More impact: Teenage Dream or 1989

[k4rmabutterfly]

I definitely think the 1989 era was inspired by Teenage Dream, not exactly the sound of the album but the marketing and ESPECIALLY the music videos, it felt to me like TS team (or Taylor herself) wanted her to compete with Katy in the pop world so they literally followed Katy’s blueprint. I can see some inspiration too in other albums and eras like Nicki’s Pink Friday, Ariana’s My Everything and Meghan Trainor’s Title. Sonically I can see Teenage Dream being more & more impactful as the years go by and the early 10’s sound and aesthetic ressurges. It’s definitely the album that represents the best the sound of that era. So Teenage Dream ig… I think Taylor’s most impactful albums are Fearless and folklore.

[collin]

2 minutes ago, halcyonday said:

I'm sorry honey, but how was Katy faceless? She's one of the girls that the GP just KNOWS. Teenage Dream Katy was the quirky and HOT pop girl that was naked on a pink cloud and was shooting cream from her boobs. She has never been faceless. 

 

She was a generic placeholder popstar. There’s a reason she plummeted hard and fast while her contemporaries did not.

[k4rmabutterfly]

Just now, collin said:

She was a generic placeholder popstar. There’s a reason she plummeted hard and fast while her contemporaries did not.

She literally declined because she changed her aesthetic tho. 

[collin]

2 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

She literally declined because she changed her aesthetic tho. 

We can argue all day as to why. I think it’s because she is nonunique and was viewed as disposable.  Others might say it’s because Dr. Luke left the chat. Either way the GP said NO.

[kimberly]

8 minutes ago, ptolemaea said:

+ started lyric videos tbh

wait... I remember being so gagged when this dropped 

 

 

[halcyonday]

4 minutes ago, collin said:

Re: Katy’s songwriting— totally, she has a thing going on. But that didn’t have any impact on the songs you listed like Domino and CFTS. They don’t sound like songs written by Katy. They sound like songs produced by Dr. Luke and/or Max Martin, who also happen to have worked with Katy.

The GP has commented that they sound like Katy Perry, not like Max Martin   Katy def made a pop sound and many artists still get compared to it. There's a difference between a 1999 Britney Spears- Max Martin sound, 2008 Kelly Clarkson- Max Martin sound, 2010 Katy Perry-  Max Martin sound and 2019 The Weeknd- Max Martin sound. Katy made it her own. 

 

4 minutes ago, collin said:

She was a generic placeholder popstar. There’s a reason she plummeted hard and fast while her contemporaries did not.

Disrespectful.  She's far from generic and most of the new girls don't even come CLOSE to her level of charisma. Katy will be remembered forever for her camp, for her bright colors, for her empowerment, for her bravery of singing about kissing a girl, showing most of her body, and supporting LGBT+ people in 2008-2010 when no one but Lady Gaga did that.  She's come a long way and deserves more respect than just talking about her as if she's a Bebe Rexha type of faceless pop singer. Ffs. 

[Laura Palmer]

1989 impacted on me more, so voted for that. 

[PopKills]

1 hour ago, collin said:

What are some other examples? Genuinely curious.

Some examples:

 

Troye Sivan’s Bloom, YUNGBLOOD’s Cotton Candy, Coldplay’s Stars Full Of Sky, BTS’ Dynamite were all confirmed by the artists or writers to be inspired by Teenage Dream or songs from it. Most times the lyrics were actually mentioned as influence just in case the Dr. Luke/MM argument is being brought up again. (In case of Dynamite Firework was cited as inspiration which did not have either of Luke’s or Martins involvement). 

 

 

 

[collin]

4 minutes ago, halcyonday said:

The GP has commented that they sound like Katy Perry, not like Max Martin   Katy def made a pop sound and many artists still get compared to it. There's a difference between a 1999 Britney Spears- Max Martin sound, 2008 Kelly Clarkson- Max Martin sound, 2010 Katy Perry-  Max Martin sound and 2019 The Weeknd- Max Martin sound. Katy made it her own. 

 

Disrespectful.  She's far from generic and most of the new girls don't even come CLOSE to her level of charisma. Katy will be remembered forever for her camp, for her bright colors, for her empowerment, for her bravery of singing about kissing a girl, showing most of her body, and supporting LGBT+ people in 2008-2010 when no one but Lady Gaga did that.  She's come a long way and deserves more respect than just talking about her as if she's a Bebe Rexha type of faceless pop singer. Ffs. 

So now it’s OK to lash out at unproblematic pop girls like Bebe?

 

Yes, she will be remembered for making tacky music for tacky people. Agreed.

[collin]

1 minute ago, PopKills said:

Some examples:

 

Troye Sivan’s Bloom, YUNGBLOOD’s Cotton Candy, Coldplay’s Stars Full Of Sky, BTS’ Dynamite were all confirmed by the artists or writers to be inspired by Teenage Dream or songs from it. Most times the lyrics were actually mentioned as influence just in case the Dr. Luke/MM argument is being brought up again. (In case of Dynamite Firework was cited as inspiration which did not have either of Luke’s or Martins involvement). 

 

 

 

These all suck.  

[QueenBeyoncé]

Successful does not always mean/= impact 

Edited June 26, 2023 by QueenBeyoncé

[PopKills]

12 minutes ago, collin said:

She was a generic placeholder popstar. There’s a reason she plummeted hard and fast while her contemporaries did not.

Also this is against everything people that worked with her said about her because they ALL praised how she’s the one who came up with her video ideas, album concepts, song ideas & lyrics etc.. 

[halcyonday]

1 minute ago, collin said:

So now it’s OK to lash out at unproblematic pop girls like Bebe?

 

Yes, she will be remembered for making tacky music for tacky people. Agreed.

Looks like I struck a nerve. 

 

1 minute ago, collin said:

These all suck.  

You're such a hater and for what?

 

[PopKills]

2 minutes ago, collin said:

These all suck.  

I will leave you with your own wrong opinion (except for Dynamite hihi) but yeah Olivia Rodriguez doesn’t make good music for me either but I can acknowledge Taylor had an impact on her. 

[collin]

Just now, PopKills said:

Also this is against everything people that worked with her said about her because they ALL praised how she’s the one who came up with her video ideas, album concepts, song ideas & lyrics etc.. 

I didn’t say that she didn’t. This is about impact which I don’t think she had a lot of. The examples I’ve seen in this thread are almost entirely generic music trends/songs that nobody cares about, at all. That might qualify as impact but it’s not a very strong case.

[PopKills]

Just now, collin said:

I didn’t say that she didn’t. This is about impact which I don’t think she had a lot of. The examples I’ve seen in this thread are almost entirely generic music trends/songs that nobody cares about, at all. That might qualify as impact but it’s not a very strong case.

Ignoring that A Sky Full Of Stars is literally a 1B steams-classic and Dynamite is just a monster smash everyone and their mother have at least heard, which according to you equals to people not caring about them - what non-generic”(whatever that means anyway) songs that everyone cares about were inspired by 1989 then? Genuinely curious. 
 

[collin]

9 minutes ago, PopKills said:

Ignoring that A Sky Full Of Stars is literally a 1B steams-classic and Dynamite is just a monster smash everyone and their mother have at least heard, which according to you equals to people not caring about them - what non-generic”(whatever that means anyway) songs that everyone cares about were inspired by 1989 then? Genuinely curious. 
 

Neither of them had much noteworthy impact, is what I said. But yes, those are two of the most vapid and generic songs of the last 10 years, and among Coldplay’s worst music, so it’s not exactly an impressive accolade.

Edited June 26, 2023 by collin

[Junipero]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

1989. No one knows what a Teenage Dream is beyond the singles. 

I think the general public in general doesn't know any song off a popular album besides the singles.

[prézli]

Jessie J's Domino is there, so here's your answer.

[Auburn]

57 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Successful does not always/mean = impact 

as shown by most of the 1989 songstress's entire career 

[Cloudy]

Teenage Dream

[FSXP]

I’m not really seeing how either are that impactful. Neither really shifted pop. Both were created to be perfectly commercial and appealing to the massive. If any pop album is that influential last decade, wouldn’t it be Born to Die? 

[Jjang]

Am I the only one who feels neither albums are particularly influential? 

[Smarticle]

I feel like 1988TV would push it over TD

[Solaria]

2 hours ago, collin said:

These all suck.  

The way you guys always move the goalposts from ‘what did it inspire’ to ‘no but these examples suck/I don’t care for them so they don’t count