would simply ignore and move on.

[Mastamaind]

I told you "Hey Embustera, what's wrong, did you lose your hijab?" in reference to a joke I did to reply to this post:

 

"Arabs never colonized North Africa or Europe lol. Thats conquest. The West economically and politically exploited… basically everybody. And still do."

 

I said:

 

On 6/30/2023 at 7:17 AM, Mastamaind said:

Iran for starters?

 

But ok drag me, I'm busy, wanna have a full fledged discussion? Take the Iran protests seriously and I'll do if you want to 

 

Btw, have you ever lost your plastic hijab?

 

That joke was to appease to KatyPrismSpirit's empathy referencing 'Firework''s lyrics in regards to the Iran Protests situation.

 

Told you "just kidding" too but sorry if I came across rude.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Mastamaind