Sweden Quran burning sparks anger across Muslim world

[EtherealCat]

its a little scary that people can get so worked up over a book

[Aren]

4 hours ago, onapearl said:

I wonder if this man was a religious minority back in Iraq. Non-Muslims in that region get treated pretty terribly, so I wonder if that's why he feels strongly enough to do this. That said, if he goes through with it, then I fear for his life.

He’s Assyrian, yes. Assyrians are the indigenous people of Iraq. Assyrians and Yazidis have been treated horribly  by Iraqi Muslims, to the point they have been completely ethnically cleansed from their homeland.

[Aren]

3 hours ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

 

That's why Christianity is mocked in the west, not for fun but because Christian elected officials routinely try to eliminate demos from the map.

 

It's done largely in opposition to christian attempts at fascism. Not because a christian said someone was going to hell or threatened eternal damnation.

 

Until Muslims get to be an elected block that affects people's rights, no one outside the rightwing(who hate all minorities) cares to make political messages against them because they're basically irrelevant(luckily.)

The far-right is actually embracing Muslims, since they both share the same conservative values.

[A.R.L]

11 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

i think it’s hypocritical to allow Quran burnings in a liberal country but take legal action once someone burns a pride flag. Everyone should just respect each other and stop insulting each other for the sake of attention. This shouldnt be allowed in the first place. You can share criticism in a respectful way. Like burning a book that is memorized by 1/4th of the world would actually do something… smh

What is this comparison? 
 

The pride flag represents a group of people who are called persecuted minorities in some countries because of this same book we are talking about ... A book that isn’t a science book, but instead spreading hatred against those minorities is an ideological book that can be criticized or burned or whatever by anyone who feels threatened or hated because of it, that’s why it’s called freedom of expression because those minorities have suffered a lot because of that 

Edited June 30, 2023 by A.R.L

[Communion]

7 hours ago, Aren said:

The far-right is actually embracing Muslims

Sweden is already far-right:

 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

1 hour ago, A.R.L said:

What is this comparison? 
 

The pride flag represents a group of people who are called persecuted minorities in some countries because of this same book we are talking about ... A book that isn’t a science book, but instead spreading hatred against those minorities is an ideological book that can be criticized or burned or whatever by anyone who feels threatened or hated because of it, that’s why it’s called freedom of expression because those minorities have suffered a lot because of that 

Burning Qurans and pride flags are both bad and don't really need any justification... these aren't the victimization Olympics. Do you seriously not think muslims aren't persecuted minorities and suffered from liberalism in the past?? How about muslims remain muslims, which is their right, and people stop waging war on this group of people for not really doing anything. These burning stunts only happen for political reasonings and to gain attention from far right supporters. It does much more harm than good. You can 100% share your critisisms of Islam without burning stuff. And just because Islam is an ideology and the Quran is "a book" does not give you the right to disrespect it. Hence my comparison that it would also not be okay to burn a pride flag because it's "just a flag". 

[Mastamaind]

5 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Burning Qurans and pride flags are both bad and don't really need any justification... these aren't the victimization Olympics. Do you seriously not think muslims aren't persecuted minorities and suffered from liberalism in the past?? How about muslims remain muslims, which is their right, and people stop waging war on this group of people for not really doing anything. These burning stunts only happen for political reasonings and to gain attention from far right supporters. It does much more harm than good. You can 100% share your critisisms of Islam without burning stuff. And just because Islam is an ideology and the Quran is "a book" does not give you the right to disrespect it. Hence my comparison that it would also not be okay to burn a pride flag because it's "just a flag". 

I feel like your heart is in the right place but could you read this please?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests

 

Like what is your take on this? How would you like the world to react to Islam after something like the Tiananmen massacre has happened very recently (hasn't been over a year) thanks to that "religion" (it's not)?

 

(No disrespect for muslims, as people, as I already stated before in this thread)

[KatyPrismSpirit]

2 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

I feel like your heart is in the right place but could you read this please?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests

 

Like what is your take on this? How would you like the world to react to Islam after something like the Tiananmen massacre has happened very recently (hasn't been over a year) thanks to that "religion" (it's not)?

 

(No disrespect for muslims, as people, as I already stated before in this thread)

The killing of Mahsa Amini is not because of Islam and doesn't have anything to do with Islam as a religion... It is ridiculous to link unlawful murder of an individual to Islam as a religion, especially since Islam does not state that women shall be murdered for not wearing proper hijab. This comment is only exposing your ignorance on this topic and contributes to spreading negative stereotypes of muslim people. The things that you mentioned mostly happened as a result of corrupt governing, which in itself is a direct result of the West colonizing and infiltrating the Middle East with the intend to spread chaos.

[Mastamaind]

1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

The killing of Mahsa Amini is not because of Islam and doesn't have anything to do with Islam as a religion... It is ridiculous to link unlawful murder of an individual to Islam as a religion, especially since Islam does not state that women shall be murdered for not wearing proper hijab. This comment is only exposing your ignorance on this topic and contributes to spreading negative stereotypes of muslim people. The things that you mentioned mostly happened as a result of corrupt governing, which in itself is a direct result of the West colonizing and infiltrating the Middle East with the intend to spread chaos.

Oh wow! I expected a more empathetic response from you.

 

So as dismissive as you were, let me just say:

 

Are hijabs not related to Islam? (No Katy shade).

[KatyPrismSpirit]

14 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

I feel like your heart is in the right place but could you read this please?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests

 

Like what is your take on this? How would you like the world to react to Islam after something like the Tiananmen massacre has happened very recently (hasn't been over a year) thanks to that "religion" (it's not)?

 

(No disrespect for muslims, as people, as I already stated before in this thread)

When will you learn that Muslims and the Middle East aren't synonymous? Most muslims on Earth aren't even arabs. The entire political landscape of the Middle East is either occupation by the West, corruption or monarchies that have been introduced because of political alliances with non-Islamic nations. The methodology of how the Middle East has been established is not even allowed in Islam. Why would I care about the worlds views on Islam if the majority of people criticizing Islam can't even give a proper definition of very basic Islamic rulings or be ignorant enough to think the political landscape of Middle Eastern nations represent religon lol.

[KatyPrismSpirit]

1 minute ago, Mastamaind said:

 

 

Are hijabs not related to Islam? (No Katy shade).

Hijabs are related to Islam? That is basic common sense. However, you referred to a unlawful murder of a woman who did not wear hijab properly. That is not related to Islam. Islam specifically states that women that aren't muslim do not have to wear hijabs in the first place. A murder that was allowed to happen because of a corrupt nation is not related to Islam. 

[Margaux]

qu’ran was written by a problematic person tho. 

[Mastamaind]

11 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Hijabs are related to Islam? That is basic common sense. However, you referred to a unlawful murder of a woman who did not wear hijab properly. That is not related to Islam. Islam specifically states that women that aren't muslim do not have to wear hijabs in the first place. A murder that was allowed to happen because of a corrupt nation is not related to Islam. 

"A murder that was allowed to happen because of a corrupt (theocratic, as in governed by religion, that "one" being Islam) nation is not related to Islam."

 

Corrected that for you leaving your logical mistake (don't mean to sound like a smartass). 

 

Do you know the implications of a theocracy? Those "religious" rules killed all those people. Like your empathy towards Islam seems performative at this point, sorry no hate towards you.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Mastamaind

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Just now, Mastamaind said:

"A murder that was allowed to happen because of a corrupt (theocratic, as in governed by religion, that "one" being Islam) nation is not related to Islam."

 

Corrected that for you. 

 

Do you know the implications of a theocracy? Those "religious" rules killed all those people. Like your empathy towards Islam seems performative at this point, sorry no hate towards you.

That is my point. Iran does not rule from Islam. Lol. It actually has more political inclinations with Western and Russian law than it has Islamic Sha’riah law. Currently there isn’t a single Islamic nation in the world. You are proving my point that this was a direct result of corrupt governance, because you can not “base” a rule on Islamic Shariah law. Its either Shariah law or its not. Being in between and “Islam-washing” your rulings is quite literally corruption. Because it is then based on human desires moreso than Islam as an objective. 

[Mastamaind]

3 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

That is my point. Iran does not rule from Islam. Lol. It actually has more political inclinations with Western and Russian law than it has Islamic Sha’riah law. Currently there isn’t a single Islamic nation in the world. You are proving my point that this was a direct result of corrupt governance, because you can not “base” a rule on Islamic Shariah law. Its either Shariah law or its not. Being in between and “Islam-washing” your rulings is quite literally corruption. Because it is then based on human desires moreso than Islam as an objective. 

Dude, sorry but you sound like a corrupt congressman.

 

So because a DL "straight" likes to suck c*ck, it means he's not attracted to men?

 

What's your point really? Defending an islamic dress code that kills people? Yeah, China is a democracy too (sarcasm).

Edited June 30, 2023 by Mastamaind

[KatyPrismSpirit]

3 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

Do you know the implications of a theocracy? Those "religious" rules killed all those people. Like your empathy towards Islam seems performative at this point, sorry no hate towards you.

I have empathy towards Islam because people that lack intellect or constantly expose their ignorant stances, spreading lies about Islam, are playing an unfair game. You shouldn’t debate something you know nothing about. Both you and those right-wing politicians burning Qurans. I’m not saying that there aren’t certain aspects of Islam that are hugely debatable, but you and many others constantly share incredibly ignorant misconceptions about Islam by linking it to the political landscape of the Middle East. That just isn’t a valid argument.

[velocity]

i don't see the issue **** religion

[Mastamaind]

1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

I have empathy towards Islam because people that lack intellect or constantly expose their ignorant stances, spreading lies about Islam, are playing an unfair game. You shouldn’t debate something you know nothing about. Both you and those right-wing politicians burning Qurans. I’m not saying that there aren’t certain aspects of Islam that are hugely debatable, but you and many others constantly share incredibly ignorant misconceptions about Islam by linking it to the political landscape of the Middle East. That just isn’t a valid argument.

You do have points, but you also don't. I think I made myself clear, have a good day.

[KatyPrismSpirit]

2 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

You do have points, but you also don't. I think I made myself clear, have a good day.

you actually did not make yourself clear at all. I disproved your tired argument three times and you realize you dont have a single paw to stand on. like i said, be informed when you want to argue about Islam because using the political landscape of the middle east an argument to burn Qurans is the dumbest thing i have seen in a long while.

[Mastamaind]

4 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

you actually did not make yourself clear at all. I disproved your tired argument three times and you realize you dont have a single paw to stand on. like i said, be informed when you want to argue about Islam because using the political landscape of the middle east an argument to burn Qurans is the dumbest thing i have seen in a long while.

Noted.

 

I do think others in this thread may have understood me better. This is a forum after all. Have a nice day.

[Riverbank]

1 hour ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Most muslims on Earth aren't even arabs.

Since you're so keen on blaming everything on Western colonization, care to remind the class how Islam spread to non-Arab regions in the first place? It wasn't all roses and daisies I can tell you that 

[A.R.L]

7 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Burning Qurans and pride flags are both bad and don't really need any justification... these aren't the victimization Olympics. Do you seriously not think muslims aren't persecuted minorities and suffered from liberalism in the past?? How about muslims remain muslims, which is their right, and people stop waging war on this group of people for not really doing anything. These burning stunts only happen for political reasonings and to gain attention from far right supporters. It does much more harm than good. You can 100% share your critisisms of Islam without burning stuff. And just because Islam is an ideology and the Quran is "a book" does not give you the right to disrespect it. Hence my comparison that it would also not be okay to burn a pride flag because it's "just a flag". 

1 - Pride flags are burned to show hatred against people just for being who they are... The quran is being burned to tell these people to stop their ignorance against homosexuals, or whatever the reason behind the protester being hurt or threatened, do you see the difference now? No one burns pride flags because they are hated for it or because they feel threatened, but it’s because they feel disgusted with someone for simply being themselves.

 

Even then, when the pride flag is burnt, no one moves, people aren’t that sensitive over a flag. Meanwhile, when a book is criticized or burned that can get people killed, it really shows that something isn’t  right in the mind of these people.

 
2- No one is against muslims being muslims, which is why Sweden allowed them to have a mosque where they pray, but if someone is going to implement things from the 7th century (including the anti gay hatred) or try to make changes in another society that clearly refuses, then it’s not their right to do so

Edited June 30, 2023 by A.R.L

[Gwendolyn]

This is a odd thing to do even if you have the legal right to do so, putting yourself and your family in danger to make a statement is stupid.

 

There's ways to criticize a religion without burning a holy book 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

21 minutes ago, Riverbank said:

Since you're so keen on blaming everything on Western colonization, care to remind the class how Islam spread to non-Arab regions in the first place? It wasn't all roses and daisies I can tell you that 

Arabs never colonized North Africa or Europe lol. Thats conquest. The West economically and politically exploited… basically everybody. And still do.

[KatyPrismSpirit]

11 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

1 - Pride flags are burned to show hatred against people just for being who they are... The quran is being burned to tell these people to stop their ignorance against homosexuals, or whatever the reason behind the protester being hurt or threatened, do you see the difference now? No one burns flags because they are hated for it or because they feel threatened, but it’s because they feel disgusted with someone for simply being themselves.

 

Even then, when the pride flag is burnt, no one moves, people aren’t that sensitive over a flag. Meanwhile, when a book is criticized or burned that can get people killed, it really shows that something isn’t  right in the mind of these people.

 
2- No one is against muslims being muslims, which is why Sweden allowed them to have a mosque where they pray, but if someone is going to implement things from the 7th century (including the anti gay hatred) or try to make changes in another society that clearly refuses, then it’s not their right to do so

What are you talking about? Muslims dont want to implement Islam in Europe💀💀. This is an obnoxious right wing politician burning their holy book because he hates muslims. There is no muslim who wants to implement Islam in European law… Thats literally the most basic islamophobic propaganda ever… even worse than the previous user not being able to differentiate the current state of middle east and Islam. Lolz.

 

I dont see any muslims in Europe burning pride flags in front of governmental buildings. That isn’t happening on a big scale. Like I said liberals and muslims dont accept each other because their world views are inherently contradictory. Just leave each other be and remain polite. Disagreeing isnt a valid excuse to burn their holy book end of story.